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Le_Canard
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Aser]
#14356406 - 04/26/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Aser said: Shoplifting hurts a businesses profit margin. A lower profit margin = lower wages for the employees/less employees.
Also, businesses pass the costs onto customers too. Everybody pays for shoplifting.
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Sophistic Radiance
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356437 - 04/26/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Again, I think judging people is just bad in 99.999% of all circumstances. We have judges to deal with that shit.
It's kind of like how most of us would avoid touching garbage, because we have garbage men who deal with it.
(No offense to you composters out there - we all know vegetable matter is NEVER garbage.)
Anyway, I was under the impression artists made most of their real money off tours, and only get royalties from the record sales, most of which go to the suits who coordinate the record release.
So basically, if you're against music piracy, you think that people should be paid their entire lives for a single accomplishment.
Grow up.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356453 - 04/26/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: So I can decide that it is morally correct for you to be my slave? Because even though you think it's wrong I don't? Floating moral codes are neither codes nor moral.
Of course, you can decide your own morals in this free will universe and so can I but I would not want to be your slave.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14356473 - 04/26/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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music piracy only affects the asshats who do nothing for the actual artist, there the ones that market them, the record execs, people who contribute nothing and take everything from the actual talent. The leeches of the industry. Where as pirating music gets the artists sound out their to a far wider range of people who if they really dig them will show up to there shows when they roll through. Which is where they make the real money.
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zappaisgod
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356532 - 04/26/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
And your opinion that you are the final arbiter of whats right and wrong is equally cute.
Well, no, actually. There is a vast body of law developed by millions of people over many years that says he is not the final arbiter but part of the consensus arbiter. They also happen to think you are quite wrong and will hunt you down and jail you if you get caught imposing your moral code since you aren't any kind of arbiter, final or otherwise.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356535 - 04/26/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pirating music only has the effect of somebody somewhere losing out on some money IF you were going to buy it otherwise. If you aren't going to buy it no matter what, than no one loses money when you pirate it. That is as long as you download only and not upload it for somebody who would have paid for it if you did not upload it.
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zappaisgod
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue]
#14356543 - 04/26/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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FractalDust said:
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zappaisgod said: So I can decide that it is morally correct for you to be my slave? Because even though you think it's wrong I don't? Floating moral codes are neither codes nor moral.
Of course, you can decide your own morals in this free will universe and so can I but I would not want to be your slave.
Why should I give a shit what you want since you don't give a shit what other people want, which is the opportunity to sell their creations to you?
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356547 - 04/26/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
There's no inherent right or wrong, everything is a matter of each individuals perspective. Like I mentioned before what you think of as stealing I consider sharing so it's not wrong when I do it but it would be if you or others who share your opinion did it.
So I can decide that it is morally correct for you to be my slave? Because even though you think it's wrong I don't? Floating moral codes are neither codes nor moral.
The only people who need slaves, are the ones who are too lazy to do it themselves, or too greedy to pay someone a fair wage.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356564 - 04/26/11 05:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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stranger_danger said: if ever there was a thread that needed a lock 
Funny how many people say that when the discussion doesn't go their way.
not at all why i think this. i just think theres alot of potential for petty argument and alot of drama in this thread.. peoples opinions have been voiced, y must we argue so much ?
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356567 - 04/26/11 05:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why should I give a shit what you want since you don't give a shit what other people want, which is the opportunity to sell their creations to you?
I would never expect you to give a shit about what I want. When I see a song I want to download I download it so what's stopping you? I'm thinking you're just being silly and don't really believe in slavery but if you do come get it and we'll see what happens.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356586 - 04/26/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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And your opinion that you are the final arbiter of whats right and wrong is equally cute.
Well, no, actually. There is a vast body of law developed by millions of people over many years that says he is not the final arbiter but part of the consensus arbiter. They also happen to think you are quite wrong and will hunt you down and jail you if you get caught imposing your moral code since you aren't any kind of arbiter, final or otherwise.
and if 33% of that canadian consensus deems it ok to pirate digital music/ software then I to have a large body behind my actions and law is not always on the side of the people, most are aware of asinine the drug laws are.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356597 - 04/26/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Zappa was not a god, but a mortal man! (low blow?)
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zappaisgod
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
#14356631 - 04/26/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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psilyguy said: Zappa was not a god, but a mortal man! (low blow?)
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: HippieChick8]
#14356645 - 04/26/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
There's no inherent right or wrong, everything is a matter of each individuals perspective. Like I mentioned before what you think of as stealing I consider sharing so it's not wrong when I do it but it would be if you or others who share your opinion did it.
So I can decide that it is morally correct for you to be my slave? Because even though you think it's wrong I don't? Floating moral codes are neither codes nor moral.
The only people who need slaves, are the ones who are too lazy to do it themselves, or too greedy to pay someone a fair wage.
So who needs to steal the product of other people's labor? People too lazy to earn the wherewithall to buy it. A fair wage is whatever somebody is willing to work for. Duh.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
#14356784 - 04/26/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: A fair wage is whatever somebody is willing to work for. Duh.
Likewise, a fair amount of income taxes is whatever someone is willing to pay.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Le_Canard]
#14356839 - 04/26/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't touch this with a 40 foot pole because I aint the greenest round here anymore, and stealing is always a hot topic.
But I will say that while I have little sympathy for those who are caught shoplifting, I also have no sympathy for mega-corporations that disproportionately advantage middlemen while foreign grunts live in destitution funding their Lord's Lamborghini antics.
Steal from a mom & pop or individual, and I might even turn you in.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue]
#14356935 - 04/26/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
There's no inherent right or wrong, everything is a matter of each individuals perspective. Like I mentioned before what you think of as stealing I consider sharing so it's not wrong when I do it but it would be if you or others who share your opinion did it.
How surprising that the legal system disagrees.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356939 - 04/26/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do you aagree with the drug laws?
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shakedown
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356945 - 04/26/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shoplift from walmart as much as you can! stack them gps's high and run mothafucka! down with that evil place
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356959 - 04/26/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: on average 59.9% of internet users around the world pirate software, I cant find a stat for music but im sure if you threw that into the mix that number would rise dramatically. Take into account all the people that get there ipods filled by there friends and the ones that have pirated at least once in there lifetime and that number could easily be 75%
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
Get with the times, most people are internet thieves, we dont wanna pay for your shit if we dont have to. try to jail all 3 billion of us. Judgemental people are in the same league as scumbag thieves, there pieces of shit who like branding people so they can hold themselves above others when were all equal and any sense of right or wrong is only a trendy notion brought about by the current situation.
Ah. So your statistic was pulled from that dark cavity commonly referred to as an asshole. Well, at least you admitted it. I'll be sure to view your 59.9% claim with all the respect I gave your earlier claim.
Your suggestion that because many do it, it is OK... is cute. Delusional, but cute.
It's not my place to jail anyone. There's nothing of mine on the internet worth stealing.
3 billion? Another sphincter number. At least you're good at those.
Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
And your opinion that you are the final arbiter of whats right and wrong is equally cute.
Except I'm not the final arbiter. It's not my opinion that I am. The legal system is. Seeing as their opinion is the one that in the end, actually matters, it's irrelevant what your opinion is.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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