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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Happy2fly]
#14355871 - 04/26/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I try not to judge. People who shoplift have their own reasons I don't look down on them nor do I give a fuck. They're taking the risk so it's up to them what they want to do. They probably get a rush from it or maybe they want something they can't afford so they pay for it with risk.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 2
#14355887 - 04/26/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I wouldnt call piracy theft, Its a unavoidable aspect of going digital.
Not at all. It is the unavoidable effect of (not all apply to all thieving scumbags): poor parenting lack of values lack of morals exaggerated sense of entitlement laziness
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14355900 - 04/26/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol downloading/uploading media is sharing not theft.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
#14355916 - 04/26/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: Cute picture and all, but you're still taking profits out of the hands of the people who made the software, or made the music, or the movie or whatever. It affects everyone involved in those professions, not just the artists themselves.
I get the logic behind this argument, but you're taking something speculative (future profits) as something concrete, as though the profits were already theirs. The problem with this kind of thinking becomes clear if one applies it to competition. If a business has an initial monopoly on a product, but then a competitor comes along and sells it for less, are they "stealing" profits from the former company? The analogy is reinforced by considering that intellectual property is basically a state-mandated monopoly.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue] 1
#14355938 - 04/26/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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FractalDust said: Lol downloading/uploading media is sharing not theft.
Right. The act of downloading or uploading is not automatically theft.
If the data you are DL'ing or UL'ing is offered for free by the creator of that data (or by the assignees), it is not theft.
If it is data that the artist offers for sale, and you then "procure" it, you are a thief.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14355944 - 04/26/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I wouldnt call piracy theft, Its a unavoidable aspect of going digital.
Not at all. It is the unavoidable effect of (not all apply to all thieving scumbags): poor parenting lack of values lack of morals exaggerated sense of entitlement laziness

I guess over 75% of everyone on the North American Continent, is a lying thieving sack of shit who deserves to have his hands amputated with a dull chainsaw. In your crystal clear view of the world. When you take the rules of a economic system and apply them to a virtual world where everyone is anonymous and the duplication of 1's and 0's is as simple as two clicks on the mouse theres gonna be a almost unanimous refusal to play by the rules of a game whos rules simply do not mesh with the basis of the playing field. Which is why freeware is starting to become the norm with programs already.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14355954 - 04/26/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: If it is data that the artist offers for sale, and you then "procure" it, you are a thief.
Well since you don't pirate stuff you'll be alright with that opinion but I do pirate stuff and I call it sharing so we're both all good.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14355965 - 04/26/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: I wouldnt call piracy theft, Its a unavoidable aspect of going digital.
Not at all. It is the unavoidable effect of (not all apply to all thieving scumbags): poor parenting lack of values lack of morals exaggerated sense of entitlement laziness

I guess over 75% of everyone on the North American Continent, is a lying thieving sack of shit who deserves to have his hands amputated with a dull chainsaw. In your crystal clear view of the world. When you take the rules of a economic system and apply them to a virtual world where everyone is anonymous and the duplication of 1's and 0's is as simple as two clicks on the mouse theres gonna be a almost unanimous refusal to play by the rules of a game whos rules simply do not mesh with the basis of the playing field. Which is why freeware is starting to become the norm with programs already.
You can provide a link showing that 75% of the North American continent has committed piracy? Really?
I anxiously await the link to your source.
If you can't find that then please link us to data showing this "unanimous" refusal to pay.
The rules mesh fine. It's the thieves that delude themselves.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue]
#14355981 - 04/26/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: If it is data that the artist offers for sale, and you then "procure" it, you are a thief.
Well since you don't pirate stuff you'll be alright with that opinion but I do pirate stuff and I call it sharing so we're both all good. 
Not even close.
You admit you are a thief. I am not.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14355988 - 04/26/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: If it is data that the artist offers for sale, and you then "procure" it, you are a thief.
Well since you don't pirate stuff you'll be alright with that opinion but I do pirate stuff and I call it sharing so we're both all good. 
Not even close.
You admit you are a thief. I am not.
I admitted to sharing not stealing.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue]
#14355992 - 04/26/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: owls]
#14355996 - 04/26/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I try not to judge.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14356041 - 04/26/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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stranger_danger said: i steal from corporations and shit... wallmart etc
i would never do something like that to a privately owned business
fuck corporations.
walmart is privately owned, mom & pop stores are corporations
the way I see it, if you steal, you steal and I cant trust you at all, thieves tend to be liars, you say you only steal from walmart and corporations but how do I know you arent lying, most others that make the claim lied, they'd steal my ipod, my TV or anything else they think they could get away with, if they see it and like it, they'll get it
fuck a thief

Nothins better than the free .99 discount.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356043 - 04/26/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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on average 59.9% of internet users around the world pirate software, I cant find a stat for music but im sure if you threw that into the mix that number would rise dramatically. Take into account all the people that get there ipods filled by there friends and the ones that have pirated at least once in there lifetime and that number could easily be 75%
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
Get with the times, most people are internet thieves, we dont wanna pay for your shit if we dont have to. try to jail all 3 billion of us. Judgemental people are in the same league as scumbag thieves, there pieces of shit who like branding people so they can hold themselves above others when were all equal and any sense of right or wrong is only a trendy notion brought about by the current situation.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356059 - 04/26/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I once saw my friend stealing a bottle of extra-strength robitussin from Lucky's, and he was like 22 at the time.
I don't hold it against him, but I chose to purchase my own bottle that night.
Some people are in a better position than others to afford stupid bullshit... that goes for the customer AND for the retailer.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: owls]
#14356300 - 04/26/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't shoplift. And I especially don't need any of the cheap, plastic, toxic Chinese garbage that is sold at Wal-Mart. But if y'all want to take frtom Wal-Mart, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14356305 - 04/26/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: on average 59.9% of internet users around the world pirate software, I cant find a stat for music but im sure if you threw that into the mix that number would rise dramatically. Take into account all the people that get there ipods filled by there friends and the ones that have pirated at least once in there lifetime and that number could easily be 75%
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
Get with the times, most people are internet thieves, we dont wanna pay for your shit if we dont have to. try to jail all 3 billion of us. Judgemental people are in the same league as scumbag thieves, there pieces of shit who like branding people so they can hold themselves above others when were all equal and any sense of right or wrong is only a trendy notion brought about by the current situation.
Ah. So your statistic was pulled from that dark cavity commonly referred to as an asshole. Well, at least you admitted it. I'll be sure to view your 59.9% claim with all the respect I gave your earlier claim.
Your suggestion that because many do it, it is OK... is cute. Delusional, but cute.
It's not my place to jail anyone. There's nothing of mine on the internet worth stealing.
3 billion? Another sphincter number. At least you're good at those.
Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356362 - 04/26/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
There's no inherent right or wrong, everything is a matter of each individuals perspective. Like I mentioned before what you think of as stealing I consider sharing so it's not wrong when I do it but it would be if you or others who share your opinion did it.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: muistrue]
#14356400 - 04/26/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
There's no inherent right or wrong, everything is a matter of each individuals perspective. Like I mentioned before what you think of as stealing I consider sharing so it's not wrong when I do it but it would be if you or others who share your opinion did it.
So I can decide that it is morally correct for you to be my slave? Because even though you think it's wrong I don't? Floating moral codes are neither codes nor moral.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14356402 - 04/26/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: on average 59.9% of internet users around the world pirate software, I cant find a stat for music but im sure if you threw that into the mix that number would rise dramatically. Take into account all the people that get there ipods filled by there friends and the ones that have pirated at least once in there lifetime and that number could easily be 75%
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
Get with the times, most people are internet thieves, we dont wanna pay for your shit if we dont have to. try to jail all 3 billion of us. Judgemental people are in the same league as scumbag thieves, there pieces of shit who like branding people so they can hold themselves above others when were all equal and any sense of right or wrong is only a trendy notion brought about by the current situation.
Ah. So your statistic was pulled from that dark cavity commonly referred to as an asshole. Well, at least you admitted it. I'll be sure to view your 59.9% claim with all the respect I gave your earlier claim.
Your suggestion that because many do it, it is OK... is cute. Delusional, but cute.
It's not my place to jail anyone. There's nothing of mine on the internet worth stealing.
3 billion? Another sphincter number. At least you're good at those.
Judgmental? Sometimes. When you know the difference between right and wrong, it's easy to spot the sleazebags.
And your opinion that you are the final arbiter of whats right and wrong is equally cute.
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