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Undercover sluts.
    #14356145 - 04/26/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You ever come across these type of girls, the ones that try their hardest to make themselves look sweet and innocent but deep down they're dirty sluts?
Maybe it's just some sort of phase or something, i don't know, i'd like some input from girls that are like this or know girls like this.

What's going throug their heads?
Why can't they just be straightforward and honest and tell you they've been with a lot of guys and you're probably just another fling.
Why do they try to come off as something they're not and
play fucked up games with people?:confused:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14356169 - 04/26/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My ex-fiancée :ugh:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14356213 - 04/26/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Eh, i guess it's good you didn't marry her.:shrug:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14356217 - 04/26/11 04:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I met a girl like that once, she was a cheerleader.  She would be like, " I am totally not a slut.  I like to study the bible and I love the lord."
Everyone in the campus knew she was a jizz-slobber.
The reason they do it, in my view, is because they want to avoid the social stigma.
Deep, deep, deep down they are cock-crazed, and have a mania for getting rammed.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: DungeonMaster] * 1
    #14356234 - 04/26/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its their 'game'

its how they get laid.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: rackem]
    #14356284 - 04/26/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I am going to pretend to be a man-slut, so I can get laid.  Will this work? :gayvirgin:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: DungeonMaster]
    #14356299 - 04/26/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you have it reversed man.. you gotta pretend to be innocent so you can be a man slut


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: rackem]
    #14356330 - 04/26/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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its their 'game'

its how they get laid.



I have to disagree with this.
All the girls i've come across that are like this are all pretty hot.
Which leads to a different question: Do hot girls really even need "game"?
They get approached frequently, i'm sure they could have a line of douchebags to pick from on a good night.

I don't think the "they're just trying to get laid" explanation works, i think they're just a little fucked in the head.:shrug:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14356347 - 04/26/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yes but acting innocent definatly is a lot safer in most social situations than a female flaunting her sluttyness


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: rackem]
    #14356375 - 04/26/11 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but i'm talking about when you start to develop a closer relationship and they keep piling on bullshit on top of bullshit instead of opening up about how they really are.

If a girl tells me she's a slut, i'm okay with that, that's great news..it just sucks when they keep insisting they're not while signs and other things show that they are.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14356388 - 04/26/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when getting closer i think thats usually the time they stick to it thick or thin cause they fell like they have to uphold that front


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: rackem]
    #14356601 - 04/26/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think we need an undercover slut or ex-undercover slut to come in here and clear things up for us.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14356652 - 04/26/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yes.. 2 guys speculating based on privious experiences just isnt enough.. we need valid proof in black and white :lol:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14357209 - 04/26/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My ex-fiancée :ugh:




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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: DungeonMaster] * 4
    #14357575 - 04/26/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I met a girl like that once, she was a cheerleader.  She would be like, " I am totally not a slut.  I like to study the bible and I love the lord."
Everyone in the campus knew she was a jizz-slobber.
The reason they do it, in my view, is because they want to avoid the social stigma.
Deep, deep, deep down they are cock-crazed, and have a mania for getting rammed.





hey, guess what, all straight females are cock-crazed and have a mania for getting rammed.  yeah, get over it, girls love sex just as much as dudes do.  GROW THE FUCK UP and deal with it.

some are just better at others at repressing their urges or saying the right things to appear pure and angelic to the misogynistic douche bags that proliferate in our society.

OP - what can I say, people do not know how to communicate healthily in relationships.  it leads to a lot of confusion and frustration for everyone involved.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14357809 - 04/26/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dude yeaaaa undercover sluts. Ive fucked a few of them. I thought they were like innocent as shit. and then the bitch is jus letting me take her clothes off and fuck her the first night :aliendance:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: dshow]
    #14361233 - 04/27/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

being an undercover slut is more fun, i mean personally i really dont try to appeal aesthetically to men, I dont wear makeup or particularly flattering clothes... i think you can communicate more flirtatious sexual energy from your eyes than from anything else.

Its always expected that girls who dress in a slutty way will be sluts, so when you dress kindof androgynously and non-sexually you'll surprise your partner in bed when you are incredibly open-minded.

maybe im misinterpreting your use of the word "slut" as sexually confident...do you mean "slut" as in had alot of partners?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: shroomnymph]
    #14361301 - 04/27/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Slut as in must have sex with whoever is nearby.

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OP - what can I say, people do not know how to communicate healthily in relationships.  it leads to a lot of confusion and frustration for everyone involved.



You got that right.
I took this class while on probabtion and supposedly only 2 or 4% of the population knows how to effectively communicate.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14361329 - 04/27/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've had sex with quite a few people, and I'm always honest about it when asked, but guys always freak out if a girl has had sex with more people than them.  Just because I like sex doesn't mean that I want nothing but flings and one night stands.  In fact, I went through a good number of them with hope that there would be some great connection and we'd end up in a relationship.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: BadAssPterodactyl]
    #14361355 - 04/27/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't freak out if a girl is HONEST with me, i can handle it.
Wtf is wrong with the poeple that can't?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14361443 - 04/27/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

well because most girls are afraid of getting judged, afraid you won't like them anymore if they tell you the truth.  i'd love to hear more details abut the situation you're in right now.  did you just find out that the girl you're seeing has been with more dudes than you though, and thus decided that she's a slut who only wants a fling?

or did you think she wanted more and found out she only wants a fling and decide that she's a slut?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14361501 - 04/27/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I met a girl like that once, she was a cheerleader.  She would be like, " I am totally not a slut.  I like to study the bible and I love the lord."
Everyone in the campus knew she was a jizz-slobber.
The reason they do it, in my view, is because they want to avoid the social stigma.
Deep, deep, deep down they are cock-crazed, and have a mania for getting rammed.





hey, guess what, all straight females are cock-crazed and have a mania for getting rammed.  yeah, get over it, girls love sex just as much as dudes do.  GROW THE FUCK UP and deal with it.

some are just better at others at repressing their urges or saying the right things to appear pure and angelic to the misogynistic douche bags that proliferate in our society.

OP - what can I say, people do not know how to communicate healthily in relationships.  it leads to a lot of confusion and frustration for everyone involved.





I acknowledge that heterosexual woman crave the peen, but I said MANIA in order to differentiate slutty behavior from typical behavior.  :thumbup:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14361755 - 04/27/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well i'm not in that situation currently, this happened with some girl a while ago.

When we'd talk the girl would always say things like "oh no, i'm innocent..i'm a delicate butterfly blah blah blah."
And for the fake persona she built up around me it was believable.
But then i'd see how she acted around other guys, especially when she was drunk, and i got word straight from one guys mouth about how easyily he fucked her.
I mean, i didn't think the girl was an angel for one second, the only thing was she tried really hard to convince me (or everyone) that she was.
She couldn't even give me a straight answer when i asked her what the craziest thing she has done was.:shrug:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #14362218 - 04/27/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All of my exes have been undercover freaks (not sluts, 3/4 of them over the past 5 years have been virgins). But then they start over thinking the sex and cut me off, so it causes unnecessary tension and then I break it off because idgaf.


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    #14362241 - 04/27/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think anyone knows the answer to the question of why people act the way they do. We might have hints and clues but no one can truly get into the human mind and figure it out completely.

For a girl that is promiscuous but wants desperately to be perceived as a good girl it could any number of things. It could be mental illness(previous abuse, bi-polar disorder, etc), self esteem issues(wanting to appear as a good person so badly they trick themselves into thinking it is true), or just being a devious person that enjoys mind games. 

More importantly it is hardly just girls that act like this.  Guys have all kinds of hang-ups about sex and relationships and guys are even more likely to hide something like that from everyone(especially girls).  I know a guy that has been in 3 serious relationships with girls, gotten to the point of making them his fiance, and usually a few weeks before they're to get married the fiance catches him with his pants down with some random girl.  He knows he can't control himself, but he keeps pretending it'll work out and starts getting serious with another girl. 

People don't ever make sense, except to themselves(sometimes).


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Halsfield]
    #14362616 - 04/27/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid: And thus, the best solution to a person you dislike is to simply remove them from your life.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Joolz]
    #14362724 - 04/27/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My ex was a nasty dirty slut, but she tried to act like she wasn't, she'd even get preachy and shit about her status as not being slutty.  I hope someone gives her the HIV.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Halsfield]
    #14363251 - 04/27/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think anyone knows the answer to the question of why people act the way they do. We might have hints and clues but no one can truly get into the human mind and figure it out completely.

For a girl that is promiscuous but wants desperately to be perceived as a good girl it could any number of things. It could be mental illness(previous abuse, bi-polar disorder, etc), self esteem issues(wanting to appear as a good person so badly they trick themselves into thinking it is true), or just being a devious person that enjoys mind games. 

More importantly it is hardly just girls that act like this.  Guys have all kinds of hang-ups about sex and relationships and guys are even more likely to hide something like that from everyone(especially girls).  I know a guy that has been in 3 serious relationships with girls, gotten to the point of making them his fiance, and usually a few weeks before they're to get married the fiance catches him with his pants down with some random girl.  He knows he can't control himself, but he keeps pretending it'll work out and starts getting serious with another girl. 

People don't ever make sense, except to themselves(sometimes).





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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14363908 - 04/27/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yo i knew this chick that got wasted off her fucking ass all the time. like crazy wasted. and every party we went  to. she fucked a different guy. were talking 8 guys a month. i even fucked her. but that was years before she got too ooo dirty.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14364993 - 04/28/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Joolz said:
:whathesaid: And thus, the best solution to a person you dislike is to simply remove them from your life.



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qft




Thanks, but you guys have posted some great stuff in here too. :thumbup:

And I definitely agree Joolz. Life is too short to spend it dealing with people like that.

On the one hand it tears me up inside to see girls out there that are so broken inside that they think sexual attention from men is just as good(or even the same) as love. On the other hand I can't save everyone from their own personal darkness.  Sometimes we have to let them go and hope they can find a way out and back into the light.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Halsfield]
    #14365131 - 04/28/11 03:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My last ex had nailed around 26 or 27 guys, from what she told me. She said she wasn't a slut since she was dating them, but I'm pretty sure her idea of dating was "a date." I didn't give a shit, because she didn't fuck around on me, she didn't give me any diseases, and she was genuinely a cool person.

Fill those criteria and you could be in the hundreds and I wouldn't care. I'm not dating the number of guys a girl fucked, I'm dating the girl. If she's mentally stable, healthy and cool, she's met my criteria.

I know this always get brought up, but a girl who fucks 20 guys is a slut. A guy who fucks 20 girls is a hero. None of that ever made sense to me.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14365500 - 04/28/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My last ex had nailed around 26 or 27 guys, from what she told me. She said she wasn't a slut since she was dating them, but I'm pretty sure her idea of dating was "a date." I didn't give a shit, because she didn't fuck around on me, she didn't give me any diseases, and she was genuinely a cool person.

Fill those criteria and you could be in the hundreds and I wouldn't care. I'm not dating the number of guys a girl fucked, I'm dating the girl. If she's mentally stable, healthy and cool, she's met my criteria.

I know this always get brought up, but a girl who fucks 20 guys is a slut. A guy who fucks 20 girls is a hero. None of that ever made sense to me.




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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14366268 - 04/28/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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My last ex had nailed around 26 or 27 guys, from what she told me. She said she wasn't a slut since she was dating them, but I'm pretty sure her idea of dating was "a date." I didn't give a shit, because she didn't fuck around on me, she didn't give me any diseases, and she was genuinely a cool person.

Fill those criteria and you could be in the hundreds and I wouldn't care. I'm not dating the number of guys a girl fucked, I'm dating the girl. If she's mentally stable, healthy and cool, she's met my criteria.

I know this always get brought up, but a girl who fucks 20 guys is a slut. A guy who fucks 20 girls is a hero. None of that ever made sense to me.





me neither.  it's nice to be reminded that there are dudes out there who get it.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14367298 - 04/28/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's not like the dicks are inside me.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14367381 - 04/28/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

there was a guy last year, who judged me SO harshly because of the number of guys i'd been with in my early 20's, which is when all my slut-tasticness went down.  after that i was in serious relationships for like 4 years and since the last one ended two years ago I can count on both hands the number of guys i've slept with.  this guy thought that my "number" indicated that i was a slut who was never to be trusted.  it was a slap in the face to get judged for being open & honest, but i don't give a shit, i tell it like it is and if someone doesn't like it, that's their own insecurity talking, and buh-bye now.  i know that the guy for me is not going to judge me based on what i did 8 years ago, he'll love me for who i am here and now.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: yogabunny]
    #14367400 - 04/28/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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i know that the guy for me is not going to judge me based on what i did 8 years ago, he'll love me for who i am here and now.




If you think about it, it's a pretty good way to weed out the worthless ones. I'm sorry, once you get to your late twenties/early thirties, it just becomes irrelevant what you did sexually. Maybe it used to matter to me, I can't remember, but I really do think it's part of growing up.


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    #14367559 - 04/28/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

when I sleep with the womyns and I get to asking them how many I ask if they want me to beat any of them up...i figure it is polite

i like a loose woman...especially one that drinks and reminds me of a whorehouse in the old west


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    #14367601 - 04/28/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I love undercover sluts. I pretty much play the 'Oh, you're a slut? Yeahhh, not interested but I'm down to kick it'

Usually works. :mypleasure:


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #20500971 - 08/31/14 09:17 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Prolly don't realise they're doing it. Ppl lie to themselves a lot. The projection is what they want to be, but can't because slag.


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    #20503763 - 08/31/14 10:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

My friend's girlfriend was like this and everyone but him recognized it.


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    #20503916 - 08/31/14 10:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

It goes both ways. Except dudes act like they want a relationship. I don't care how many men a woman has been with, it is irrelevant to me. Though it does bug the hell out of me when I get asked, especially right after sex.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: guywiththegun]
    #20504130 - 08/31/14 11:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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My last ex had nailed around 26 or 27 guys, from what she told me. She said she wasn't a slut since she was dating them, but I'm pretty sure her idea of dating was "a date." I didn't give a shit, because she didn't fuck around on me, she didn't give me any diseases, and she was genuinely a cool person.




Depending on how old you are, 26 or 27 guys is nothing. I mean, how on earth could you possibly NOT have fucked 30 people by the time you're 30? If you actually calculate the numbers between how many years since the age you started dating (assuming you started dating at age 15), it comes out to like only 2 people per year! That's one fuck for every 6 months! You know what I call that? "A slow-ass winter."

IMO if you don't have at least 30 fucks by age 30, there might be something wrong with you. You're unwanted, have some kind of weird penis issue like erectile dysfunction, you were in a serious relationship that went nowhere for WAY too long, or you were a late virgin, etc…

Okay so that last comment might not be totally true, but just saying… 30 fucks by age 30 is totally normal, in fact it's about AVERAGE. Especially for women, their numbers are ALWAYS guaranteed going to be higher than men, since they can get it so much easier, and men are generally pushier when it comes to wanting sex.

An attractive 25 year old woman who tells you she's only had 2-3 fucks is fucking LYING. I for one, would like to meet that hot, 25-year old woman and personally shake her hand, because it's that fucking rare.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have that few fucks, UNLESS she meets the following criteria:
-She's been married since age 18 and only just recently divorced, or
-Had a baby with her high school or college boyfriend and got too busy raising the baby for a dating life, or
-Is some fundamentalist extremist religious person, or
-has some pelvic or mental or substance abuse disorder that prevents her from enjoying sex, or
-literally lives in the middle of nowhere in some bumfuck rural area and is so secluded she doesn't see anybody except her alcoholic brothers and cousins. And even then I'm sure pretty sure she's had incest with her brothers and cousins. :lol:

But unless she meets any of the following criteria, it's seriously just not possible to get away in life with that few fucks. For normal, single, adult women who live in the civilized world, it's just not fucking possible to keep our numbers in the single digits once you reach a certain age. I mean just think about it for a second.

You don't even have to be some wild bar slut that had a ton of 1-night stands to rack up 30 sexual partners by age 30. Like, part of dating is finding somebody who shares the same sexual chemistry as you. So how the fuck is a single girl supposed to find out what kind of sexual chemistry they share with a potential partner if she never even slept with him?

It's very, very possible and normal behavior for EVERY single girl out there, to date 5 different men within the span of 6-12 months, only to find out that she ended up not sharing any chemistry (or anything else in common, such as life goals or personality) with any of them and had to break it off. Now multiply those 5 dating/sex partners with only FIVE years of being single, and you already have 25 partners of life experience under your belt.


Personally, I would be more worried about the girls and guys that jump from serious relationship to serious relationship and don't ever feel "complete" without a girlfriend or boyfriend. Because realistically, that's the only way you can keep your numbers that low by age 30, is if you jump immediately into long, serious relationships right after a breakup way too quick, and way too fast.

My best girl friend in college and my last serious ex was like that, they both never felt "complete" just being truly single, and always rushed into serious relationships because they felt "empty" without a partner. People like that suffer from co-dependcy and tons of insecurity and other mental issues. My best friend in college was also bipolar as hell, and I'm honestly surprised to hear she is engaged now, considering the insane temper tantrums that she still has. But who knows, maybe he's just as crazy as her and their fights are just a form of foreplay.

I wonder what these guys who hate "sluts" are going to do when they start getting in their 30's and 40's, and actually start dating older women in their 30's and 40's who've actually dated around and been around the block. Are they just perpetually going to keep dating and selecting from a younger and younger pool of women just to compensate for their self-esteem about his girl's purity?

Is that what happens, is that why middle-aged men suddenly start going after teenagers? And here I always thought it was a mid-life crisis that caused such a thing. :lol:


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    #20505587 - 09/01/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I wonder what these guys who hate "sluts" are going to do when they start getting in their 30's and 40's, and actually start dating older women in their 30's and 40's who've actually dated around and been around the block. Are they just perpetually going to keep dating and selecting from a younger and younger pool of women just to compensate for their self-esteem about his girl's purity?

Is that what happens, is that why middle-aged men suddenly start going after teenagers? And here I always thought it was a mid-life crisis that caused such a thing. :lol:



Considering thoughts is a confirmed pedophile that sounds about right.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20505630 - 09/01/14 11:20 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Depending on how old you are, 26 or 27 guys is nothing. I mean, how on earth could you possibly NOT have fucked 30 people by the time you're 30? If you actually calculate the numbers between how many years since the age you started dating (assuming you started dating at age 15), it comes out to like only 2 people per year! That's one fuck for every 6 months! You know what I call that? "A slow-ass winter."

IMO if you don't have at least 30 fucks by age 30, there might be something wrong with you. You're unwanted, have some kind of weird penis issue like erectile dysfunction, you were in a serious relationship that went nowhere for WAY too long, or you were a late virgin, etc…



Uh...the average number of sex partners in a person's life is 4 for women and 7 for men.  As for me, I had been with 3 women by the time I'd turned 30, though that number is up to 11 by now.  While late virginity or early marriage might be factors that reduce the number of one's sexual partners, it could just as easily be due to having a couple long-term relationships and not having a preference for casual sex.  So...I'm glad that you've having your fun, but don't you dare try to judge others by those standards.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20505786 - 09/01/14 11:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I had hundreds of fucks before I was 30 but it wasn't with hundreds of people.  There's also this


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20506087 - 09/01/14 01:12 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Uh...the average number of sex partners in a person's life is 4 for women and 7 for men.  As for me, I had been with 3 women by the time I'd turned 30, though that number is up to 11 by now.  While late virginity or early marriage might be factors that reduce the number of one's sexual partners, it could just as easily be due to having a couple long-term relationships and not having a preference for casual sex.  So...I'm glad that you've having your fun, but don't you dare try to judge others by those standards.




No offense, but you really really can't rely on polls, because people LIE all the fucking time. The males are lying because they don't want to come across as douchebags, and the women are lying because they don't want to come across as a slut. Instead, when somebody asks their number, they're counting their "boyfriends" and "girlfriends."

If some random stranger called me up claiming to be the UCLA Medical Center and asked me how many partners I've slept with, I wouldn't say "uhhh ballpark, maybe somewhere from 70 to 100," I'd lie my ass off, I'd just fucking lie and say, "Like around 10-15." I even LIE when I go to get my annual gynecological exam, I never tell the medical clinic, "Uh yeah I think I fucked somewhere around 7 this year," I always just say, "1. It's just me and my boyfriend." (Who is obviously imaginary and doesn't exist.)

I equate it to a poll asking about cheating, the probability is likely much higher for women to lie, since women don't want to admit to cheating as much as men, due to the social stigma.

I mean, I've actually lied in a university study my own self. When I was 17, I was asked by the UCI Medical Center to be in a teen poll statistical study about drug usage. They wanted to know what kind of drugs I had ever done by my age. I only ever admitted to doing marijuana, which was a fucking LIE, I had done TONS OF SHIT including meth, pills, ecstasy, Vicodin, and mescaline by then.

Also, your link said the "average" was 4 for women and 7 for men. Which means that realistically, it was anywhere from 0 (the insane pure virgin girl who's saving herself for marriage, which apparently is high in rural areas), to somewhere around 15.

Besides, how on earth are those statistics possible, if according to Table 6,

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90% of men and 86% of women have had sex in the past year
27% of men and 19% of women have had oral sex in the past year




Are 90% of men and 86% of women ALL in relationships? No, I didn't think so.

This is a better demographic:

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23% of non-married men reported they have never had sex in the past year, 25% reported only a few times in the past year, 26% reported a few times in the past month, 19% reported 2-3 times a week, and 7% reported 4 or more times a week (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
32% of non-married women reported they have never had sex in the past year, 23% reported only a few times in the past year, 24% reported a few times in the past month, 15% reported 2-3 times a week, and 5% reported 4 or more times a week (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).




I'm particularly interested in the 25% of men and 23% of women who only reported a "few times a year." A few times a year indicates that they are not in a serious relationship, and probably had that sex with different partners. So, how on earth are these non-married men and women having sex a few times a year, and it adding up to only 4 or 7 partners by age 30? It seems these stats somewhat contradict each other.

Also, my post was primarily directed towards young, ATTRACTIVE people, primarily. Because conventionally attractive people can get laid very very easily. Of course there's always the fat, ugly outcast that nobody desires and will probably die a virgin.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20506129 - 09/01/14 01:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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No offense, but you really really can't rely on polls, because people LIE all the fucking time.



No offense, but that's a bullshit argument.  Yes, a certain percentage of people will lie about it.  But with enough data, you can compensate for those errors in reporting.  If women say they've been with 4 guys, it may actually be more like 5 or 6, but it doesn't mean 25.  And if you're going to accuse people of lying, why isn't the number for guys higher?  Presumably guys would have incentive to exaggerate the number of women they've been with, so why only 7?  According to your unscientific analysis, that's a rather low number.  Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that people are more likely to tell the truth when they're filling out an anonymous survey and no one will be able to tell it's them.  It seems your objections arise from your incredulity that anyone could possibly have a less voracious sexual appetite than you have.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20506215 - 09/01/14 01:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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No offense, but that's a bullshit argument.  Yes, a certain percentage of people will lie about it.  But with enough data, you can compensate for those errors in reporting.  If women say they've been with 4 guys, it may actually be more like 5 or 6, but it doesn't mean 25.  And if you're going to accuse people of lying, why isn't the number for guys higher?  Presumably guys would have incentive to exaggerate the number of women they've been with, so why only 7?  According to your unscientific analysis, that's a rather low number.  Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that people are more likely to tell the truth when they're filling out an anonymous survey and no one will be able to tell it's them.




Exactly. It totally depends on how the survey is done. Whether it's a survey done in person, or over the phone, or filling out a form on a piece of paper or the internet anonymously makes a HUGE difference. Mine was done over the phone, which is why I lied to UCI Medical Center. My gynecological exams are in person, which is why I lie.

Considering 1/3rd of America's population is obese, it does make sense that the numbers would be that low for some people. Some people just can't get laid. Some people have no game.

Other people live in rural areas, where they don't have access to pussy or dick as much. I remember once when my guy friends and I took a trip to Arizona, 1 of the guys logged into PoF on his mobile phone, and laughed about how there were literally only 4 women within 25 miles of this radius, and how they all looked like crackheads. Where I come from, if you log into POF, you get hundreds and maybe even thousands of possible matches within 25 miles of you.

But seriously… ANYBODY who has lived in a college dorm will easily attest to racking up 4-7+ partners within 1-2 semesters. I mean, how can you NOT? A bunch of hormone-pumped guys living with hormone-wild girls, frat boys and sorority sisters coming over to party all the time, and then theres SPRING BREAK which we all know what that leads to, so of course sex is going to fucking happen! That's what happens when you put a bunch of 18 year olds together in the same house.

You never also responded to my response earlier about a different stat on that page:

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I'm particularly interested in the 25% of men and 23% of women who only reported a "few times a year" within the past year. A few times a year indicates that most of them are not in a serious relationship, and probably had that sex with different partners. So, how on earth are these non-married men and women having sex a few times a year, and it adding up to only 4 or 7 partners by age 30? It seems these stats somewhat contradict each other.




You know what I would really like to see? I would really like to see the regional demographics on this, because I guarantee you people who live in or near metropolis cities are having way more sex than rural people who live out in the boondocks. I'm talking small towns where everybody knows your name and shit. Your choices are fucking limited if you live in that type of town, unless you want to be known as "the whore who slept with every single dude in town." Which, let's face it, small towns are the majority of America.

As a matter of fact, I think that's precisely what I said in my previous quote:

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For normal, single, adult women who live in the civilized world, it's just not fucking possible to keep our numbers in the single digits once you reach a certain age.




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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20506225 - 09/01/14 01:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah CG, I was wondering as well: did you lie in anonymous polls and surveys? I guess surveys about those kinds of subjects are usually anonymous, if they expect to get truthful results and try to be really scientific. So why the hell would you lie in anonymous polls? One can't be sure, but given there's no reason at all to lie when things are anonymous, one would expect the percentage of fake responses to be fairly low.

Edit: Oops, I'm late.

Regarding ugly people, CG, I bet it never occurred to you that there are ugly men AND women, and that by the nature of things they're bound to be less picky than you are. So you can safely assume fat and ugly people do it with one another, which again raises the average lays by so much :o)


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Aldous]
    #20506253 - 09/01/14 01:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah CG, I was wondering as well: did you lie in anonymous polls and surveys? I guess surveys about those kinds of subjects are usually anonymous, if they expect to get truthful results and try to be really scientific. So why the hell would you lie in anonymous polls? One can't be sure, but given there's no reason at all to lie when things are anonymous, one would expect the percentage of fake responses to be fairly low.




I lied because I was in high school at the time, and I was paranoid that it was my high school pretending to be UCI Medical Center trying to extract information from me. Because they did that to us once like 4 years before that, they claimed they were taking an "anonymous survey" and wanted everybody to write down the information on an "anonymous piece of paper" what drugs they had done.

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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20506259 - 09/01/14 01:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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But seriously… ANYBODY who has lived in a college dorm will easily attest to racking up 4-7+ partners within 1-2 semesters. I mean, how can you NOT? A bunch of hormone-pumped guys living with hormone-wild girls, frat boys and sorority sisters coming over to party all the time, and then theres SPRING BREAK which we all know what that leads to, so of course sex is going to fucking happen! That's what happens when you put a bunch of 18 year olds together in the same house.



My total was 3 over the entirety of my college years.  It's not that uncommon.  Believe it or not, not everyone goes to Cancun for spring break to get smashed and have orgies.  Not everyone joins a frat or sorority.  Not everyone hits it off with every attractive person their age they come across.  You obviously are the kind of person who enjoys that kind of debauchery, but it's not for everyone.  MTV is not an accurate representation of what college is like for most people.  For some of us, it's mostly just studying, socializing, and the occasional fling.  You seem to be committed to the belief that every guy and girl out there has the same outgoing personality and relentless sex drive as you, and that's just not the case.


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    #20506266 - 09/01/14 01:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Regarding ugly people, CG, I bet it never occurred to you that there are ugly men AND women, and that by the nature of things they're bound to be less picky than you are. So you can safely assume fat and ugly people do it with one another, which again raises the average lays by so much :o)




Yeah, that's true. Gary and Amber from Teen Mom are perfect examples. Or Honey Boo Boo's mom and Sugar Bear.

However, these couples both have children, so it is understandable that the number of people that they fucked has been low.



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    #20506333 - 09/01/14 02:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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My total was 3 over the entirety of my college years.  It's not that uncommon.  Believe it or not, not everyone goes to Cancun for spring break to get smashed and have orgies.  Not everyone joins a frat or sorority.  Not everyone hits it off with every attractive person their age they come across.  You obviously are the kind of person who enjoys that kind of debauchery, but it's not for everyone.  MTV is not an accurate representation of what college is like for most people.  For some of us, it's mostly just studying, socializing, and the occasional fling.  You seem to be committed to the belief that every guy and girl out there has the same outgoing personality and relentless sex drive as you, and that's just not the case.




I never said it was like that for guys. I was talking about a specific demographic. Which is single, adult women living in metropolis cities or counties.

And yes, I did go to Lake Havasu for Spring Break. I didn't have sex with a bunch of people though, because I took my boyfriend with me at the time. Dormitories and frat parties were different stories entirely, however. And I wasn't in a sorority either, but pretty much any cute girl will get mass invites to frat parties. A lot of people in my college went to Havasu, or partied at nightclubs, or went to Monster Massive, or TAO back when raves were still good.

Maybe I just went to a party college, I don't know. We don't exactly have the reputation that REAL party colleges have like Hawaii Uni or Chico State, so I can't even imagine what the debauchery and sex statistics are like out there.

I don't believe that every single girl or guy out there is like that. We all have different personalities.

However, my REAL point is that 30 partners for 30-year old women is frankly, not even that high of a number. It's nowhere near the "slut-zone," which is what this thread is about. I mean these guys in their 20's and teens freak out about girls having partners in the double-digits, which is insane!

I am simply trying to give them more information by showing them a different perspective. About what it is like to be a single woman living in a metropolis city. You just can't not rack up numbers, if you're actually putting yourself out there and actively dating.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20506348 - 09/01/14 02:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I understand you wanting to destigmatize women who've had a lot of partners.  I agree with that goal.  But you don't do that by turning around and stigmatizing those who haven't had that many by insinuating that something's wrong with them.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20506501 - 09/01/14 02:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I understand you wanting to destigmatize women who've had a lot of partners.  I agree with that goal.  But you don't do that by turning around and stigmatizing those who haven't had that many by insinuating that something's wrong with them.




That was more of a joke, if you read my statement:

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IMO if you don't have at least 30 fucks by age 30, there might be something wrong with you. You're unwanted, have some kind of weird penis issue like erectile dysfunction, you were in a serious relationship that went nowhere for WAY too long, or you were a late virgin, etc…

Okay so that last comment might not be totally true, but just saying… 30 fucks by age 30 is totally normal,




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    #20506652 - 09/01/14 03:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Some people are open to having new partners at a higher frequency than others; among both sexes, you will find examples the span the gamete.  The population is diverse enough to find someone that has a similar promiscuity level to your own, if you even care about that sort of thing.  The real interesting thing about this thread is everyone is resorting to a derogatory slanderous word like "slut" when they refer to someone that they perceive as having more partners than themselves, almost without exception, even Crystal G refereed to a "Slut Zone" like that's a an achievable number..

If you don't want to date someone with a number of partners you deem inappropriate than don't.  Pretty simple.

If your having trouble with people telling you the truth about their sexual history than stop coming off as a judgmental asshole and fewer people will be scared to be honest with you, removing the word "slut" from your every day vocabulary is a good place to start.


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    #20508717 - 09/01/14 11:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Some people are open to having new partners at a higher frequency than others; among both sexes, you will find examples the span the gamete.  The population is diverse enough to find someone that has a similar promiscuity level to your own, if you even care about that sort of thing.  The real interesting thing about this thread is everyone is resorting to a derogatory slanderous word like "slut" when they refer to someone that they perceive as having more partners than themselves, almost without exception, even Crystal G refereed to a "Slut Zone" like that's a an achievable number..




I think guys feel insecure about being having a girlfriend who's more experienced than them. They just know they are that much harder to please in bed. :lol:

It is pretty bizarre though, especially when you include the fact that a lot of guys have things for MILFs and older women. Why on earth do high school boys consider it "hot" to be with an older woman, especially knowing that older women are going to have been around the block more times than them? If you are into maturity, why even care about the number of sex partners?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20508745 - 09/01/14 11:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you should be proud of that honestly it just gave me the impression my friend like to use people after the 3rd or 4th time it happened


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    #20508771 - 09/01/14 11:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I think guys feel insecure about being having a girlfriend who's more experienced than them. They just know they are that much harder to please in bed. :lol:

It is pretty bizarre though, especially when you include the fact that a lot of guys have things for MILFs and older women. Why on earth do high school boys consider it "hot" to be with an older woman, especially knowing that older women are going to have been around the block more times than them? If you are into maturity, why even care about the number of sex partners?



There's the MILF fetish, but there's also the teen, "barely legal" fetish.  I think guys who have a need for purity tend to go for the latter.  Personally, I've been with more women who were older than me than ones who are younger than me, but I think a lot of guys are afraid of that.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Silversoul]
    #20510872 - 09/02/14 04:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a chick who can't even count if she's in double or triple digits trying to convince you slutiness (of either sex) isn't a bad thing. There's a reason why those women end up still single in their 30's.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium]
    #20511090 - 09/02/14 04:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a chick who can't even count if she's in double or triple digits trying to convince you slutiness (of either sex) isn't a bad thing. There's a reason why those women end up still single in their 30's.



What's wrong with being single in your 30s?  I'm single and in my 30s, and if I got married in my 20s, I wouldn't have been with half the women I've dated.  There's nothing wrong with promiscuity, as long as you use protection.  And it's perfectly possible to have had multiple sexual partners and still be able to commit to a relationship.  Sometimes people like to mess around a lot when they're single, but when they find someone they do want to be in a relationship with, they're perfectly willing to commit.  That's how it's been for me, anyway.  I find I have a much easier time getting laid than I do finding someone who I consider to be relationship material.  So while I actually prefer being in a relationship, I won't settle down with just anyone.  And in the meantime, I like to have a little fun.  There's nothing wrong with women doing the same.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20511138 - 09/02/14 05:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Some people are open to having new partners at a higher frequency than others; among both sexes, you will find examples the span the gamete.  The population is diverse enough to find someone that has a similar promiscuity level to your own, if you even care about that sort of thing.  The real interesting thing about this thread is everyone is resorting to a derogatory slanderous word like "slut" when they refer to someone that they perceive as having more partners than themselves, almost without exception, even Crystal G refereed to a "Slut Zone" like that's a an achievable number..




I think guys feel insecure about being having a girlfriend who's more experienced than them. They just know they are that much harder to please in bed. :lol:




No they aren't.  They are easier to please because they know what they like and they aint shy.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20511179 - 09/02/14 05:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Why can't a girl just stay with 1 or 7 people.


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    #20511227 - 09/02/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I got no problem with it


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20511235 - 09/02/14 05:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You would if you lived with 6 women.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: BadAssPterodactyl]
    #20511422 - 09/02/14 06:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah my girlfriend has been with her fair share, many more than I care to ever have sex with. She was upfront about it when we first got together though. For me the main worry I have about being with people like this is STD's and how loyal the person who has been around is, like am I just another dude added to her stack. Other than that it doesn't get to me at all.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Konyap]
    #20511448 - 09/02/14 06:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You would if you lived with 6 women.



I'm not that crazy but if i did live with six women I would probably become crazy in short order


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20511469 - 09/02/14 06:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Either crazy or gay.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium] * 1
    #20511589 - 09/02/14 07:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Here's a chick who can't even count if she's in double or triple digits trying to convince you slutiness (of either sex) isn't a bad thing. There's a reason why those women end up still single in their 30's.




Hey, there goes the guy who tried so desperately to prove his heterosexuality in the other thread, who's obviously still seemingly insecure about women who are "loud and proud."

FYI, if I accurately recall your past posts, YOU'RE fucking 30, in fact you're older than ME and have never been married your OWN self, and apparently JUST starting college, so :lolsy: , good one trying to criticize others for their "late starts in life." Seems you're a late bloomer in just about everything.

That's another thing. Why is it considered pathetic if a woman is single at a certain age, but not considered pathetic for men? Women CHOOSE to be single, much like men choose it. I CHOOSE to be motherless and unmarried. I do it because I don't want to SETTLE. I'd much rather be single than settle for somebody who's WAY too religious, WAY too fat, WAY too stupid, WAY too old, WAY too unsuccessful, WAY too talkative, WAY too judgmental, etc.

In other words, if I'd rather be single or marry you, I'd choose being single for all of eternity in a heartbeat.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20511856 - 09/02/14 08:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:  I find it hard to believe that those simple criteria are unmeetable.  Then again, you live in California.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20511868 - 09/02/14 08:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20512206 - 09/02/14 10:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Jamesdnh said:
Here's a chick who can't even count if she's in double or triple digits trying to convince you slutiness (of either sex) isn't a bad thing. There's a reason why those women end up still single in their 30's.




Hey, there goes the guy who tried so desperately to prove his heterosexuality in the other thread, who's obviously still seemingly insecure about women who are "loud and proud."

FYI, if I accurately recall your past posts, YOU'RE fucking 30, in fact you're older than ME and have never been married your OWN self, and apparently JUST starting college, so :lolsy: , good one trying to criticize others for their "late starts in life." Seems you're a late bloomer in just about everything.

That's another thing. Why is it considered pathetic if a woman is single at a certain age, but not considered pathetic for men? Women CHOOSE to be single, much like men choose it. I CHOOSE to be motherless and unmarried. I do it because I don't want to SETTLE. I'd much rather be single than settle for somebody who's WAY too religious, WAY too fat, WAY too stupid, WAY too old, WAY too unsuccessful, WAY too talkative, WAY too judgmental, etc.

In other words, if I'd rather be single or marry you, I'd choose being single for all of eternity in a heartbeat.



What? I'm 19 in my junior year of college.I wouldn't settle for much less either, which is why you haven't seen me go from relationship to relationship or fucking for the sake of fucking. Though it was hard I've focused on myself for a bit and find a girl I care for.

I just don't understand why it's considered normal to fuck around looking for love when you know all the love gets left in the condom.

Of course you can be 30 and single by choice but the vast majority of people would rather be spending that time securing a loving partner than still acting like they're in highschool or college.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: duff monkey]
    #20512214 - 09/02/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Women pretty much revolve around beauty men pride

if a woman isn't married by 28 then well that's the mans fault for being such a flaming metrosexual dickhead


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    #20512248 - 09/02/14 10:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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I just don't understand why it's considered normal to fuck around looking for love when you know all the love gets left in the condom.



You're pretty new to this whole "sex" thing, aren't you?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium] * 1
    #20512562 - 09/03/14 12:29 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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What? I'm 19 in my junior year of college.I wouldn't settle for much less either, which is why you haven't seen me go from relationship to relationship or fucking for the sake of fucking. Though it was hard I've focused on myself for a bit and find a girl I care for.

I just don't understand why it's considered normal to fuck around looking for love when you know all the love gets left in the condom.

Of course you can be 30 and single by choice but the vast majority of people would rather be spending that time securing a loving partner than still acting like they're in highschool or college.




Okay, well now your post makes sense. You're 19, and like all typical 19 year olds, dumb as a rock when it comes to knowing jack shit about life and love.

No wonder you're still so optimistic, what fucking 19 year old ISN'T optimistic about love? The main reason they're so optimistic is because you're too young to have learned the real life lessons from dating all different varieties of people. You don't even have real WORK experience, for crying out loud!

See, you're at the age where you haven't even LIVED with a partner. You don't even KNOW what fucking living with somebody is like. Let me tell you something: It's not as great as you think it is. You think it'll be fucking GREAT, until you actually do it and then months pass. Only then, do you realize how much your partner really gets on your nerves, and shit gets annoying and goes down the hill pretty fucking fast. You're going to be having fights over small shit pretty much every day.

That's what marriage is, you know. Living with somebody for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. So if you pick somebody at age 30 that ends up really sucking later on down the road, your two choices are: You have to put up with their shit for the next FIFTY years, OR you can spend half your paycheck on a really expensive divorce. Or you can stay separated, but if you choose this option, it's bye-bye dating life, since no girl wants to date a "separated from wife" guy. So you better fucking THINK instead of rushing into marriage so quick, because that's what results in shitty chaos later on.

Shit man, when I was your age, I was so optimistic (dumb really, is the word for it, I was so fucking dumb), that I thought I would be married with 2 kids and own my own house and dog by my age TWENTY-FIVE. AND--here's the real kicker--SOMEHOW, I thought I was going to be able to do all that while being Vice President or being Director of Marketing or having this wicked awesome career or some shit. :lol: Apparently I was so dumb I didn't take in to account inflation, or the collapse of the economy, or the fact that pretty much every guy who ever wanted to marry me would be somebody I could NOT see myself with forever.

Do I want to marry a guy who's already fat and just going to keep getting even fatter? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who goes to church and believes in creationism and wants us to teach our kids creationist science? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's already starting to go bald at age 30 (and has no plans of using Rogaine)? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who never graduated college? No. (I'm sorry to you non-degree people out there, but I just don't. I am very particular with my standards. If you made a success out of yourself in other ways, good for you.)
Do I want to marry a guy who's still attending school at age 30? Ummmm no, unless he's going for a PhD or a master's, he has no excuse for being in school at that age.
Do I want to marry a guy who's is perpetually a failure in life and unsuccessful at everything he does? No.
Do I want to marry a guy with anger problems? Not just no. HELL no!!!!
Do I want to marry a guy who's ever had a felony or misdemeanor on his record? No.
Do I ever want to marry a guy who's in the military and is all screwed up mentally from coming back from Afghanistan? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's an alcoholic? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's bad in bed and has erectile dysfunction? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who wants me to be a stay-at-home wife and cook and clean for him? No.
Do I want to be with an overly controlling and jealous guy? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's been previously divorced once, twice, or three times? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's had previous children? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's unsophisticated and uncultured and doesn't know anything about anything? No.

See, these are all the types of guys that wanted to marry me and be with me "forever." As you can see, it's not very difficult to see why I bolted and tiptoed around the entire situation, and thought I could do better. If I married them, then I would have just been "settling." And settling in your 20's is fucking stupid, you're still in your youth, what are you doing wasting it on this guy when you can get something way better? Settling is for when you're in your 40's and ready to throw in the fucking towel. :lol:

You see, there's ALL sorts of factors that come in to play when it comes to finding a mate, factors that your puny little 19 year old brain hasn't even BEGUN to recognize, due to your lack of experience. You think that love and compatibility is easy to find with just anybody, it's fucking not. There's a whole list of criteria that you and them need to meet in order for shit to work out.

And I've found that for career women, it's practically impossible to find time to fit a husband and kids in their schedule, let alone a boyfriend. This is something that you will realize as you get older--what is more important to you: self-success and self-reliance, or just being average and being married? Most people in the United States are somewhere around average success and live mediocre lives. There are many others that are married with children, but are struggling financially. I don't want to be one of them. Do you?

Sure, some people can have both, but only a very small percentage (like 1%) of Americans can achieve both (including success and marriage) at that level. And guess where most of that success comes from? It's mostly going to be coming from YOU, since MALES are typically the primary breadwinner.

Life is not about finding a fucking partner and breeding. Our world is fucking overpopulated with fat idiots because of people with YOUR type of thinking. Life is about doing what makes YOU happy. Time is [too fucking short to adhere to society's standard and obligations of you. If I know myself, and if I KNOW that I don't see a future with this person that I'm dating, why on earth would I agree to commit to spending the rest of my life with them together? Do you know what kind of irrational and insane thinking that is?

So why would I commit to that when I already know what's coming? See, in order to be single, you have to be an optimistic. You have to be fucking stupid, basically, and believe only good things will happen to you. In what fucking universe have only good things ever happened to ANYBODY?


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: thoughts]
    #20512609 - 09/03/14 12:46 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Just thought I'd chime in for the underdog and say that I love sluts....
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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20512640 - 09/03/14 12:56 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Do I want to marry a guy who's unsophisticated and uncultured and doesn't know anything about anything? No.





Man oh man. I can tell you so many stories about guys that have met the criteria that I posted, but I'll just post my most recent one. Totally unrelated to this thread but I'm going to talk about it anyway.

The last guy I dated was the Christian creationist. Took the Bible literally word for word, believed the world was created 4,000 years ago, all that shit.

Believe it or not he was so uncultured, he didn't even know who Monet was, didn't know a single thing about politics despite his loud-mouthed opinions on ISIS (and clearly he was formulating his opinions word-for-word based on what his preacher probably told him in Bible study), he didn't know a single thing about other countries or cultures (even his own culture, Bulgaria, fuck even I knew way more about Sophia and Bulgaria than he did), and he didn't even know who Kurt Vonnegut or Hemingway was.

The guy had absolutely nothing intelligent to talk about, he was just a funny and outgoing guy, and that was the only common denominator that we shared with each other. Our families were also very different in terms of background, education levels, and socioeconomic levels. He was a very likable and optimistic and friendly guy, and if he wasn't so overly religious or ignorant, and if he was in shape a little bit more and started taking Rogaine, I might have actually considered marrying him. But for where he was at, I just did not consider him marriage material.

This is why I have the "bachelor's degree" minimum now (I never used to have that minimum before I dated him), because those without a bachelor's typically tend to be ignorant of certain topics such as politics, economics, the arts, books, etc. I'm not saying ALL of course, but it seems the ones in SoCal tend to be like that.

And people who are uneducated tend to be swayed and brainwashed easily by groups spewing ignorance and ridiculousness such as the MRA or extremist religious groups. And it's because they haven't learned the logical thinking that is required in a college-level education in order to analyze and critique the material that is in front of them. They don't question it and figure out the facts for themselves, they just accept the material in front of them to be the blatant truth.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20512643 - 09/03/14 12:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

that sucks


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20512755 - 09/03/14 01:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You don't know me, my ideas, or what people think of me but to put it into perspective, I am by no means believing life is to only procreate. Well actually, I do. I mean if it wasn't, none of us would be here. Be thankful that's all past generations did. I think the world is fucked up because people like you thigh, which seem to think it's better to remove everyone that is incompatible and start over with your vision of the world. I've always thought it was better to influence the most people I can, not just talk shit about the weak (obese, mentally instable etc). It seems you're more jaded where I am more optimistic, but I'm not optimistic in love in that I hope to find a wife. I'm optimistic in love that my interactions now will positively change who I come in contact with now so in the future they may spread that same love back. And I used to leave all my feelings in the condom as a stupid freshman at 17. Learned it's better not to use people as things though.

I've known people with master's degrees to be just as arrogant as you claim none college educated folk to be. I've known highschool kids to run circles around teachers. And in fact, in my community college I just saw two years of people listening to what the professor said as truth. I usually call then out to a "I don't know" response. A piece of paper that says you had the ability to pay a crazy amount doesn't imply you have the ability to process information though people extrapolate and infer incorrectly.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium]
    #20512836 - 09/03/14 02:39 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I shoulda kept that pathetic fetus and worked at mcDonalds

I'd probably be happier by now


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium] * 1
    #20512992 - 09/03/14 03:42 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You don't know me, my ideas




How interesting is it that you judge somebody who has many sexual partners then. Do you know me, or my ideas?

Just saying, if you're going to start shit and slut-shame somebody else for HAVING SEX (as if it's something immoral), then you'd better believe that I'm going to assault you and your ideas.

And yes, you're fucking 19. ALL 18-19 year olds are the fucking same. Even if you aren't a dumb illiterate teenybopper who watches the Kardashians and listen to Justin Bieber, the fact of the matter remains is that you're still INEXPERIENCED in life and love.

Unless you grew up in the hood raised by abusive parents, and ran away from home at age 12 and survived completely on your own, you have literally NO ROOM to talk about "life experience."

You are a fucking KID compared to me. You probably still have that teenage baby-face. I wouldn't even date a 19 year old anymore, because they lack several things, the most common being lack of maturity, lack of a world beyond their own self-absorbed selves, and lack of life and love experience. And their brain aren't even anywhere close to full maturity at that age, not to mention they're pumped full of teenage hormones, so they have a tendency to get angry or bitchy or annoyed really easily. They tend to be more impulsive, more judgmental of others, while at the same time lacking judgment in key areas.

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Well actually, I do. I mean if it wasn't, none of us would be here. Be thankful that's all past generations did. I think the world is fucked up because people like you thigh, which seem to think it's better to remove everyone that is incompatible and start over with your vision of the world.




People like you are too young to understand, that in the 1950's, only TWO billion people on this world existed. Now, it's 7 billion people. If we keep promoting this "nuclear family" bullshit, we are going to kill ourselves, literally. All the seafood will be fished out the sea, all wildlife will be killed to expand agriculture and residential areas. 50 years from now most American cities are going to be like the equivalent of New York City--one stinking pile of garbage and litter, real estate will die and people will only be able to live in outrageously over-priced apartments.

The world will be so overpopulated in the next few decades, primarily due to backwards-ass people thinking that getting married and having their own ugly, dumb children are the most important things in the world.

But of course no, a woman in her 30's being single--THAT is the real tragedy here, right? :lolsy:

That's exactly what I mean. Typical 19 year old thought process. You even think like a 19 year old.

The imprint you leave in society is far, FAR more important than having children or getting married. Nietzsche, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Liszt, Mozart, Bach, Andy Warhol, Mother Theresa, Komako Kimura… do you think any of them are remembered for their marital partners or for their kids? No, they are remembered for their WORK. Frankly, I don't even know about, or care if any of them had kids, because it's fucking irrelevant. Hell, Newton died a fucking virgin. But he was a LEGEND.

The only kid who is remembered is one of Bach's children, out of the 30-something that he had, because he was the only one out of his family that was a true musical prodigy as well. The only kids who people even know about are Hemingway's children, and that is only because they wrote a memoir and biography of what his father was REALLY like. In other words, nobody would have known about them or given a shit about them if it wasn't for their father's fame.

Nietzsche, by the way, died a schizophrenic homeless man with gonorrhea on the streets. Mozart was so penniless and debt when he died, he was buried in a deep grave with 100 other nameless people. He didn't even become famous until after death.

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I've always thought it was better to influence the most people I can, not just talk shit about the weak (obese, mentally instable etc). It seems you're more jaded where I am more optimistic, but I'm not optimistic in love in that I hope to find a wife. I'm optimistic in love that my interactions now will positively change who I come in contact with now so in the future they may spread that same love back. And I used to leave all my feelings in the condom as a stupid freshman at 17. Learned it's better not to use people as things though.




I am way too jaded for my age, I'll admit. :lol: The funny thing is, I'm actually an optimist and happy person IRL. I'm really only jaded online, because you can't say this kind of shit IRL. It's like a comedian talking about how shitty his life is, it's like a personal relief for me. For the most part, all my boyfriends treated me well, I never had a truly bad experience in love. When shit happens, I always find a way to turn it into something better. I'm open to love, but for now I'd rather be single and focus on my career.

My career is more important than any man. Because if I gave up a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and me and that man don't work out, I'm going to regret it. He would have wasted my time for nothing. So I will be ready, but in my own time, after I've achieved where I want to be.

The thing is…. you expect to be married in your 30's, but I can guarantee you, life almost never, EVER works out how you planned it 10 years in the future. Life has taken me to some weird places, some awful, and some awesome, and life always has a surprising lurking for you no matter how WELL-planned you have your life.

I've been around for quite a while longer than you, and I've seen it first-hand myself happen to a BUNCH of people. This is the list of shit that I have actually seen, witnessed, or experienced personally in my life:

-People getting pregnant by accident while they're only 18-20 and are in college or only have a diploma and have no money whatsoever.
-You could be in a car accident that leaves you severely injured or paralyzed for 6-24 months or longer.
-you could buy a house only to get laid off from work 6 months later
-Your husband or wife could suddenly die and leave you with a huge mortgage because you didn't have life insurance
-The economy could collapse (again)
-You could develop a medical illness and have to file bankruptcy due to not being able to pay your medical bills
-Your family member or best friend could die suddenly and you might spiral into a deep depression
-You could get hooked on drugs or alcohol
-You could graduate with $200,000 student loan debt and find yourself unable to find any decent-paying job afterwards
-You yourself could die in your 20's, etc… etc…

These examples are all REAL LIFE SHIT that has happened to friends of mine over the years. Any number of things can happen, and to simply feel like you can control and plan every outlet of your life 10-20 years ahead of time, to me, is a symbol of a young mind. A mind that does not have much life experience.

Let me tell you an interesting story. Two of the smartest kids in my high school, one was a boy and one was a girl. The boy got a perfect score on his SAT's, was accepted to Harvard and got a full scholarship at Cornell. He chose the full-scholarship. He now works at the same private school he graduated from as a high school teacher.

The other girl got a 4.3 GPA and a 1500 on her SAT score (this was back when SAT scores were out of 1600, not 2400), and got a full-scholarship to UC Berkeley (a top 10 school in the USA). A couple years later, she got disillusioned with life and society, and dropped out to become a masseuse. A fucking MASSEUSE!!!

I was like, "DUDE!!!! If I had your BRAIN do you know what I would be DOING with my life???!!?!?" It's almost like a slap in the face to us average folks.

You really just never know how life works out, life is very interesting from what I've seen, and leads many brilliant minds to different paths. Mozart and Nietzsche are great historical examples of life never working out the way it was intended, even if they had truly brilliant mind.

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I've known people with master's degrees to be just as arrogant as you claim none college educated folk to be. I've known highschool kids to run circles around teachers.




I never claimed uneducated people were arrogant. I said they were ignorant, unsophisticated, and uncultured (as a broad generalization). The only person I've met who didn't meet this criteria was a guy who didn't even graduate high school, he got his GED, and never went to college. But he self-studied a lot of political theory and philosophy, and was far to brilliant for his age. He went to the library, and at age 17 he was reading dissertations and analyzed studies that students of PhD levels study.

I lost in touch with him around 12 years ago (not much of a time difference since you were born), and I wonder what he is now. Maybe he is a professor now. Maybe he is doing nothing like he always was. Such a brilliant mind gone to waste.

Also, arrogance and ignorance are two different things. And arrogance works in the corporate world, because frankly, you HAVE to be aggressive and over-confident in your abilities to make it in the corporate workplace. If I wasn't arrogant and confident as fuck about my abilities, they would just pick somebody else who was way more aggressive than me to do my job.

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And in fact, in my community college I just saw two years of people listening to what the professor said as truth. I usually call then out to a "I don't know" response. A piece of paper that says you had the ability to pay a crazy amount doesn't imply you have the ability to process information though people extrapolate and infer incorrectly.




Well, no offense, but you're at a community college, learning basic undergraduate requirements. You're basically taking Chem/Psych/Bio/Arts 101 whatever classes. You haven't even gotten to the 300 and 400 level classes. I've been to both community college and university, and a university level degree is completely different and much more difficult.

And of course, community college is filed with dumb 18 year olds who are just coming out of authoritarian public schools, so OF COURSE they don't question the professor's words and accept them as facts. Once you actually get INTO a real university, they teach you the critical thinking skills so that you can critique graduate-level work or works published by PhD professors. That is what taught me my real critical thinking skills, was analyzing political theory at university. And at university, there are many people who agree and disagree with the writings in question. Because they've been taught the critical thinking skills necessary to analyze the situation on both sides.

And finally--that PhD professor studied DECADES of his life focusing on one particular subject. So yes, chances are, he knows FAR more about that subject than any of the other student in your class.


Edited by Crystal G (09/03/14 05:57 AM)


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20513819 - 09/03/14 10:31 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You make solid points all around but still lack in others.

Slut-shaming isn't my forte or first love so I don't really know how it works. All I know is that it far more appealing and eye opening to hear someone's opinion about how something is okay from someone who doesn't do said thing. For instance at rallies which want to legalize marijuana, would you rather listen to some guy with a tye dye shirt on holding a bong or someone who doesn't smoke weed yet still supports it? The average person would listen to someone who looks like themselves, not a "slacker" and though I really don't think the goal of life is to GET MARRIED, I have no problem with people "slutting" it up so long as they understand they remove themselves from that (constrained) option in life. It's just the way it is. Passing yourself around is usually an indication of low self worth and is often linked with a slew of mental disorders. Sure it's not always but we live in a society of narcissistic assholes and they're not all diagnosed with it because it's normal. As you said about arrogance "its how you suck that corporate dick better" excuse my French.

The only kid that was remembered was literally every single one of them... By the people who they made contact with. Why do you consider success by earthly riches? Happiness by fame?

Of course life throws curve balls, fucking hard. I don't bitch about what has happened to me, consider myself better or worse than anyone because I went through everything much earlier. Jesus said "you will know them by their works" and though you don't know me and my works, you should quit jumping to conclusions based on the little I have revealed. Only a fool opens their mouth so keenly.

I work with a perfect SAT and ACT dude at Walmart. Guys going nowhere. Sure, he's probably going to land a $400,000 job as an engineer or whatever the fuck, but he's going nowhere. I saw this because he's following the money as the dream. Those were his words, speaking entirely of prestige Embry Riddle (probably spelled it wrong, I never heard of it til I moved around here) has it was almost ridiculous. He spoke down about cheaper institutions and was quite set on making it clear the ASU soccer team average GPA at 3.2 is laughable. As if GPA really accounts for everything out means anything beyond your ability to agree with the teacher and cram Aderall.

Arrogance and ignorance work in the same way when used outside of chasing that chedder. You're not helping a single person when you are either uninformed of anything nor willing to see others as equals with valid opinions. Either way you have effectively removed your ability to help others. Though they are two separate diseases they still infect the mind the same way.

As my love for psychology stems from psychedelics which branches into chemistry in biology, it's interesting to see that a woman with a Masters in neurobiology can tell me what L-Tryptophan is but can't explain why 5htp can't cross the BBB effectively by oral administration. This is a community college where more than half have their PhD in said field. Shit I went to a very prestigious high school. It was quite clear then what is apparent now. A piece of paper doesn't mean much besides the importance you give it.

Crystal G you've always been fiery and hot headed, opposite entirely of me, even after what's happened in my past. That's what drives me, to want to know why I'm so different in a world of people who think about themselves first. It seems you are very capable in all aspects (intellectually, emotionally, etc) including sympathy. But I wonder how your empathy lacks.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Konyap]
    #20513843 - 09/03/14 10:40 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I've fucked some undercover sluts and then I don't talk to them for like a month until I'm horny again then they act all butthurt cause I didn't call them or something. Its like bitch don't fuck me within an hour of our first time hanging out and then expect me to call your ass up the next day to want to hang out.

Damn thinking back maybe I should have called those undercover sluts.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: ganjasmuggler]
    #20513960 - 09/03/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

can't fix crazy unless you put a no fuck zone bumper sticker on every guys dick that comes near your woman


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium]
    #20515267 - 09/03/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Jamesdnh said:
Slut-shaming isn't my forte or first love so I don't really know how it works. All I know is that it far more appealing and eye opening to hear someone's opinion about how something is okay from someone who doesn't do said thing. For instance at rallies which want to legalize marijuana, would you rather listen to some guy with a tye dye shirt on holding a bong or someone who doesn't smoke weed yet still supports it? The average person would listen to someone who looks like themselves, not a "slacker"




In other words, you don't want a stoned homeless slacker supporting legalized marijuana, because it just makes their political views look self-absorbed and for selfish reasons. You'd rather see the clean-cut attorney or politician wearing the suit and tie promoting medical marijuana, which is actually pretty classist of you. That's really what it comes down to--how that person is dressed and carries themselves.

FYI, I have been on suboxone for a year and have had literally NO sex drive this entire year. I don't even masturbate anymore. I'm not the young, bed-hopping, party animal I used to be when I was your age. It's been a slow-ass year, and I've only have had sex with 1 person in the past year. The year before that, I slept with maybe 5-7 guys in that year, and they were guys that I was close friends with, or guys that I was dating (by that I mean genuinely dating, as in, had been on 6-10 dates with before sleeping with them) and was contemplating them as potential romantic partners.

After 1-3 months of being together I was usually the one that broke it off because they fit some of the criteria that I posted above.

1 was a very successful Jew who worked in the marijuana trade. He was an extremely funny guy, always the center of attention at parties, but he was WAY too overweight for his age, had premature ejaculation, couldn't eat pussy for shit, and we had no sexual chemistry whatsoever. He got dumped the day after we had sex on our 10th date. He also smoked and dranked, a quality which I did not appreciate since I was trying to cut those things out of my life. You just can't date a smoker when you're trying to quit, you just can't.

The second was a divorced neurologist and I was having a relationship with. That is, I thought he was divorced, until his wife called one day hysterical and in tears, saying that they weren't divorced at all, and were about to renew their wedding vows. She told me that he has a history of cheating, and apparently sleeps with prostitutes all the time without condoms. I told his wife the entire truth about everything that we've done, he got super irate at me for doing the right thing, we never spoke to each other again, and I got an STD test the very next day (all clean, phew!). I strongly recommended his wife to get a divorce if she's caught him cheating so many times, even though the couple had 3 children.

The third was this super Christian guy, who kept trying to get me to convert Christianity. He was one of those creationist fundamentalists, but I didn't know that immediately off the bat when I met him. When I met him all I knew was that he was already starting to very mildly bald and had a pretty bad beer gut, but had a good personality so I was willing to overlook those flaws. He never went to college but was still decently successful, was manager of a high-volume sales company, and even had his own house on Seal Beach at my age. Originally I thought I could potentially consider him a serious mate, since I didn't know about his religious beliefs at the time.

And although he had the exact same bubbly, funny, and outgoing personality as me, and we got along great because of it, he was really unsophisticated and uncultured and uneducated. He had never listened to classical music in his life, didn't even know who Nietzsche or Marx or Chomsky was, and literally knew nothing about books or politics EXCEPT when it came to ISIS, the Bible and Israel and Palestine were literally the only "quasi-intellectual" topics he could ever comment about. (He was a fundamentalist Christian obviously, and basically just parroted whatever his Bible study partners said). These were minor pet peeves of mine that he wasn't very intelligent, but I figured that dating somebody who was simple-minded wouldn't be that bad as long as he was sweet (which he was).

But…. I found out much later he was an alcoholic, which explains the terrible gut. And I can only talk about him like this, because he apparently dumped his last girlfriend of 5 years for being "too out of shape." :lol: It's like, "Bro, ever look in a mirror lately?" Dude claims to have worked out for 5 years straight, he looked 5x worse than me at my fattest. Even my 65 year old dad doesn't have a gut that bad, a guy who's 29 and has a home gym has literally no excuse to have excess fat in the stomach.

Even though we had good sex and I always came with his dick inside of me, I couldn't bear to bring myself to be committed to him. I don't believe in god, and he constantly just kept trying to push his religion on me. If we ended up together I'd be living a fake lie going to church every Sunday. I don't want to raise dumb kids that are taught to believe in creationism and that the world is 4,000 years old, and that Jesus is coming soon to save us during the apocalypse. Fuck all that noise. So he inevitably got dumped too.

I had casual sex with 3 hot, muscular dudes who were all close friends somewhere before or in-between those guys. I kept it to casual sex because we had nothing in common besides drugs and bodybuilding, and they were all dumb as a bag of rocks and had really stupid "Alpha/bro/douchebag" values.

And as I said before, I'd rather be single than settle. So I just decided to focus on shit that's more important right now--my health, my sobriety, and my career. These are all things that I need myself first before I even begin to include a man in the picture.

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Passing yourself around is usually an indication of low self worth and is often linked with a slew of mental disorders.




No it isn't. :lolsy: Taking selfies of yourself and posting them all the time is an indication of narcissism and low self-worth. Passing yourself around to just ANY guy who turns your way, including the obese and butt-ugly ones, then yea I guess you could make a case for low self-esteem.

But having sex with really hot guys who meet a certain criteria of attractiveness, that's just called having a high sex drive, and treating sex like a competitive sport. There is no "mental disorder" attached to that, it's biological nature and natural instinct to want to have sex with somebody attractive. Isn't it?

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The only kid that was remembered was literally every single one of them... By the people who they made contact with. Why do you consider success by earthly riches? Happiness by fame?




I don't care about fame. I don't want to be famous, because I don't want no paparazzi following me and have every detail of my private life exposed. I also don't care about materialistic goods or brand-name shit. I do however, care about making money because I want to be independent my OWN self without having to rely on a man. I'm not asking for two million dollars. $60K to $100K would be plenty for me to live on, depending on the region I'm living in. The only thing I truly enjoy that costs money is traveling.

I also would like to make a minimum of that much, because I'd like to accumulate a nice savings and prepare for retirement, or possibly to save up for a house, or when it comes time to actually have children. These are things that typical 19 year olds such as yourself never even consider or think about.

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I work with a perfect SAT and ACT dude at Walmart. Guys going nowhere. Sure, he's probably going to land a $400,000 job as an engineer or whatever the fuck, but he's going nowhere. I saw this because he's following the money as the dream. Those were his words, speaking entirely of prestige Embry Riddle (probably spelled it wrong, I never heard of it til I moved around here) has it was almost ridiculous. He spoke down about cheaper institutions and was quite set on making it clear the ASU soccer team average GPA at 3.2 is laughable. As if GPA really accounts for everything out means anything beyond your ability to agree with the teacher and cram Aderall.




GPA doesn't show intelligence. It is a signifier of how hard you worked and what kind of effort you put in school. Hence why many employers do college GPA background checks, is because people who typically tend to do poorly in school tend to have the same pattern of behavior and end up doing poorly at work.

A GPA is actually a pretty good indicator of whether somebody takes their job seriously or not. Take me for example, when I started college 10 years ago, I flunked out in the first year. That was also the same year that I couldn't even hold down the same job for more than 6 months at a time, 1 time I started a job at a burger joint and quit with no phone call after a week. That was my record for shortest job ever. The second after that, was when I worked at a hardware store for a month before being fired for being perpetually late. I was late ALL the time to work, and some days I didn't even show up.

My GPA after I went back to school and finished was all A's and B's. Now I put in my full hours, and spend my days in a productive way. I have never once been late to a work meeting ever since I started taking school seriously.

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A piece of paper doesn't mean much besides the importance you give it.




More young person talk. My sister was a biochem major and never finished her degree. She makes around $20K working at a laboratory. I have a political science degree, a completely unscientific liberal arts degree, and I make way more money than her, I am worth more than her in the labor force, simply because I have a degree and work experience. Had she finished her degree, eve in anything unscientific, I guarantee she could have negotiated for at least double her salary at her workplace.

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Crystal G you've always been fiery and hot headed, opposite entirely of me, even after what's happened in my past. That's what drives me, to want to know why I'm so different in a world of people who think about themselves first. It seems you are very capable in all aspects (intellectually, emotionally, etc) including sympathy. But I wonder how your empathy lacks.




I don't understand what empathy has to do in a conversation where we are talking about whether morals and integrity comes in to the question of women who sleep with a lot of men or not.

And yes, I have more empathy than you. I've given a lot of time and money to charities and worked for non-profits. I've given years of my life helping the non-profits. Can you say the same about yourself?


Edited by Crystal G (09/04/14 01:06 AM)


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20515704 - 09/03/14 05:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:


Do I want to marry a guy who's already fat and just going to keep getting even fatter? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who goes to church and believes in creationism and wants us to teach our kids creationist science? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's already starting to go bald at age 30 (and has no plans of using Rogaine)? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who never graduated college? No. (I'm sorry to you non-degree people out there, but I just don't. I am very particular with my standards. If you made a success out of yourself in other ways, good for you.)
Do I want to marry a guy who's still attending school at age 30? Ummmm no, unless he's going for a PhD or a master's, he has no excuse for being in school at that age.
Do I want to marry a guy who's is perpetually a failure in life and unsuccessful at everything he does? No.
Do I want to marry a guy with anger problems? Not just no. HELL no!!!!
Do I want to marry a guy who's ever had a felony or misdemeanor on his record? No.
Do I ever want to marry a guy who's in the military and is all screwed up mentally from coming back from Afghanistan? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's an alcoholic? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's bad in bed and has erectile dysfunction? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who wants me to be a stay-at-home wife and cook and clean for him? No.
Do I want to be with an overly controlling and jealous guy? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's been previously divorced once, twice, or three times? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's had previous children? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's unsophisticated and uncultured and doesn't know anything about anything? No.






Damn I do not know who the fuck you are meeting but just about all of my friends thirty years ago would have passed that test.  With the possible exception of being good in bed since I never fucked any of them and wouldn't know about that.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20516042 - 09/03/14 07:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Crystal G said:


Do I want to marry a guy who's already fat and just going to keep getting even fatter? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who goes to church and believes in creationism and wants us to teach our kids creationist science? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's already starting to go bald at age 30 (and has no plans of using Rogaine)? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who never graduated college? No. (I'm sorry to you non-degree people out there, but I just don't. I am very particular with my standards. If you made a success out of yourself in other ways, good for you.)
Do I want to marry a guy who's still attending school at age 30? Ummmm no, unless he's going for a PhD or a master's, he has no excuse for being in school at that age.
Do I want to marry a guy who's is perpetually a failure in life and unsuccessful at everything he does? No.
Do I want to marry a guy with anger problems? Not just no. HELL no!!!!
Do I want to marry a guy who's ever had a felony or misdemeanor on his record? No.
Do I ever want to marry a guy who's in the military and is all screwed up mentally from coming back from Afghanistan? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's an alcoholic? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's bad in bed and has erectile dysfunction? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who wants me to be a stay-at-home wife and cook and clean for him? No.
Do I want to be with an overly controlling and jealous guy? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's been previously divorced once, twice, or three times? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's had previous children? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's unsophisticated and uncultured and doesn't know anything about anything? No.






Damn I do not know who the fuck you are meeting but just about all of my friends thirty years ago would have passed that test.  With the possible exception of being good in bed since I never fucked any of them and wouldn't know about that.





#1 How do you know whether somebody has had a felony or misdemeanor in their life?
#2 Also I have high standards, so anybody who's over 15% body fat is pretty close to leaning towards fat. Anything around 20% and above is unacceptable, especially for 20-30 year old guys. If you're in your late 40's or 50's, it's forgivable.
#3 How do you know whether a guy is controlling or jealous or has an anger problem or not? I find that the ways guys interact to their friends is different than from their girlfriends.
#4 By alcoholics I don't mean somebody who drinks every day, I also include anybody who binge drinks regularly, like weekly, to be alcoholics. He ALWAYS wanted to drink after our dates, and when I declined I could tell he was really itching for a drink.
#5 The guy I dated wasn't quite going bald, I actually couldn't tell whether he was going bald or he had a really bad Widow's Peak. It seems like that was the only place he was losing hair.

If it was a widow's peak it was a REALLY BAD widow's peak, it was kinda like this except further back so it made him look like he had a giant forehead. If we had gotten serious I for sure would have put him on the Rogaine and made him lose weight. At 30 you should not have a fucking gut.



Of course it makes sense that you wouldn't know anybody who's unsophisticated and uncultured, considering you come from the MECCA of culture in NYC. Such a hodgepodge of immigrants and people who've travel all over the world in NYC.

No, you'll surprisingly find a lot of people who were raised in poor communities in California who have never once left even California, or ever left America. One of my exes was such a fucking idiot, he went to Europe once when he was in college (when he couldn't afford it on top of that, and had $5K in debt make his credit go bad because he basically loaned money just to go on this trip knowing he couldn't pay it back).

Anyway, he still thought that after coming back from France you were supposed to slice the hard white outer layer off brie because it was "wax." :lol: It's the RIND you fucking idiot, the French think the rind is the best part, what the fuck did you even do and learn in Europe?

This is the same moron that was still 29 and a sophomore in college, because he constantly bragged about how he "changed his major from art, to engineering." He bragged all the time about how he was going to make $80K after graduating, when to actual rich people, that's not even a halfway-decent salary :lol: And you don't even need to make that kind of money to be an engineer.

He constantly kept having to re-take his classes because he couldn't even pass his ALGEBRA classes. :lol: His few engineering classes that he DOES pass, he gets only C's, which he claims "it's like that for everybody because engineering is so hard, nobody gets A's." Bullshit, I've known people with PhD's in engineering from MIT. My first gay ex (the felon) got all A's in his engineering courses and already is now in Purdue.

So there's a strong likelihood he's 30 or 31, and STILL struggling to pass his classes, and probably won't ever graduate. Even if he does graduate, like 10 years would have passed, and he's going to graduate with like $250,000 student loan debt. Good luck paying that with your $80K! (remember, it's $55K after taxes!) :lol:

Ah, life feels good ripping on exes.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20516072 - 09/03/14 07:14 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I started taking math classes two years into my degree and would take 2-4 classes at a time, I've taken about 6 over the course of 3 years. I may not be as smart or quick as the other people, but that's just how long it takes and with the need for extra help, transportation etc I'm 25 and will have another 3 years at least because I have to take biology and some stupid electives. I'm not shaking up at college and my family has been doing their own thing completely oblivious to how much stress they give me when they bitch I'm not taking 5 classes with no car or computer.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20516250 - 09/03/14 08:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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zappaisgod said:
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Crystal G said:


Do I want to marry a guy who's already fat and just going to keep getting even fatter? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who goes to church and believes in creationism and wants us to teach our kids creationist science? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's already starting to go bald at age 30 (and has no plans of using Rogaine)? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who never graduated college? No. (I'm sorry to you non-degree people out there, but I just don't. I am very particular with my standards. If you made a success out of yourself in other ways, good for you.)
Do I want to marry a guy who's still attending school at age 30? Ummmm no, unless he's going for a PhD or a master's, he has no excuse for being in school at that age.
Do I want to marry a guy who's is perpetually a failure in life and unsuccessful at everything he does? No.
Do I want to marry a guy with anger problems? Not just no. HELL no!!!!
Do I want to marry a guy who's ever had a felony or misdemeanor on his record? No.
Do I ever want to marry a guy who's in the military and is all screwed up mentally from coming back from Afghanistan? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's an alcoholic? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's bad in bed and has erectile dysfunction? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who wants me to be a stay-at-home wife and cook and clean for him? No.
Do I want to be with an overly controlling and jealous guy? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's been previously divorced once, twice, or three times? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's had previous children? No.
Do I want to marry a guy who's unsophisticated and uncultured and doesn't know anything about anything? No.






Damn I do not know who the fuck you are meeting but just about all of my friends thirty years ago would have passed that test.  With the possible exception of being good in bed since I never fucked any of them and wouldn't know about that.





#1 How do you know whether somebody has had a felony or misdemeanor in their life?
#2 Also I have high standards, so anybody who's over 15% body fat is pretty close to leaning towards fat. Anything around 20% and above is unacceptable, especially for 20-30 year old guys. If you're in your late 40's or 50's, it's forgivable.
#3 How do you know whether a guy is controlling or jealous or has an anger problem or not? I find that the ways guys interact to their friends is different than from their girlfriends.
#4 By alcoholics I don't mean somebody who drinks every day, I also include anybody who binge drinks regularly, like weekly, to be alcoholics. He ALWAYS wanted to drink after our dates, and when I declined I could tell he was really itching for a drink.
#5 The guy I dated wasn't quite going bald, I actually couldn't tell whether he was going bald or he had a really bad Widow's Peak. It seems like that was the only place he was losing hair.

If it was a widow's peak it was a REALLY BAD widow's peak, it was kinda like this except further back so it made him look like he had a giant forehead. If we had gotten serious I for sure would have put him on the Rogaine and made him lose weight. At 30 you should not have a fucking gut.



Of course it makes sense that you wouldn't know anybody who's unsophisticated and uncultured, considering you come from the MECCA of culture in NYC. Such a hodgepodge of immigrants and people who've travel all over the world in NYC.

No, you'll surprisingly find a lot of people who were raised in poor communities in California who have never once left even California, or ever left America. One of my exes was such a fucking idiot, he went to Europe once when he was in college (when he couldn't afford it on top of that, and had $5K in debt make his credit go bad because he basically loaned money just to go on this trip knowing he couldn't pay it back).

Anyway, he still thought that after coming back from France you were supposed to slice the hard white outer layer off brie because it was "wax." :lol: It's the RIND you fucking idiot, the French think the rind is the best part, what the fuck did you even do and learn in Europe?

This is the same moron that was still 29 and a sophomore in college, because he constantly bragged about how he "changed his major from art, to engineering." He bragged all the time about how he was going to make $80K after graduating, when to actual rich people, that's not even a halfway-decent salary :lol: And you don't even need to make that kind of money to be an engineer.

He constantly kept having to re-take his classes because he couldn't even pass his ALGEBRA classes. :lol: His few engineering classes that he DOES pass, he gets only C's, which he claims "it's like that for everybody because engineering is so hard, nobody gets A's." Bullshit, I've known people with PhD's in engineering from MIT. My first gay ex (the felon) got all A's in his engineering courses and already is now in Purdue.

So there's a strong likelihood he's 30 or 31, and STILL struggling to pass his classes, and probably won't ever graduate. Even if he does graduate, like 10 years would have passed, and he's going to graduate with like $250,000 student loan debt. Good luck paying that with your $80K! (remember, it's $55K after taxes!) :lol:

Ah, life feels good ripping on exes.




You're fixating on one guy.  Get over him.

I know lots of uncultured and unsophisticated people.  I'm in construction honey, I meet all kinds.  And I can enjoy their company.  Which is not to say that I would marry any of them.t

Me and my friends might have failed your alcoholics test but most of us were pretty athletic.  How did I know if my friends did or did not have anger issues or arrests?  Is that a serious question?  Or jealousy issues or control issues or anything else?  They were my friends.  I knew them pretty well.  They still are.  Only one of them succumbed to drink to a deleterious extent.  None of them fucked up with anything else.
I may be an asshole but my friends weren't.  And they were not from NYC.  They were from upstate or Long Island.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20517341 - 09/04/14 12:27 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
You're fixating on one guy.  Get over him.

I know lots of uncultured and unsophisticated people.  I'm in construction honey, I meet all kinds.  And I can enjoy their company.  Which is not to say that I would marry any of them.t

Me and my friends might have failed your alcoholics test but most of us were pretty athletic.  How did I know if my friends did or did not have anger issues or arrests?  Is that a serious question?  Or jealousy issues or control issues or anything else?  They were my friends.  I knew them pretty well.  They still are.  Only one of them succumbed to drink to a deleterious extent.  None of them fucked up with anything else.
I may be an asshole but my friends weren't.  And they were not from NYC.  They were from upstate or Long Island.




I don't know, it just bothers the hell out of me when I meet people who don't even know the difference between Japan and China. One of my exes came from a blue-collar family that didn't know the difference.

They always mentioned their "Chinese friends" around me, as if I was going to magically have something in common with them because they were Chinese. Like, they were completely aloof about this whole history of Japan raping and pillaging China and about how Japanese and Chinese traditionally hate each other because of that.

Also, IDK about the whole "knowing friends" part. I'm one of those people that believes you can never really know somebody's true inner colors. Sometimes people act totally different around their friends than their boyfriends than their family. I'm one of them. It's always the friendly and charming neighbor who turns out to be the serial killer in many cases, I'm just saying.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20518211 - 09/04/14 08:21 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Derogatory or not the definition of a slut is a woman who has had many casual sex partners. If you meet this vague criteria the word applies. The definition of a word can't be changed regardless of its possibly inherent offensive qualities, like so many racial epithets.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Crystal G]
    #20518212 - 09/04/14 08:22 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Empathy is a connection to others around you though you have no true connection to their lives, in your own experience. You basically just confirmed what I said then said I don't understand how it fits.

Regardless the only thing really on topic is the statement that hyper sexuality usually goes along with low self worth and personality disorders. We only diagnose when it is considered a negative to the individual. You've met and been with plenty of undiagnosed people in your past simply by the sheer volume.


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: Atrium]
    #20518979 - 09/04/14 11:45 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Also, IDK about the whole "knowing friends" part. I'm one of those people that believes you can never really know somebody's true inner colors. Sometimes people act totally different around their friends than their boyfriends than their family. I'm one of them. It's always the friendly and charming neighbor who turns out to be the serial killer in many cases, I'm just saying.



maybe its due to the area you live in (SoCal), which tends to be pretty fake overall. But i'm with zappa on this one, I'm more familiar with my close group of friends than i am with my family, and my family already was abnormally close and well adjusted. I have lived in california though and the people there are different, so i can understand why you would feel that way. When you reach the midwest the people change drastically (and not always in the bad ways like you assume).


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Re: Undercover sluts. [Re: psyconaught]
    #20524798 - 09/05/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think a lot of girls want to express their sexually more than they feel comfortable


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