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User714



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Too long in dehydrator? *DELETED* 1
#14354969 - 04/26/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355026 - 04/26/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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was that really the only difference?
Is this friend of yours using an isolated substrain each and every time?
If not, it could be genetics.
In my experience it takes however long it takes to dry them out.
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DJYoshaBYD


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if it was multispore, then yes.. its a gamble.. buuuutttt, that is kinda of a long time, but that temp should be too low to do any damage.. i have boiled them in water to make tea, as well as used them in cooked food (as in cooked them with the food), and never noticed any potency issues..
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14355070 - 04/26/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i put mine in overnight at ~150
also ur growing from spores. arent u
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155*F is a bit high as far as the drying temperature. If your dehydrator is adjustable, tone that down to 95-110, especially if drying for 24+ hours.
Were these all from later a (3rd or 4th) flush, by any chance?
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? *DELETED* [Re: rustycobwebs]
#14355091 - 04/26/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355119 - 04/26/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My point man was if you're NOT using an isolated substrain then you're likely using spores, correct?
this allows for genetic differences, one of which could possibly be a lower or nonexistent potency. Even from the same batch of grain or cakes or in the same spore syringe taken from 1/8 of a spore print, there are different phenotypes in the genetic makeup of the spores.
Different flushes also can produce these different phenotypes as the genetics cycle through dominant and recessive through the tub/cake.
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but in my experience the ones that turn blue upon touch are usually more potent, though im sure there are exceptions to the rule.
If you can get that heat down, that will help remove the risk of heat induced loss of potency.
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355142 - 04/26/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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GrillinFoSho said: It was really the only difference. Not using an isolated substrain. He hasn't ventured into agar yet lol. They turned blue a bit too when bruised, forgot to mention that.
I'm still not buying it. There has to be another reason. If heat caused the dephosphorylation of psilocybin and caused the psilocin to break down, the mushrooms would have been purple or black.
If there's still some left over, don't base potency on one bioassay. See if someone else has the same experience, or have that person try again after at least a week without tripping.
Any medications or herbal supplements that person is taking, how long it's been since they last tripped, what (and how much) they did or didn't have to eat that day, how hydrated they are - there are a LOT of variables that can affect perceived potency.
If ALL of that is the same, then it's probably more along the lines of a bunk substrain - but you should have had more than one substrain fruit from a MS inoculation.
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355147 - 04/26/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They turned blue a bit too when bruised, forgot to mention that.
they all do.. lol.. more or less..
and multispore can make a huuuuggggeee difference.. i have had cakes that were fruiting, and had one cake knock my dick in the dirt, while the other was very mild, and really not good at all..
just start over, use trays or something to separate things.. then, give someone some mushies from tray 1.. write down the experience.. repeat with the next couple trays (or whatever).. get everyones feeling on the strength, etc..
then, which ever ones are the most potent, but also good flushers, are the ones you would want to keep.. clone a good mushy out of the good tray, and noc up a jar.. not as good as isolating, but it does the trick, and will give you a more consistent result..
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? *DELETED* [Re: Sillicybin]
#14355185 - 04/26/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355213 - 04/26/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is nothing wrong with using spores.. you just need to do more than just use spores to start your jars/bags, like isolate or clone, then start with a live mycelium transfer to a grain jar, and use that as a master jar..
its like growing weed from seeds.. just cause you planted 10 seeds, doesnt mean you are going to get 10 plants with buds on them.. some seeds dont sprout, some inherently have inferior genetics, some are males.. that is why people grow from clones.. guaranteed genetics..
apart from genetics and SUPER high heat, thats about it.. substrate will not effect potency.. poo, brf, coir, whatever.. genetics will 99% of the time be the determining factor in potency..
food dehydrators work fine, and do not get hot enough to really do any damage.. real high heat for prolonged periods could probably do some damage, though..
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14355309 - 04/26/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've read time and time again that prolonged heat will eventually reduce potency. I would bet that the stay in the dehydrator had a major impact on the potency.
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PassiveAgressive said: I've read time and time again that prolonged heat will eventually reduce potency. I would bet that the stay in the dehydrator had a major impact on the potency.
yeah.. high heat.. its been proven many times that you can use a heated dehydrator to dry your mushies, with no loss in potency.. i dried a lb of mushies recently with a dehydrator, like usual, and they were just as potent as the fresh ones..
For example, as stated above, you can boil them in water to make tea.. water boils at 212f, and food dehydrators dont usually go passed 150 or so..
so if heat kills potency at 150, then boiling them in water should destroy the alkaloids.. which it does not.. make some disgusting jello like that not too long ago.. and fried hella hard..
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: User714]
#14355356 - 04/26/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PassiveAgressive said: I've read time and time again that prolonged heat will eventually reduce potency. I would bet that the stay in the dehydrator had a major impact on the potency.
You guys keep spreading this same bullshit misinformation.
You coulda kept them in the dehydrator for a week solid and still tripped off them.
Your friend is probably a broke-ass liar who is trying to get a free replacement.
Was the strain B+ by chance tho? You know about the infamous B+ bunk mystery flushes?
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: anonjon]
#14355853 - 04/26/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your friend is probably a broke-ass liar who is trying to get a free replacement.
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14355905 - 04/26/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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just as an FYI to EVERYONE its not the HEAT that causes the loss its oxidation.. and yes long high heat exposure to moving air of a dehydrator can oxidize the actives... the melting point of the actives is much higher than the boiling point of water .. but the constant hot moving air is the bad guy..
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: Slimz]
#14356045 - 04/26/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could be the B+ bunk flush like Anonjon was saying. I've heard of this before (and experienced it, really a freak thing), and don't doubt that it's real.
Also, yeah, with multispore, fruits from the same flush on the same cake/tub can vary wildly in potency. That's why isolates and cloning are done, to help even out variance with a known set of genes. Even if you clone a medium-strength fruit, chances are the next batch will be almost all medium-strength. The tricky part is knowing what to clone if you're shooting for potency...unless you have access to lots of guinea pigs or very expensive lab hardware, there's a lot of guesswork involved.
BTW I've had very, very good batches and fed them to people that came back and said the same thing. Turns out they ate them after eating a gigantic spaghetti buffet and drinking a 6 pack and eating a few bars of Xanax. Well no shit you barely tripped, you fat bastards. FAST MOAR next time.
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Re: Too long in dehydrator? [Re: afrosheen]
#14356129 - 04/26/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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afrosheen said:
BTW I've had very, very good batches and fed them to people that came back and said the same thing. Turns out they ate them after eating a gigantic spaghetti buffet and drinking a 6 pack and eating a few bars of Xanax. Well no shit you barely tripped, you fat bastards. FAST MOAR next time.
SERIOUSLY. If some asswipe tells you your shit was bunk, 90% chance he's just a dumass who didn't dose right.
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