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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355554 - 04/26/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country. 

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.

People who want to steal things really do spend an inordinate amount of time justifying their crimes.  Just like Bernie Madoff does.  He doesn't have to steal for his supper either.  He gets it free.




I don't steal or pirate, but...






I was wondering when I was going to see this one in this thread.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355556 - 04/26/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country. 

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.

People who want to steal things really do spend an inordinate amount of time justifying their crimes.  Just like Bernie Madoff does.  He doesn't have to steal for his supper either.  He gets it free.




I don't steal or pirate, but...






I don't recall anyone saying thieves can't make posters.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355557 - 04/26/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cute picture and all, but you're still taking profits out of the hands of the people who made the software, or made the music, or the movie or whatever. It affects everyone involved in those professions, not just the artists themselves.

(Don't take this as judgement, I pirate everything. Just know what it is.)

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355567 - 04/26/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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psilyguy said:
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zappaisgod said:
Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country. 

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.

People who want to steal things really do spend an inordinate amount of time justifying their crimes.  Just like Bernie Madoff does.  He doesn't have to steal for his supper either.  He gets it free.




I don't steal or pirate, but...






Imagine my car gets stolen but the assholes bring it back before I need it the next day.  They still stole my car. 

Piracy is theft.  They stole the creator's ability to sell them their creation.  Thieves.  The law is on my side.  Keep spinning little Madoffs.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355568 - 04/26/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
I've always known that stealing from stores ultimately meant stealing from employees



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I agree with that but at the same time the money comes out of the lowest ranking employees paychecks and not the fat cats in the penthouses.



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Did you know that when Wal-Mart accounts for an expected amount of shrinkage they use it to calculate the wages they can pay and the prices they can charge?  It's true.  So the thieves are fucking the poor downtrodden workers and the poor customers.




Ha, I don't know where you guys live, but this isn't true at all where i'm from. Shoplifting does not have an effect on the lowest ranking employees paychecks because they are already making the absolute minimum wage that is legal. And don't try to convince me that they only pay minimum wage because people steal. If nobody ever steal a single cent from Walmart they would still pay most of their employess minimum wage. Thats how Walmart does business.

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355580 - 04/26/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Cute picture and all, but you're still taking profits out of the hands of the people who made the software, or made the music, or the movie or whatever. It affects everyone involved in those professions, not just the artists themselves.

(Don't take this as judgement, I pirate everything. Just know what it is.)




Than it is you taking profits out of hands, not me. Like I said, i'm not a thief. I just don't give a shit about others being a thief, unless they steal from me.

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355589 - 04/26/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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psilyguy said:
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frylock91 said:
I've always known that stealing from stores ultimately meant stealing from employees



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MisterMuscaria said:
I agree with that but at the same time the money comes out of the lowest ranking employees paychecks and not the fat cats in the penthouses.



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zappaisgod said:
Did you know that when Wal-Mart accounts for an expected amount of shrinkage they use it to calculate the wages they can pay and the prices they can charge?  It's true.  So the thieves are fucking the poor downtrodden workers and the poor customers.




Ha, I don't know where you guys live, but this isn't true at all where i'm from. Shoplifting does not have an effect on the lowest ranking employees paychecks because they are already making the absolute minimum wage that is legal. And don't try to convince me that they only pay minimum wage because people steal. If nobody ever steal a single cent from Walmart they would still pay most of their employess minimum wage. Thats how Walmart does business.




Why should they pay more?  And not every employee at Wal-Mart is a minimum wage loser.

The profit margin at Wal-Mart is under 4%.  I wonder what their expected "shrinkage" costs are from scumbag social justice thieves are


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
    #14355607 - 04/26/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Right, I'm aware, I just don't give a shit b/c why would I?

I support local artists that I really enjoy, but fuck the rest. We're all playing to win for ourselves, we all make our own rules for how we play. The smart ones know the risks and take precautions to not get caught.

Big ups for not judging. :thumbup:

Edited by uber_aj (04/26/11 02:43 PM)

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355640 - 04/26/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I realize that selfish narcissists will continue to enrich themselves at the expense of others.  I will continue to view them as scum and point it out.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14355646 - 04/26/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this thread needs to be burned to the depths of hell:devil:

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355659 - 04/26/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you find the finger pointing fulfilling and advantageous. :heart:

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355665 - 04/26/11 02:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I hope you find the finger pointing fulfilling and advantageous. :heart:



I'm not doing the fingering.  I didn't identify the thieves.  They all confessed.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355670 - 04/26/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if ever there was a thread that needed a lock :frown:

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355688 - 04/26/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I see, you meant "point it out" as pointing out that they are scum in your view, not that they're thieves.

I'm sure you'll find the judging and labeling to be a sustainable, healthy practice. :smirk:

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14355689 - 04/26/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why?


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: stranger_danger] * 1
    #14355786 - 04/26/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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if ever there was a thread that needed a lock :frown:




Funny how many people say that when the discussion doesn't go their way.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14355814 - 04/26/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Every time I see a post by owls, I can understand why he opted out of ratings.




everytime i see you post i understand more about why you are the way you are :wink:


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14355821 - 04/26/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i once raped a girl because she was too weak to get away. :thumbup: not my problem. the courts totally let me free and put her in jail for being a weak bitch.




you're comparing rape to petty theft? really now? :feelsbadman:


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355827 - 04/26/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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$20 says the majority of people in this thread bitching about theft torrent movies, music and tv shows, maybe even expensive software.

:shrug:



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$20 says the majority of people in this thread bitching about theft torrent movies, music and tv shows, maybe even expensive software.

:shrug:




Not the same - those things are out there in infinite quantity.  When you steal from a store you're taking income away from them.  They pay to stock their shelves.  Intellectual property is a different beast.  Not saying it's necessarily right to steal movies/software, but the way they're governed is very different.  Due to the infinite nature of software, selling it for thousands of dollars is retarded, and I say that being a software developer.




Psssh, you're still stealing from the developers. Fucking thieves, always finding a way to rationalize their actions.

:nonono:



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Have you ever stolen pirated music, movies or software?



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Nice post, have you ever downloaded music, movies, or software without paying for it?



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Just making sure you weren't dodging the question by assuming that downloading wasn't stealing, as most people seem to.

Did you stop stealing b/c you realized it was wrong and genuinely felt bad about it, or was it so you could feel morally superior and have someone to look down at?



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Judging by the lame comments in this thread and the fact that many say it's not black and white, it's a good thing that not only does what they think not matter, but that they are a minority of the world... many of which will quite clearly fail at life. Also a good thing, since if they fail, they won't own a business for people to steal from.








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uber_aj said:
Cute picture and all, but you're still taking profits out of the hands of the people who made the software, or made the music, or the movie or whatever. It affects everyone involved in those professions, not just the artists themselves.

(Don't take this as judgement, I pirate everything. Just know what it is.)



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uber_aj said:
Right, I'm aware, I just don't give a shit b/c why would I?

I support local artists that I really enjoy, but fuck the rest. We're all playing to win for ourselves, we all make our own rules for how we play. The smart ones know the risks and take precautions to not get caught.

Big ups for not judging. :thumbup:



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I hope you find the finger pointing fulfilling and advantageous. :heart:



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uber_aj said:
I see, you meant "point it out" as pointing out that they are scum in your view, not that they're thieves.

I'm sure you'll find the judging and labeling to be a sustainable, healthy practice. :smirk:




So you start out calling everyone who pirates information/data a thief, then get on Zappa's case for calling thieves scum?  Hypocrite much?

I am going to have to take the side of Zappa and Pris on this one.  It is not ok to steal, and I do look down on shoplifters.  All of the thieves in this thread are trying to rationalize their behavior in order to feel better about themselves.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Happy2fly]
    #14355863 - 04/26/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldnt call piracy theft, Its a unavoidable aspect of going digital.

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