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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: nice1]
    #14355121 - 04/26/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think we are.  My very first post stated clearly enough on page 1 about our system being based on theft and corruption.




You mean where I asked you :What system is that?

The same question you failed to answer?


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: nice1]
    #14355133 - 04/26/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't think we are.  My very first post stated clearly enough on page 1 about our system being based on theft and corruption.



"Our" system is not based on theft and corruption, though it seems like yours is.
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I me mine.  I want it therefor I can take it. 

Face it children.  Just because some people make a whole shit load more money than you doesn't mean they are crooks.  In most cases it means they are smarter and work harder, and when there are cases of corruption and theft they go to jail.  Whining that other people have more than you is unfair is about as productive as any tantrum.  And no, no matter how much you scream I am not giving you another cookie.  Crybaby.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355178 - 04/26/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't really like any of these vibes.  Stealing wrong regardless of situation? Maybe. I pirate music and get a pack of gum or candy bar once in a while.  Do I steal from my friends or individuals? No. What about people that for whatever reason (their fault or not) cannot afford food for their families or selves (especially if say they've been laid off due to corporate greed (but god knows those CEOs work so hard!)).  Nothing is black and white there are only infinite shades of grey based on perspective and value systems.

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: unam sanctum] * 1
    #14355193 - 04/26/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country. 

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.

People who want to steal things really do spend an inordinate amount of time justifying their crimes.  Just like Bernie Madoff does.  He doesn't have to steal for his supper either.  He gets it free.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355201 - 04/26/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

... rly wishing i never got involved in this thread :shrug:

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355231 - 04/26/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country.

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.




Didn't say it wasn't I'm stating my opinion not arguing I could give a shit how you feel about what I do. Every word you say has a hint of elitism to it, I mean your the perfect moral guide for all of us I get it.

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355253 - 04/26/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It is publicly traded, but owned by private individuals or entities.  They also don't "allow" shrinkage.  They just account for it.  If they "allowed" it they wouldn't have people arrested for stealing.



You don't get arrested for stealing at wal-mart. You get a ticket, because arrests cost too much to prosecute. Another way the company "allows" shrink to happen. The only time you get arrested is theft for over $50 merchandise. Otherwise it's a ticket and a criminal trespass. And publicly traded and privately owned aren't synonymous, and I'll bet the US Government would jump at the chance to find a couple billion dollars to throw at them in case they were facing bankruptcy.

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Well yes.  Just because you make less money doesn't me you get to pay less for goods.  If you don't like the compensation level at Wal-Mart you can just tell them to fuck right off and you will work elsewhere.



Why? There's a profit margin of 300% on some things sold at Wal-Mart. They push and bully smaller businesses out of operation. Sorry dude, but the times they are a-changing.

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Maybe you should just walk away.  And stay away.  Thief.



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Theft from big companies like Wal-Mart (which is publicly traded and NOT privately owned, BTW) is insured. You're "allowed" so much shrink, or product loss, every year, after which you'll start getting penalized.



It is publicly traded, but owned by private individuals or entities.  They also don't "allow" shrinkage.  They just account for it.  If they "allowed" it they wouldn't have people arrested for stealing.
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Here's my second justification: Companies like Wal-Mart will typcially underschedule and overwork a smaller staff in order to save on the hours they have to pay you. It doesn't matter if you're made to move like a slave for ten bucks an hour, as long as they get that bonus from being under on hours, it's all worth it. Oh, and the fact that we don't get health insurance on par with most of the nation, and yet we have to pay about the same price as people making twice what we do.




Well yes.  Just because you make less money doesn't me you get to pay less for goods.  If you don't like the compensation level at Wal-Mart you can just tell them to fuck right off and you will work elsewhere.
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Why is it wrong to steal from someone with his dick in your ass? If I'm gonna get fucked like a call-girl, I'm damn sure gonna walk away paid like one...




Maybe you should just walk away.  And stay away.  Thief.
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The so-called "poor people" that can afford to shop at Wal-Mart are Donald fucking Trump compared to the people in Taiwan, India, and Bangladesh working in their suppliers' sweatshops.




The alternative for those people is no job at all.  I'm sure you think you are oh so compassionate and socially aware.




Sorry dude, you just aren't going to succeed in making me feel bad about stealing from a corporation (it's called Wal-Mart Associates, INC, after all) that regularly posts multi-billion dollar profits yet
a) Keeps people on welfare
b) Discriminates against women and minorities
c) Pays well below the national average, yet publicly claims otherwise

Employees aren't provided time off for child-care issues, or they're fired for "being absent too much" when their kid gets sick. Or, they fire you just because they don't like you. I saw a guy get fired once for stepping on the steel bins where we keep the merchandise in order to reach something over his head. Since it wasn't "safe practice" they decided to protect him by firing him.

However, I've never stolen from friends, ever ever. Never done it. Never broken into a house, and never broken into ANYTHING. The closest I came to personal theft was liberating some gasoline from some gas jugs sitting around the marina I was staying at. It'd been sitting there for three months, slowly congealing. So it was mine before it went bad.

Not only that dude, but half the shit I stole (at that same point in time) was food. To eat. A pack of hotdogs, and we'd buy a loaf of bread. Maybe once in a while I'd walk out with a bottle of liqour or some chocolate. Good times.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14355254 - 04/26/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How I feel about what you do is much less important to you than how the court system feels about it.  Keep it up.  You'll either adopt a moral code or one will be provided for you.  Along with three hots and a cot.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355260 - 04/26/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Prosecution? HA. At worst, I'd get a ticket and a criminal trespass. In three years, shit probably wouldn't even show up on my record. If I did a night, oh well. I'm not about to lose a writing gig because someone looked in my past and saw I shoplifted a donut.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355268 - 04/26/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's exactly what I'm talking about right there.

Blah blah blah I know you so well through three comments that I understand your moral code or lack of one.  Whatever brother peace be upon you as well.

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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14355296 - 04/26/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It is publicly traded, but owned by private individuals or entities.  They also don't "allow" shrinkage.  They just account for it.  If they "allowed" it they wouldn't have people arrested for stealing.



You don't get arrested for stealing at wal-mart. You get a ticket, because arrests cost too much to prosecute. Another way the company "allows" shrink to happen. The only time you get arrested is theft for over $50 merchandise. Otherwise it's a ticket and a criminal trespass. And publicly traded and privately owned aren't synonymous, and I'll bet the US Government would jump at the chance to find a couple billion dollars to throw at them in case they were facing bankruptcy.




Oh OK they don't put you in handcuffs and you get a desk appearance ticket.  That doesn't seem like they "allow" it either, does it?:facepalm:

You are certainly correct that publicly traded does not mean entirely privately owned.  See GM and Chrysler.  However I do not believe that the government owns Wal-Mart stock.  At least I should fucking hope not.
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Well yes.  Just because you make less money doesn't me you get to pay less for goods.  If you don't like the compensation level at Wal-Mart you can just tell them to fuck right off and you will work elsewhere.



Why? There's a profit margin of 300% on some things sold at Wal-Mart. They push and bully smaller businesses out of operation. Sorry dude, but the times they are a-changing.




Push and bully by charging less?  I don't think you know what a profit margin is.
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Maybe you should just walk away.  And stay away.  Thief.



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The so-called "poor people" that can afford to shop at Wal-Mart are Donald fucking Trump compared to the people in Taiwan, India, and Bangladesh working in their suppliers' sweatshops.




The alternative for those people is no job at all.  I'm sure you think you are oh so compassionate and socially aware.




Sorry dude, you just aren't going to succeed in making me feel bad about stealing from a corporation (it's called Wal-Mart Associates, INC, after all) that regularly posts multi-billion dollar profits yet
a) Keeps people on welfare
b) Discriminates against women and minorities
c) Pays well below the national average, yet publicly claims otherwise




Then don't fucking work there.  As far as I know they do not discriminate against women and minorities, they certainly don't keep people on welfare and one of the reasons they can sell shit cheaper to poor people is that they pay their workers less.  Why do you hate poor people?
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Employees aren't provided time off for child-care issues, or they're fired for "being absent too much" when their kid gets sick. Or, they fire you just because they don't like you. I saw a guy get fired once for stepping on the steel bins where we keep the merchandise in order to reach something over his head. Since it wasn't "safe practice" they decided to protect him by firing him.




They were protecting themselves, customers and other workers from an idiot.  And if you miss too much time I'm going to fire you, too.  Companies are not, contrary to the beliefs of the batshit crazy Marxists here, social service netities
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However, I've never stolen from friends, ever ever. Never done it. Never broken into a house, and never broken into ANYTHING. The closest I came to personal theft was liberating some gasoline from some gas jugs sitting around the marina I was staying at. It'd been sitting there for three months, slowly congealing. So it was mine before it went bad.

Not only that dude, but half the shit I stole (at that same point in time) was food. To eat. A pack of hotdogs, and we'd buy a loaf of bread. Maybe once in a while I'd walk out with a bottle of liqour or some chocolate. Good times.




Maybe you should have sold your cell phone to buy food.  Thief.  Keep spinning, Bernie.  The only difference between you and him is competence.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355336 - 04/26/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe you should have sold your cell phone to buy food.  Thief.  Keep spinning, Bernie.  The only difference between you and him is competence.




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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14355354 - 04/26/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe you should have sold your cell phone to buy food.  Thief.  Keep spinning, Bernie.  The only difference between you and him is competence.




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Lemme know how the ground feels after you fall off your high horse, sir!



I don't think condemning theft is a particularly high moral hurdle.  Unless you are a snake.  Which is what thieves are.  Did you know that when Wal-Mart accounts for an expected amount of shrinkage they use it to calculate the wages they can pay and the prices they can charge?  It's true.  So the thieves are fucking the poor downtrodden workers and the poor customers.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355389 - 04/26/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You are only proving me right. :tard:


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14355397 - 04/26/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You are only proving me right. :tard:




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Maybe in Bizzaro World.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14355462 - 04/26/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Judging by the lame comments in this thread and the fact that many say it's not black and white, it's a good thing that not only does what they think not matter, but that they are a minority of the world... many of which will quite clearly fail at life. Also a good thing, since if they fail, they won't own a business for people to steal from.





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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355510 - 04/26/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've always known that stealing from stores ultimately meant stealing from employees, and a few times, when I was like 17 or 18 I stole alcohol, but I would also pay for other things and give the cashier a bigger bill than I needed to and told them to keep the change to make up for the profit loss from stealing the alcohol. :lol:


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Eminence]
    #14355537 - 04/26/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

WakeUpWalmart.com

There's also a movie called "The High Cost of Low Price."

Both of these will detail, far better than I could, how the Wal-Mart corporation drives away small business competition, ruins the economy of smaller towns, makes us more dependent on foreign resources, discriminates against women and minorities, and yes, works the system so that welfare and medicaid make up for them not supplying employees with decent health insurance and pay.

They steal my tax dollars by literally FIXING THE SYSTEM so they can pay less and make more money. And they can get away with it because, hey, too big to fail I'm sure.


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355538 - 04/26/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody needs to steal to eat in this country. 

I will go one step further than most here in this thread have and declare that pirating intellectual property is also theft.  Clearly.

People who want to steal things really do spend an inordinate amount of time justifying their crimes.  Just like Bernie Madoff does.  He doesn't have to steal for his supper either.  He gets it free.




I don't steal or pirate, but...


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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: uber_aj]
    #14355553 - 04/26/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Judging by the lame comments in this thread and the fact that many say it's not black and white, it's a good thing that not only does what they think not matter, but that they are a minority of the world... many of which will quite clearly fail at life. Also a good thing, since if they fail, they won't own a business for people to steal from.









Bill posts here? Huh!


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