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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353531 - 04/26/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol if you think what I wrote in the other thread constitutes being butthurt, you need to rethink what that means

Don't try to deny the condescending tone of your post.

And as if whether or not people are chatting in this thread makes any difference, the shit that Caldicott lady is saying is pretty fucking crazy and it makes sense that he would feel a duty to post something logical to counter the doomsday sensationalism.

Edit: Curveball severely delayed my post :|


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14353547 - 04/26/11 04:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One: everyone who was saying radiation would not reach the US, was wrong. Anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen.
Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people.
Three: the problem people have with the media is that they kept having people give interviews who were either retarded or giving false information on purpose to keep people calm, i.e., "the radiation is not worse than watching tv or a cross-country flight" and "the radiation is not worse than background radiation  you are exposed to each day". They did not give any more explanation, and also, did not refer to the radiation correctly: as fallout. Eventually, these comparisons were dropped from news stories because some experts blasted them as false, because of what I just said: fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.

The other problem as well is that people are told it's not bad, but tests were showing that it was collecting heavily in the rain. The EPA did not tell people until a week after it was already collecting heavily in rainwater. It is also showing up in supermarkets and in milk. In Hawaii, it was 800 times the EPA limits. When they disclosed this, the EPA said it was "okay" because they said it was based on people living to 80 years old.

Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it. This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout. This is a terrible thing, but no one can do anything about it except move from where they live. It's all bullshit, and I cannot believe how no news outlets even care. I've come to the conclusion that they are definitely controlled, somehow, whether through government threat or whatever, not to sound crazy, but this is so fucked up, and Berkeley's nuclear program department has proven, along with many other universities and actually, EPA monitoring stations. These news outlets would usually have a field day with this kind of news, yet....again, nothing. We're all basically fucked. The iodine can go away eventually but the rest, is going to be around for a long, long time.

*Edited to replace cesium with iodine, I'm tired.


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
    #14353553 - 04/26/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Did you read the thread at all?


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353564 - 04/26/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wow man that was a great video!!!! +5!!!


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: propensity]
    #14353572 - 04/26/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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propensity said:
Did you read the thread at all?




Yes, did you read mine? I talked about the video.


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
    #14353575 - 04/26/11 05:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course I read your post, which is what lead me to wonder if you read the thread.

Because someone already explained in depth why what she is saying is sensationalism


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: sandi]
    #14353584 - 04/26/11 05:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sandi said:
One: everyone who was saying radiation would not reach the US, was wrong. Anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen.



Nobody in their right mind denied that radiation would reach the US. Everybody in their right mind acknowledges that the extent to which it has happened has no significant effect on human health, as was to be expected given the nature of the disaster.

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Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people.



Although definite measures will never be available, the estimates of the total amount of radiation released is in the same order of magnitude for Fukushima and Chernobyl. The two disasters are different from each other in terms of disaster response (immediate and well-executed given the circumstances in Fukushima, badly delayed and fundamentally flawed in Chernobyl whatever the excuses provided), geographical location, and type and mode of contamination (reactor explosion and open-air reactor graphite fire in Chernobyl vs. contaminated steam release in Fukushima). The two are difficult to compare if you don't have profound knowledge of the technical details involved.

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Three: the problem people have with the media is that they kept having people give interviews who were either retarded or giving false information on purpose to keep people calm, i.e., "the radiation is not worse than watching tv or a cross-country flight" and "the radiation is not worse than background radiation  you are exposed to each day".



Yes, some of the media have not done a very good job at trying to simplify matters for the general public. Some sources such as the BBC did make an effort to provide concise, actual and accurate information as the events unfurled.

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They did not give any more explanation, and also, did not refer to the radiation correctly: as fallout. Eventually, these comparisons were dropped from news stories because some experts blasted them as false, because of what I just said: fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.



Both fallout and background radiation contribute to the dose received by an organism. Indeed, the exact tissues that are exposed and the local intensity of the exposure contribute to the effective dose received. That's why the quantitative data that are released are using the Sievert unit, which compensates for these technicalities.

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The other problem as well is that people are told it's not bad, but tests were showing that it was collecting heavily in the rain. The EPA did not tell people until a week after it was already collecting heavily in rainwater. It is also showing up in supermarkets and in milk. In Hawaii, it was 800 times the EPA limits. When they disclosed this, the EPA said it was "okay" because they said it was based on people living to 80 years old.



I'm not sure on what sort of data you based the above statements. If you take a look at actual data, you can see that the measured radioactivity is 1,000 times to 100,000 times lower than the highest radiation level measured in Germany after the Chernobyl accident. Note that the Germans are pretty healthy still, despite Chernobyl.

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Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it.



Some things are true. They are laced with sensationalist fear mongering in a way that makes it difficult for the ill-informed to separate fact from fiction.

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This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.



Uhm, depends on how you define 'many'. As a European, I know that only my father owned a GM counter in the late 1980s because he was an electronics freak and he liked to rely on data instead of having to rely on the ill-informed, mis-interpreting reports issues by dimwitted journalists.

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This is a terrible thing



For once, I agree. But we'll probably never agree on how terrible, or why it's terrible.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
    #14354213 - 04/26/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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sandi said:
Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people.




it's not the same as chernobyl and whether it's wrse or not is a matter of
opinion because we're comparing apples and oranges


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fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.





sure you can

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose#Radiation_from_Other_foods



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Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it. This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.




lol... many people in america own a geiger counter or other device for measuring radiation, think that's because of chernobyl as well? in my time in central and eastern europe I never once saw a geiger counter used to detect the levels of radiation in the foods at the stores. it's all sensationalism from an anti-nuclear activist

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It's all bullshit, and I cannot believe how no news outlets even care.




what's bullshit is the alarmist crap that some people continue to believe,
Caldicott cites about 1 million deaths due to chernobyl, it seems she's
counting the deaths of people that are still alive, roughly 600,000
people still living and who knows how many to pad the estimate to over
900,000. where's she get her info from, what sources? there were about 40
oblasts immediately affected in ukraine, belarus and russia and the
incidents of thyroid cancer and lukemia are only slightly higher than any
of the rest of the world. Kiev, Gomel, Mozyr, Yelsk... all still thriving
cities

http://www.bmu.de/files/strahlenschutz/schriftenreihe_reaktorsicherheit_strahlenschutz/application/pdf/schriftenreihe_rs668_appendix10.pdf

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14354239 - 04/26/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They talk about Depleted Uranium ammunition being so bad, but warfare has always been unhealthy. For instance all people involved in the Civil War died, even people who didnt set foot on the battlefield.


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Asante]
    #14354259 - 04/26/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

battles of old were spectator events, with the introduction of firearms it
became far more deadly for those watching. it was like TV for the 1800s

the way I see it, a lead bullet in the gut is just as bad for you as one of DU

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14354282 - 04/26/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I posted the video because I thought it was interesting.
A person who has dedicated their life to the harm radiation/nuclear
power can cause is worth listening to. Although she does make it sounds
like everyone is already dead lol which is most likely due to her
extreme distrust of nuclear power. She is still on point about most
the content in the video. Instead of trying to scare everyone away
from this type of power she should just do her best to educate the
people.


"Nuclear power is one hell of a way to boil water."
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14354306 - 04/26/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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athedrivein61 said:
I posted the video because I thought it was interesting.
A person who has dedicated their life to the harm radiation/nuclear
power can cause is worth listening to.




right, her anti-nuclear agenda, she's a medical doctard, not even in the
nuclear field, what the hell makes her worth listening to, the fact that
she's falsified the figures to try and garner more support for her cause
or is it because Dr. preceded her name so that means we should listen


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Although she does make it sounds
like everyone is already dead lol which is most likely due to her
extreme distrust of nuclear power. She is still on point about most
the content in the video.




how can she be on point if her point is based on a lie?

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14354331 - 04/26/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Prisoner#1, I swear you are Swami's puppet lol

I find your insight on all topics good and very logic based.  but I lol at almost every reply you give.  your inflection is awesome  :cool:

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: FlusH]
    #14354340 - 04/26/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Prisoner#1, I swear you are Swami's puppet lol





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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14354356 - 04/26/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dont yell at me!!

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14355167 - 04/26/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's some facts to chill your bones my negros:

- 100% OF THE EARTH IS IRRADIATED!!!!!!

- 100% OF YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14355234 - 04/26/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945. 955 nuclear bombs were tested in Nevada alone, making Nevada one of the most polluted places on this earth right next to fukushima.

Yet the government is waging a "war on cancer" :rolleyes:

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
    #14355521 - 04/26/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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danielx said:
its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945. 955 nuclear bombs were tested in Nevada alone, making Nevada one of the most polluted places on this earth right next to fukushima.

Yet the government is waging a "war on cancer" :rolleyes:

/rant



65% of cancer is from tobacco/obesity. So there's most of it. Care to argue that fat smokers get lung cancer from nuclear testing in 1940's?

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
    #14355766 - 04/26/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945.




nope

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #14355806 - 04/26/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Have you even looked at the cancer rates in relation to nuclear technology?

Blame tobacco use for lung cancer, fine. But blaming obesity for the over 200 varieties of cancer, thats a stretch.

believe all the .gov websites you want, its all acceptable and safe limits of radiation, right? Bikini island was also within safe and acceptable limits of radiation, nevermind the fact that my friends grand father who worked there died of cancer, along with all of his crew.

Must have just been an interesting coincidence though.


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