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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14348630 - 04/25/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ahhh, humans try to explain everything :aliendance: . Yet we know sooooo LITTLE.
In the end the truth will be revealed one way or another:smirk:
But for now, all we can do is make inaccurate speculations

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14349531 - 04/25/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i like cow poo said:
ahhh, humans try to explain everything :aliendance: . Yet we know sooooo LITTLE.
In the end the truth will be revealed one way or another:smirk:
But for now, all we can do is make inaccurate speculations




Please explain to me why it is inevitable that the truth will be revealed in the end?


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: 4896744]
    #14351527 - 04/25/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ha the truth is always revealed we're just not smart enough to comprehend it :awesomenod::strokebeard:

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14352166 - 04/25/11 10:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Einstein definitely did not believe in God in the conventional sense of the word:

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I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

    - Albert Einstein, responding to Rabbi Herbert Goldstein's question "Do you believe in God?"

    It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

    - Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954)






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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: NetDiver]
    #14353600 - 04/26/11 05:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The fact that he never denied the existence of God, regardless of the attachement, is good enough for me.

Panentheism (from Greek Ο€αΎΆΞ½ (pΓ’n) "all"; ἐν (en) "in"; and ΞΈΞ΅ΟŒΟ‚ (theΓ³s) "God"; "all-in-God") is a belief system which posits that God exists and interpenetrates every part of nature, and timelessly extends beyond as well. Panentheism is distinguished from pantheism, which holds that God is synonymous with the universe.[1]

Briefly put, in pantheism, "God is the whole"; in panentheism, "The whole is in God." This means that the universe in the first formulation is practically the Whole itself, but in the second, the universe and God are not ontologically equivalent. In panentheism, God is not necessarily viewed as the creator or demiurge, but the eternal animating force behind the universe, some versions positing the universe as nothing more than the manifest part of God. In some forms of panentheism, the cosmos exists within God, who in turn "pervades" or is "in" the cosmos. While pantheism asserts that God and the universe are coextensive, panentheism claims that God is greater than the universe and some forms hold that the universe is contained within God.[2] Much Hindu thought is highly characterized by panentheism and pantheism.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

Would you guys agree that this is a pretty good interpretation?

Edited by teknix (04/26/11 05:36 AM)

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14353637 - 04/26/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The fact that he never denied the existence of God, regardless of the attachement, is good enough for me.





'Good enough for you' is another great piece of logic.

Seeing as how 'God' is a blank place-holder with unlimited meanings being projected onto it, believing or disbelieving has little merit. When one debunks a specific meaning, a proponent merely shifts to yet another abstraction ad infinitum.


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14353683 - 04/26/11 06:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The fact that he never denied the existence of God, regardless of the attachement, is good enough for me.





'Good enough for you' is another great piece of logic.

Seeing as how 'God' is a blank place-holder with unlimited meanings being projected onto it, believing or disbelieving has little merit. When one debunks a specific meaning, a proponent merely shifts to yet another abstraction ad infinitum.




Exactly OC, so it is actually stupid to try to deny existence of god.

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14353686 - 04/26/11 06:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

But it's not stupid to deny the existence of all the several different conceptions of God.


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid]
    #14353776 - 04/26/11 06:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes it is poid, even Einstein didn't really know for certain. How could you?

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14353787 - 04/26/11 06:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is it stupid to place doubt to an extreme level over it then? Similar to unicorns or pixies or any other species of elf showing me the way to a new pot of gold over the rainbow. May all desires come true and may culture keep selling me the next idea of what happiness is! Unnerringly I'd rush faster than the any hamster or horse for his golden carrot. Errr.... what was that you were saying about bitterness poid?


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14353796 - 04/26/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't, & I never claimed to--it's possible to "deny the existence" of something one isn't certain of.


Flying spaghetti, anyone? :FSM1:


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14353805 - 04/26/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Errr.... what was that you were saying about bitterness poid?


I said your jokes are bitter, Grapefruit (like a grapefruit:tongue:).


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid]
    #14353982 - 04/26/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

think about the way einstein felt when he discovered you could split the atom :shocked: i bet he shit complete bricks


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: AntiEverything]
    #14354235 - 04/26/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pantheism is functionally equivalent to atheism. If God is literally everything, then God is nothing. It's just a poetic way of expressing awe at the mysteries of the Universe. :shrug:


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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: NetDiver]
    #14354254 - 04/26/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Pantheism is functionally equivalent to atheism. If God is literally everything, then God is nothing. It's just a poetic way of expressing awe at the mysteries of the Universe. :shrug:




I completely agree.  Its a way to not seem like an atheist in an environment that is hostile to atheists.

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: DieCommie]
    #14354566 - 04/26/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everything does not equate to nothing, I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion.

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14354683 - 04/26/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

In this case it does. Both me and a rock are parts of God. So is a giraffe. So is a speck of dirt. Literally everything is part of God, so God is nothing special.

"I'm a part of God!"
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: NetDiver]
    #14354981 - 04/26/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like Buddhism. We all did originate from the same source...big bang theory:sunny:

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14355059 - 04/26/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Everything to be true must also encompass nothing, although not that it is nothing. People confuse that all the time imo.

I think it's more Like . .

yang = everything
yin = nothing
yin + yang = neutrality.

They both must have a plane to exist on, or they would anhilate eachother. This plane is simply holding both nothing and everything.

For instance, if you say nothing is everything and everything is nothing, the outcome and final result is only nothing.

If you say nothing contains everything as everything contains nothing, the outcome is unbiased.

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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
    #14355141 - 04/26/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yang = everything
yin = nothing
yin + yang = neutrality




Someone needs to learn some 4th grade math...


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