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short term backpacking vs long term questions
    #14354920 - 04/26/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i can only really ever go out on the weekends (friday night - sunday night)

as far as water is concerned, would buying a ~$100 water filter really be wise, or would i just be better off either bringing some water or just boiling whatever I find?

and as far as longer term backpacking, how do people who aren't hunters go about getting food? or is that just an oxymoron? :lol:


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: pfxtc]
    #14354983 - 04/26/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

a water filter is nice, I used mine a lot when I was backpacking. As for not being a hunter just learn to identify plants or bring the food with you. When I was backpacking I would go to campgrounds on sundays and ask people if theyt had any food to donate and most people were nice enough to do so.


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: Greenvalley]
    #14357160 - 04/26/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you're going long term hiking then you buy an expedition pack and bring food.


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: pfxtc]
    #14359870 - 04/27/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As far as the water filter question, it'd be nice to eventually get a water filter.
But you can get away with just boiling water if you'd like.

EDIT: Was also thinking... You're gonna waste a lot of fuel boiling water that way.
I mean, adding it up over time...
You need 2-3 L per day. Most for drinking, but also for preparing food, washing stuff, etc. etc.
I'd just get a field serviceable filter since it's (mostly) a one-time purchase.

As for food, I'm not gonna answer your question but...
On shorter backpacking trips, you can really get away with bringing just about anything: eggs, meat, sandwiches, etc.
A lot of things that we are conditioned into thinking are easily perishable can actually last a couple of days in your backpack- especially if it's not too hot out.


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14364521 - 04/27/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

a water filter is a nice commodity. hiking gallons of water can be heavy which isnt so bad on 48-72 hr hikes.

but if shit goes down.. its cheap insurance.


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: rackem]
    #14364583 - 04/27/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

don't the have water purifying tablets you can buy at outdoor stores?


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: IamMatt]
    #14364908 - 04/28/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I personally can't stand the water/iodine tablets, although I do carry a thing of aqua mira water drops for backup.

I use my MSR miniworks for pretty much all my water


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: Shroomism]
    #14390115 - 05/02/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A water filter is pretty handy, even for weekends. 

Freeze dried is the way to go.  REI has some real gourmet shit.  Many large grocery stores have freeze dried meals.  The blueberries and granola are good.

Also, you cant go wrong with a fishing pole.  There is nothing better than fresh meat :smile:


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    #14392540 - 05/03/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Freeze dried meals are good... but that shit gets expensive in a hurry at 6-10 bucks a bag.
Not really viable for long term backpacking.

Short term you can bring whatever you want usually.
But with longer term backpacking you need to consider weight and you have to be a lot more conscious about bringing stuff that is lightweight but as calorie- and nutrient packed as possible.
i.e - fresh produce is a luxury.. a HEAVY luxury, that goes bad fast. Dehydrated fruit/veggies is preferred. Canned food lasts forever, but cans weigh a shitton and are bulky, and you have to pack all that waste out.

Best thing I've done is use a dehydrator and dehydrate my own meals.
Get a bunch of of veggies and some meat, dehydrate completely.. put in a ziplock bag with some herbs and spices, then when ready just dump into a pot of boiling water.... good stew for pennies on the dollar.

You can do that with all sort of stuff. I dehydrate fruit, veggies, meat...  make your own jerky.

For snacks/fuel on the trail, GORP is an essential high-fat, high-protein energy food. A staple for any hiker.
I make my own with almonds, walnuts, peanuts, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, hemp seeds, dried cranberries, raisins, banana chips, chocolate chunks.

Peanut butter and flatbread w/ some honey is another one of my favorites on the trail. PB, flatbread and honey all stay good for a pretty long time. Honey never goes bad and is a super high energy food.

I avoid all processed/refined foods on the trail. If I make pasta it's whole grain pasta, none of that refined white flour shit with no nutrition. If I make oatmeal it's steel cut oats, not instant. It just takes a little while longer to cook. But protip: soak the oats for 1hr in your cooking water, THEN cook.. they will cook up in 5-10 minutes as opposed to 45mins-1hr. Saves fuel. This works for any grain/bean that takes a while to cook. For some beans you may want soak overnight.

Most long-term hikers and thru-hikers become deficient in one or two things because they don't eat right on the trail. The most common is calcium deficiency, vitamin C deficiency, magnesium deficiency. If you pack right and plan your food properly, you can eat like a king on the trail.

For longer term backpacking you also want to supplement your diet with whatever you can find on the trail. This means becoming familiar with all the local edible plants and wildlife. Fishing is an invaluable skill and source of food for sure. Also supplementing your diet with plants and green things can save you a lot of trouble. Vitamin C can be pretty hard to get on the trail long term, (it breaks down under light, heat, and air.. it is most abundant in fresh fruits and veggies.. so even dehydrated fruits high in Vit C, lose up to ~95% of their original Vitamin C content) but if you are smart you can get it from all kinds of stuff in the wild, like pine needles.


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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: IamMatt]
    #14414241 - 05/07/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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don't the have water purifying tablets you can buy at outdoor stores?




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Re: short term backpacking vs long term questions [Re: pfxtc]
    #14423536 - 05/09/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You will need to buy food.  Hunting gathering is no easy task - you can spend all day and still end up with barely any nutrition.  You sound like you have no experience of it so I definitely second Shroomism on the trail mix suggestion and make sure you are within distance of a town or village so you can buy some.

Generally humans require a lot of water.  When you think about how much water you use each day - it is a lot - drinking, hydrating foods, cleaning yourself and clothes.  Its impossible to carry enough so again its best to stay in range of places with available drinking water. 

Purifying your own water is a useful skill but its way more complex than the first glance - you have to consider the source even with purification - if theres a chemical dump a few miles upstream or something you can still unwittingly poison yourself.  If you are in the middle of nowhere and only have a poisoned water source - its a life or death situation and you may not even realize until its too late.

Don't want to scare you tho - just saying research thoroughly and take necessary precaution / information.


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