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    #14353808 - 04/26/11 09:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I have read that many people find this to be mocking of religion, but isn't religion self-mocking?

If religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14353832 - 04/26/11 09:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

why are you unable to see the silliness of your beliefs?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: LittleDipster]
    #14353845 - 04/26/11 09:12 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Which one of my beliefs do you find to be silly?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: LittleDipster]
    #14353851 - 04/26/11 09:14 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You present nothing yet OC clearly presents that there is no way to make a distinction between pasta being holy and sacred from anything else being holy and sacred so they are both equally ridiculous.

If you disagree why not post why instead of posting a slight to a belief without backing it up?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14354113 - 04/26/11 10:52 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

holy pasta

Clearly, holy pasta is absurd.

However, holy bread and wine sanctified at Catholic mass is sacred. :yesnod:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Diploid]
    #14354315 - 04/26/11 12:04 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Too bad it didn't start out being holy wine and pasta.  I'd turn catholic just for the Sunday brunch.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14354543 - 04/26/11 01:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

some people believed the bubonic plague was a god's punishment :shrug:
silly enough for me.

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If religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?




Real wackos usually aren't able to perceive their own wackiness.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14354585 - 04/26/11 01:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Im not asking why YOUR beliefs are silly. Im asking you why doesn't everyone think their own beliefs are silly?

probably because they believe in them.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14355649 - 04/26/11 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?



The flying-spaghetti monster is completely arbitrary and isn't even a solid concept while God although unprovable, is.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14355728 - 04/26/11 05:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Which one is this thread?  Philosophy, sociology or psychology?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14355772 - 04/26/11 05:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Philosophy


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14356155 - 04/26/11 06:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I have read that many people find this to be mocking of religion, but isn't religion self-mocking?

If religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?



This is not philosophy.  It is masturbation.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14356422 - 04/26/11 07:19 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have read that many people find this to be mocking of religion, but isn't religion self-mocking?

If religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?



This is not philosophy.  It is masturbation.




I would say its more like an opiate.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: 4896744]
    #14356448 - 04/26/11 07:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I praise the flying spaghetti monster. Prove him wrong, i dare you. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14357071 - 04/26/11 09:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Before we can refute it's existence you have to outline what it's existence is. Define 'the flying spaghetti monster'.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14357080 - 04/26/11 09:08 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

pretty sure its title is self defining


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14357108 - 04/26/11 09:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Before we can refute it's existence you have to outline what it's existence is. Define 'the flying spaghetti monster'.




It is a monster who is all powerful and made of spaghetti. Do you have a definition for "God" that is any better than that?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14357164 - 04/26/11 09:23 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

people don't tend to have visions of the flying spaghetti monster followed by feelings of bliss and purpose. not that i've heard of anyways.  maybe there will be some ultra ironic astral world that starts to develop :lol:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: 4896744]
    #14357417 - 04/26/11 10:11 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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pretty sure its title is self defining


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It is a monster who is all powerful and made of spaghetti.




So it is some kind of organism made of spaghetti which has a finite existence within time and space. If it exists in time and space then it cannot be all powerful as it will be limited by time and space.

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Do you have a definition for "God" that is any better than that?




You serious? Your spaghetti monster God is a joke. My God does not exist within time and space because he is the cause of time and space.

The spaghetti God is completely arbitrary and is not a solid concept. This spaghetti monster argument is only made by those who have a very primitive conception of what God is.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero] * 1
    #14357510 - 04/26/11 10:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You serious? Your spaghetti monster God is a joke. My God does not exist within time and space because he is the cause of time and space

Are you serious? How insulting!

His noodlyness is the cause of time and space. He is creator of all there is. He is the beginning and the end.

YOUR god is the joke. He doesn't even have holy sauce. What kind of god doesn't have sauce? All he has is holy water. It is thin and not sacred.

You should stop talking nonsense and insulting the beliefs of millions of Pastafarians around the world. :mad2:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Diploid]
    #14357543 - 04/26/11 10:36 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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His noodlyness is the cause of time and space. He is creator of all there is. He is the beginning and the end.






Well then he is no longer spaghetti monster but my God! he is one after all.

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You should stop talking nonsense and insulting the beliefs of millions of Pastafarians around the world




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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14357888 - 04/26/11 11:35 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

when he talks about god he can see it here and now, the same can't be said for the flying spaghetti monster


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14358150 - 04/27/11 12:07 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
I have read that many people find this to be mocking of religion, but isn't religion self-mocking?

If religious folk can see the absurdity of holy pasta, why are they unable to see the silliness of their own wacky myths?




Strawman, not all religious folk are unable to see the silliness of their wacky myths.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14358280 - 04/27/11 12:23 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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pretty sure its title is self defining


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It is a monster who is all powerful and made of spaghetti.




So it is some kind of organism made of spaghetti which has a finite existence within time and space. If it exists in time and space then it cannot be all powerful as it will be limited by time and space.

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Do you have a definition for "God" that is any better than that?




You serious? Your spaghetti monster God is a joke. My God does not exist within time and space because he is the cause of time and space.

The spaghetti God is completely arbitrary and is not a solid concept. This spaghetti monster argument is only made by those who have a very primitive conception of what God is.






ahahaha Prove my flying spaghetti monster wrong? and how do you deduce he's finite? What if i think he infinite and both apart and outside of our physcial realm.

You cant find evidence for him? Absence of evidence does not mean absence of evidence.

sorry but A giant "man" in the sky is just an inplausible


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14358387 - 04/27/11 12:34 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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You present nothing yet OC clearly presents that there is no way to make a distinction between pasta being holy and sacred from anything else being holy and sacred so they are both equally ridiculous.

If you disagree why not post why instead of posting a slight to a belief without backing it up?




The term "holy" or "sacred" is defined by each individual on a bit of a deeper scale (IMO). It has a lot to do with the emotional/mental state that is induced and the various frequencies that are distributed and their effects on our physical form. The definition may vary from subject to subject but the emotional/mental state and the effects thereof are common among all individuals who perceive something to be "holy" or "sacred".

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Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.


What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".


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Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.


Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them. He found that water from clear springs and water that has been exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns. In contrast, polluted water, or water exposed to negative thoughts, forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/





Our bodies (not to mention the Earth) are made up of approximately 60% water, thus this effect is on a biological scale as well. :2cents:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Fungusfondla]
    #14358415 - 04/27/11 12:37 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah ive seen that move, "water". interesting stuff indeed


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14358522 - 04/27/11 12:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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ahahaha Prove my flying spaghetti monster wrong? and how do you deduce he's finite? What if i think he infinite and both apart and outside of our physcial realm.





Well then I guess he is no longer the spaghetti monster but the real God of the theistic religions incarnating as spaghetti monster? Lol sure but why worry about it? Jesus was here :smile:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14358923 - 04/27/11 02:06 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Religious folks can not see the "sillyness" or "absurdity" of their "myths", as you call them, because they have divine proof: The Word of God, aka (insert name of any holy text here).:smile:

My question is: If God really is all-powerful, omnipotent, infinitely wise, and telepathically communicative, -- as he is claimed to be -- why would he/she/it not be able, nor willing to directly impart universal awareness of himself into our cerebral cortexes? Why instead speak vicariously through texts written by less knowledgeable beings who might contort or omit His word to suit their own agenda?

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    #14358973 - 04/27/11 02:15 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Fungusfondla said:
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Grapefruit said:
You present nothing yet OC clearly presents that there is no way to make a distinction between pasta being holy and sacred from anything else being holy and sacred so they are both equally ridiculous.

If you disagree why not post why instead of posting a slight to a belief without backing it up?




The term "holy" or "sacred" is defined by each individual on a bit of a deeper scale (IMO). It has a lot to do with the emotional/mental state that is induced and the various frequencies that are distributed and their effects on our physical form. The definition may vary from subject to subject but the emotional/mental state and the effects thereof are common among all individuals who perceive something to be "holy" or "sacred".

Quote:

Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.


What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".


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Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.


Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them. He found that water from clear springs and water that has been exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns. In contrast, polluted water, or water exposed to negative thoughts, forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/





Our bodies (not to mention the Earth) are made up of approximately 60% water, thus this effect is on a biological scale as well. :2cents:





The problem with this Emoto stuff is that there's no evidence for it- just a bunch of antecdotal reports with ill-defined but definately insufficient methodology.  Basically, he just looks at crystals till he finds one that matches what he's looking for (he's not blinded) and then proclaims it a "hit". 

Its crap, dude, total crap.  If you disagree, try to find some evidence of whatever investigation he's done to verify these claims and demonstrate how such was accomplished.  That you will be unable to find anything should clue you in that its just made up garbage- about as methodologically sound as the grilled-cheese Jesus antecdotes as proof that Jesus appears in grilled cheese.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: johnm214]
    #14358978 - 04/27/11 02:16 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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That you will be unable to find anything should clue you in that its just made up garbage- about as methodologically sound as the grilled-cheese Jesus antecdotes as proof that Jesus appears in grilled cheese.




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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: soldatheero]
    #14359043 - 04/27/11 02:32 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

FSM created everything. It is the truth. If there are any such other beings even close to his power he created them for the lulz as he like the lulz.


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    #14359653 - 04/27/11 07:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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Fungusfondla said:
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Grapefruit said:
You present nothing yet OC clearly presents that there is no way to make a distinction between pasta being holy and sacred from anything else being holy and sacred so they are both equally ridiculous.

If you disagree why not post why instead of posting a slight to a belief without backing it up?




The term "holy" or "sacred" is defined by each individual on a bit of a deeper scale (IMO). It has a lot to do with the emotional/mental state that is induced and the various frequencies that are distributed and their effects on our physical form. The definition may vary from subject to subject but the emotional/mental state and the effects thereof are common among all individuals who perceive something to be "holy" or "sacred".

Quote:

Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.


What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".


You Make Me Sick



















Love and Gratitude























Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.


Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them. He found that water from clear springs and water that has been exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns. In contrast, polluted water, or water exposed to negative thoughts, forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/





Our bodies (not to mention the Earth) are made up of approximately 60% water, thus this effect is on a biological scale as well. :2cents:





The problem with this Emoto stuff is that there's no evidence for it- just a bunch of antecdotal reports with ill-defined but definately insufficient methodology.  Basically, he just looks at crystals till he finds one that matches what he's looking for (he's not blinded) and then proclaims it a "hit". 

Its crap, dude, total crap.  If you disagree, try to find some evidence of whatever investigation he's done to verify these claims and demonstrate how such was accomplished.  That you will be unable to find anything should clue you in that its just made up garbage- about as methodologically sound as the grilled-cheese Jesus antecdotes as proof that Jesus appears in grilled cheese.





http://amnap.blogspot.com/2007/04/double-blind-experimental-validation-of.html

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001150.html

http://www.is-masaru-emoto-for-real.com/  The validity of the scientific methods used is certainly questionable. (But then again so is the OP.) Took all of 20 seconds to find, there's more too.  (UTFGS)  :whocares:  :lovemeds:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: argg]
    #14359672 - 04/27/11 08:03 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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FSM created everything. It is the truth. If there are any such other beings even close to his power he created them for the lulz as he like the lulz.




Your sig led me to a revelation.... the universe is one big line of coke and we are all being snorted through the blackhole of FSM's nostrils!!!!!!!!!!! WILD RIDE! :hotidea:  :hotidea:


Edit: now that I think about it, not sure why I tried to make a productive post in a thread about a "Flying Spaghetti Monster"... Man I must have been feeling good last night lol.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Fungusfondla]
    #14360060 - 04/27/11 10:43 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You've got it all wrong. The real one God is actually the cosmic Fonz.

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    #14360080 - 04/27/11 10:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I praise the flying spaghetti monster. Prove him wrong, i dare you. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence




There is copious amounts of evidence against the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Of all the gods invented, the FSM has among the most evidence denying its existence.  (of course demanding 'proof' is an unrealistic and unreasonable expectation)


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    #14360095 - 04/27/11 10:53 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dr. Masaru Emoto was born in Japan and is a graduate of the Yokohama Municipal University and the Open International University as a Doctor of Alternative Medicine. His photographs were first featured in his self-published books Messages from Water 1 and 2. The Hidden Messages in Water was first published in Japan, with over 400,000 copies sold internationally.


What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression".


You Make Me Sick



















Love and Gratitude























Essentially, Dr. Emoto captured water's 'expressions.' He developed a technique using a very powerful microscope in a very cold room along with high-speed photography, to photograph newly formed crystals of frozen water samples. Not all water samples crystallize however. Water samples from extremely polluted rivers directly seem to express the 'state' the water is in.


Dr. Masaru Emoto discovered that crystals formed in frozen water reveal changes when specific, concentrated thoughts are directed toward them. He found that water from clear springs and water that has been exposed to loving words shows brilliant, complex, and colorful snowflake patterns. In contrast, polluted water, or water exposed to negative thoughts, forms incomplete, asymmetrical patterns with dull colors.

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/





Our bodies (not to mention the Earth) are made up of approximately 60% water, thus this effect is on a biological scale as well. :2cents:




This effect?  There is no effect.  This is all made up bullshit dude, it really is.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Fungusfondla]
    #14360181 - 04/27/11 11:20 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Man, the gullibility of True Believers never stops.

I've debunked this several times, but since True Believers prefer to believe anything that supports their biases and pre-conclusions instead of actually trying to find the Truth of things, here we go again:

Let's start with the Dr. part. Emoto's PhD is from an unaccredited diploma farm. He never earned a PhD. He just had one printed up for him. This alone doesn't invalidate his claims, but it goes to show how True Believers swallow any bullshit that's fed to them without critical analysis so long as it supports their pre-conclusions.

Next, Emoto claims that when he tapes words to bottles of water and freezes them, the crystals that form are descriptive of the words used. For example, if the word 'love' is taped to a bottle, beautiful crystals form; if the words 'you make me sick' are used, ugly crystals form.

What Emoto fails to mention is that the person judging the character of the crystals knows the word used and uses this foreknowledge to look for for a crystal among the millions that form which matches the target word. This is a huge no-no in science because it's been shown again and again that, even against your best intentions, if you know what's supposed to be there, you will usually find it - it's called Selection Bias and automatically invalidates any findings.

To demonstrate a real effect, the person characterizing the crystals would have to be blind to the word used so that he can make an honest and fair assessment of the aesthetics of the crystal without bias.

By the way, my buddy James Randi has said that if Emoto could perform this experiment blinded, it would qualify for the JREF Million Dollar Prize. Demonstrating his claims in a proper blind protocol would show there really is a correlation between the words taped to a bottle and the crystals formed within. Not surprisingly, Emoto has never applied for the million dollar prize.

Meanwhile, attempts to reproduce Emoto's work by others have now been made. Again not surprisingly, his results are unreproducible when the test is done properly blinded.

Additionally, Emoto has been invited to demonstrate his results by a few universities. He's declined all the invitations so far.

And finally, Emoto published his work without peer review (surprised?). This means that he can report anything at all, and since no other scientists were offered the opportunity to comment, his word goes uncontested.

It's relevant to note that even with all of the above, his book is selling well to people who buy new age mumbo jumbo that is demonstrably bullshit and who don't know how to think critically.


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    #14360269 - 04/27/11 11:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

More importantly, it has been shown that water crystals don't have the intelligence of an amoeba and are certainly unable to read words backwards.


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    #14360304 - 04/27/11 11:51 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

wow that was a great debunk, at first i was all bunked but now I AINT BUNKED NO MO :discorex:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Diploid]
    #14360331 - 04/27/11 11:59 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Man, the gullibility of True Believers never stops.





:laugh2:

How the hell does linking Dr. Emoto make me a "True Believer"? I was simply adding to the thread, was not suggesting the existence or non-existence of ANYTHING. It's that mentality that keeps me out of these sh*t threads, it's always a dispute and everyone else is always wrong, even if their post is pertaining to what is perceived as "sacred" or "holy". I wasn't saying anything about my beliefs. Just my opinion on how something (FSM, God, Mushrooms, ANYTHING...) is perceived to be "sacred" or "holy".  :stonedjerk:


Edit: Hadn't looked into the biased nature of Emoto's "research", thanks for the heads up. However, this entire discussion is biased based upon the experiences of the individual arguing, none of this is provable (yet) so Emoto's studies fit perfectly in this thread. If you were to approach this topic with the same blindness, the question would be "what the hell is the FSM", not whether it exists or not. :grin:


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    #14360344 - 04/27/11 12:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

that's just his pejorative phrase for something he doesn't understand, don't let it get to you.


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    #14360347 - 04/27/11 12:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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that's just his pejorative phrase for something he doesn't understand, don't let it get to you.




Something he doesnt understand?  There you go again, up on your high horse....


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    #14360350 - 04/27/11 12:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14360374 - 04/27/11 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm certainly no believer, but honestly the idea that everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing sounds just as absurd as the idea there is some all powerful being that created this world. Certainly religions have some weird quirky shit that was obviously invented by man, but how do we not know that the Christian God does actually exist? If he was to pass his word down to man literally thousands of years ago and it was carried on by word of mouth and some of it written, of course there is going to be many pieces that get misinterpreted, mistranslated, lost, or even intentionally changed for ones own benefit.

Just my two cents.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14360375 - 04/27/11 12:09 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

How the hell does linking Dr. Emoto make me a "True Believer"?

So you linked it because you know Emoto is a bullshitter? Is that it?

that's just his pejorative phrase for something he doesn't understand

I don't understand how it is demonstrably bullshit that taping words to frozen water bottles causes magical ice crystals?

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    #14360395 - 04/27/11 12:15 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

oh don't get me wrong, that is bullshit.  What's also bullshit is to somehow connect that to all other spiritual beliefs on this forum like a reductionist poopface.


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    #14360428 - 04/27/11 12:25 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm certainly no believer, but honestly the idea that everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing sounds just as absurd as the idea there is some all powerful being that created this world.




Who is claiming that 'everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing'?  I see no such claim anywhere in this thread.

The only time I ever see such a claim is believers mis-characterizing the big bang theory in an attempt to prove a point.


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    #14360643 - 04/27/11 01:24 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it's kinda like True Believers claiming that evolution is a flawed theory because dogs don't give birth to cats.


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    #14360677 - 04/27/11 01:32 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm certainly no believer, but honestly the idea that everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing sounds just as absurd as the idea there is some all powerful being that created this world.




Who is claiming that 'everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing'?  I see no such claim anywhere in this thread.

The only time I ever see such a claim is believers mis-characterizing the big bang theory in an attempt to prove a point.




Probably wasn't the best way to put it, but what I'm getting at is that no matter how you try and explain the origins of the universe it's going to sound somewhat fantastical


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    #14360691 - 04/27/11 01:37 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, it's kinda like True Believers claiming that evolution is a flawed theory because dogs don't give birth to cats.




nobody on this forum is saying that. nobody. i'm so down with evolution, have been my whole fuckin life. in fact i'm down with 100% of modern science. The only way you can argue is to lump all people into this "true believer" category that only exists in your own mind.


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    #14360718 - 04/27/11 01:43 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I was addressing the claim that "everything sort of spontaneously appeared out of nothing" is no stranger than everything was created by god, which is a staple of the mystic-head debate.

The first is not claimed by anyone but the mystic-heads, and the second is devoid of logic.

If god created everything because [fill in pet argument], then something created god because [fill in the same argument].


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    #14360781 - 04/27/11 02:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah well i think they're the same thing.  One notion is no more mystical than the other.  All arose out of the void, that's a very spiritual notion.  the difference being that mystics seek to confirm this for themselves experientially.

And I mean it makes sense.  If we are the culmination of a process that began with the big bang, and it exploded out of void, then doesn't that infer that void is to be found at the center of our beings? It doesn't take tooo much of a poetic leap to see how that could be true.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14360789 - 04/27/11 02:05 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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All arose out of the void, that's a very spiritual notion.  the difference being that mystics seek to confirm this for themselves experientially.



It's a scientific notion, too.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v246/n5433/abs/246396a0.html
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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DieCommie]
    #14360820 - 04/27/11 02:16 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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oh don't get me wrong, that is bullshit.  What's also bullshit is to somehow connect that to all other spiritual beliefs on this forum like a reductionist poopface.




:whathesaid:

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How the hell does linking Dr. Emoto make me a "True Believer"?

So you linked it because you know Emoto is a bullshitter? Is that it?





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    #14360951 - 04/27/11 02:52 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I praise the flying spaghetti monster. Prove him wrong, i dare you. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence




There is copious amounts of evidence against the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Of all the gods invented, the FSM has among the most evidence denying its existence.  (of course demanding 'proof' is an unrealistic and unreasonable expectation)





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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14361283 - 04/27/11 04:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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yeah well i think they're the same thing.  One notion is no more mystical than the other.  All arose out of the void, that's a very spiritual notion.  the difference being that mystics seek to confirm this for themselves experientially.


How exactly do they do that?


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And I mean it makes sense.  If we are the culmination of a process that began with the big bang, and it exploded out of void, then doesn't that infer that void is to be found at the center of our beings? It doesn't take tooo much of a poetic leap to see how that could be true.


You believe this may be true, but you have absolutely no evidence to back it up. :flowstone:


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    #14361367 - 04/27/11 04:18 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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I praise the flying spaghetti monster. Prove him wrong, i dare you. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence




There is copious amounts of evidence against the Flying Spaghetti Monster.  Of all the gods invented, the FSM has among the most evidence denying its existence.  (of course demanding 'proof' is an unrealistic and unreasonable expectation)





please list evidence against FSM. Im extremely offended that you dont believein my god




FSM is defined to be made from spaghetti.  Spaghetti is defined as a noodle that comes from processed grains.  In thousands of years of production, and millions of humans consuming spaghetti it has been observed never to fly and never to be sentient.  Hence, this is evidence against the existence of a flying spaghetti monster.  Its pretty easy actually, this sort of reasoning is why we dont believe in a flying spaghetti monster (as well as other mythical beings like unicorns and the tooth fairy).

The more traits a mythical being has associated with it, the more evidence there will be to support or deny its existence.


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    #14361532 - 04/27/11 04:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

what are you talking about?

my FSM is above our world, it does not matter that we eat spaghetti or make it from grain, he has been here since before the beginning of time. The spaghetti we eat is his sacrament, you'd better be careful man, he is listening to you right now


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    #14361545 - 04/27/11 04:53 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what are you talking about?

my FSM is above our world, it does not matter that we eat spaghetti or make it from grain, he has been here since before the beginning of time. The spaghetti we eat is his sacrament, you'd better be careful man, he is listening to you right now




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    #14362597 - 04/27/11 07:48 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what are you talking about?

my FSM is above our world, it does not matter that we eat spaghetti or make it from grain, he has been here since before the beginning of time. The spaghetti we eat is his sacrament, you'd better be careful man, he is listening to you right now




Then it is not made of spaghetti.  Spaghetti is defined as being of grains from our world.  You cant have it both ways. 

If you want to make a claim regarding a spaghetti-like being, then that is an entirely different claim.


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    #14362655 - 04/27/11 08:01 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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what are you talking about?

my FSM is above our world, it does not matter that we eat spaghetti or make it from grain, he has been here since before the beginning of time. The spaghetti we eat is his sacrament, you'd better be careful man, he is listening to you right now




Then it is not made of spaghetti.  Spaghetti is defined as being of grains from our world.  You cant have it both ways. 

If you want to make a claim regarding a spaghetti-like being, then that is an entirely different claim.




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    #14362670 - 04/27/11 08:02 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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    #14362682 - 04/27/11 08:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I dont have to prove it, spaghetti is defined that way.  Definitions are made up - they are not inherent.

And again, placing a burden of 'proof' in this context rather than a burden of 'evidence' is a naive and unrealistic expectation.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DieCommie]
    #14362726 - 04/27/11 08:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The FSM is First Pasta.

Ours is but a poor imitation that attempts to pay homage to His Noodlyness.

You're using logic to try to understand the transcendent. I used to be like you. Open your third eye and accept the Holy Sauce into your heart. Then you will understand.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Diploid]
    #14362918 - 04/27/11 08:50 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You dont fight faith with faith, you fight it with reason.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DieCommie]
    #14363003 - 04/27/11 09:03 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

> You dont fight faith with faith, you fight it with reason.

The FSM is the only reason I need.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Seuss]
    #14363965 - 04/28/11 12:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I dont have to prove FSM, He teaches that we must have faith in him at all times. Spinach devil has taken control of your body, and youre speaking in tongues!
repent! :god:

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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14364232 - 04/28/11 12:49 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

this thread would have been hilarious in like 2003


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Dragonaut]
    #14366711 - 04/28/11 02:28 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Dragonaut said:
Religious folks can not see the "sillyness" or "absurdity" of their "myths", as you call them, because they have divine proof: The Word of God, aka (insert name of any holy text here).:smile:

My question is: If God really is all-powerful, omnipotent, infinitely wise, and telepathically communicative, -- as he is claimed to be -- why would he/she/it not be able, nor willing to directly impart universal awareness of himself into our cerebral cortexes? Why instead speak vicariously through texts written by less knowledgeable beings who might contort or omit His word to suit their own agenda?

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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14366752 - 04/28/11 02:39 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Being from Georgia explains a lot. Using my psychic powers, I would posit that you are a Baptist.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14366763 - 04/28/11 02:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Nooooo. lol  I'm hardly even Christian. Probably closer to Agnostic. And DEFINITELY not Baptist.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14366770 - 04/28/11 02:44 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

You have not been exposed to a heavy Baptist influence?

And what does 'closer to' mean?


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14366779 - 04/28/11 02:49 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Well, by closer, I mean a bunch of times I'm just confused and apathetic.
& No. I avoid Baptists.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14366874 - 04/28/11 03:10 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

I'm from georgia, grew up around a lot of baptists.  Most of those people confuse social acceptance with the love of God, although they do have access to this true evangelical spirit


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14367066 - 04/28/11 03:51 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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guruu said:
I'm from georgia...


Oh yeah, I forgot--figures. :hillbilly:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Poid]
    #14367102 - 04/28/11 03:57 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

There's a lot worse than Georgia!
There's... Well, there's...
Yeah. There's nothing worse than Georgia. -_-


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14368699 - 04/28/11 08:42 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

i live in atlanta its way different. its fuckin dope.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14368796 - 04/28/11 08:59 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, the evangelical spirit is high there, but so is the crime - annually ranking in the top 25 out of 400 cities surveyed.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14369658 - 04/28/11 11:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

yeah but that also makes it sort of raw and edgy and awesome, although the violence is lame


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14369660 - 04/28/11 11:22 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, the evangelical spirit is high there, but so is the crime - annually ranking in the top 25 out of 400 cities surveyed.



Haha. Exactly, which is why I hate going to Atlanta.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14369709 - 04/28/11 11:34 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

thats funny i hate going to dalton


:rofl: sorry couldn't resist.  srsly though atl rules.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: g00ru]
    #14371429 - 04/29/11 09:08 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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guruu said:
thats funny i hate going to dalton


:rofl: sorry couldn't resist.  srsly though atl rules.




Haha, I could understand why. There's nothing here.

& Atlanta's cool, I'm just paranoid and shit bricks when I accidentally end up in the not-so-great parts of town. :P


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger] * 1
    #14371437 - 04/29/11 09:11 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

The south suuuuucks. :frown:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: Poid]
    #14371587 - 04/29/11 10:00 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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The south suuuuucks. :frown:



Eh. Idk. It's too hot. And there's too many Baptists.
But that's off-topic.


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14371615 - 04/29/11 10:09 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

Ramen. :FSM1:


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Re: Flying Spaghetti Monster [Re: DeliriumTrigger]
    #14376828 - 04/30/11 12:21 PM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Dragonaut said:
Religious folks can not see the "sillyness" or "absurdity" of their "myths", as you call them, because they have divine proof: The Word of God, aka (insert name of any holy text here).:smile:

My question is: If God really is all-powerful, omnipotent, infinitely wise, and telepathically communicative, -- as he is claimed to be -- why would he/she/it not be able, nor willing to directly impart universal awareness of himself into our cerebral cortexes? Why instead speak vicariously through texts written by less knowledgeable beings who might contort or omit His word to suit their own agenda?

:watchingyou:




If you held a gun to a woman's head, and told her to love you, it wouldn't be real love. Likewise, God wouldn't want to make everyone believe/love him.




"God" DOES hold a metaphorical gun to our heads. If we don't believe, we're all going to hell, the worst place you could imagine. It's worse than getting shot in the head 10,000 times...allegedly. Explain why god does not want everyone to believe, and rationalize for the practice of evangelism.


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