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Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve?
    #14353516 - 04/26/11 04:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hi..

here's pictures with my 4 precious little cakes..
i am using a fabreze bottle to spray 6-8 times a day, and fan 2 or 3 times.
As you can see in the pics, had to use paper towels on the bottom of the FC.

is there anything you can guess i might be able to do better, judging from those pictures? it's the first flush, they've pinned about 10 days ago or more. growth speed has been stable. got 2 aborts, on different cakes.







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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14353532 - 04/26/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Should have dunked n rolled em, to get a good pinset its all about the little pockets of evaporated moisture you really only get when you cover the cake 

Other than that your misting fan cycle seems ok just be sure to not directly mist

What did you use to make those cakes?  And why cant you get perlite??


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14353609 - 04/26/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Should have dunked n rolled em, to get a good pinset its all about the little pockets of evaporated moisture you really only get when you cover the cake 

Other than that your misting fan cycle seems ok just be sure to not directly mist

What did you use to make those cakes?  And why cant you get perlite??




thank you for your answer, sir.

I forgot to mention that I *did* dunk them, but didn't roll them because I lacked the necessary vermiculite.

By directly misting, do you mean spraying water on the cakes? I have been doing that extensively since the beginning, my FC is too small to avoid that, but perhaps I can improvise something in this regard.

The cakes are typical verm & brf.

if the general consensus is that it's essential for a shocking improvement, I shall attempt to find some perlite, can't be impossible.


Edited by mooshroom (04/26/11 05:36 AM)


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14353627 - 04/26/11 05:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

after this first flush I would advise a dunk AND ROLL.  See how most of your pins come from where there is still verm

When you mist you gotta let the mist lightly fall on the cake from above because a direct stream will cause a pin to abort


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14353753 - 04/26/11 06:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

if your from the uk like i, and im guessing your are due to the tesco bags lol then perlite and verm can be baught in wilkinsons for like £1.50 per bag, also they can be found in b'n'q/homebase and also in garden centres.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14353757 - 04/26/11 06:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

problem is slightly too low of humidity, not direct misting. direct misting is normal.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14353884 - 04/26/11 07:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thank you bigpaul for the tip. quite pleasantly surprised to come across another fellow islander.

Blindtheeye -- that is an interesting observation indeed.

anonjon -- so you are betting on increasing the humidity and rolling the cakes in verm?

as for direct misting, i haven't been shooting water at the pins from a hose :smile:


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14353926 - 04/26/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

When you roll in Vermiculite you are essentially casing the cake. By doing this it causes its own micro habitat and increacing the humidity. This step Im sure will improve your growth this can be done at the end of this flush.BUT next time you birth a cake do the dunk and roll. Shroom on Bro!:goodluck:


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mountainman01]
    #14354003 - 04/26/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

shit who cares about dunk and roll now. he needs some Perlite, and im pretty sure the only reason those cakes look as good as they do without rolling them is becuase he IS directly misting them


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: darkhawk37]
    #14354063 - 04/26/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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shit who cares about dunk and roll now. he needs some Perlite, and im pretty sure the only reason those cakes look as good as they do without rolling them is becuase he IS directly misting them




amusingly, the compliment triggered my motivation to go buy the perlite :laugh:


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14354428 - 04/26/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No worries mooshroom you cant really go wrong with wilkinsons its the cheapest iv seen and can be found in the gardening section. Also not sure where you get your BRF but i found some in Holland and Barrett for £1.59 for a 500g packet which is enough for many many cakes. I have just started my first grow of cams and they are colonizing great in my tesco half pin plastic jars, pack of 3 for 99p and they are PC'able.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14354452 - 04/26/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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problem is slightly too low of humidity, not direct misting. direct misting is normal.



I thought High Humidity was the cause of short fat shrooms, I learned something new today!


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: DynGBreeD]
    #14354475 - 04/26/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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problem is slightly too low of humidity, not direct misting. direct misting is normal.



I thought High Humidity was the cause of short fat shrooms, I learned something new today!




I made no such generalization. I looked at those cakes and they look dry and are pinning mostly at the bottom. Don't jump to conclusions too easily in this hobby.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14354492 - 04/26/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know they look glistening wet, the cakes look dry to me because they haven't fuzzed up at all like you would normally see. And of course it's a no brainer if you look at his fruiting chamber setup.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14354493 - 04/26/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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problem is slightly too low of humidity, not direct misting. direct misting is normal.



I thought High Humidity was the cause of short fat shrooms, I learned something new today!




I made no such generalization. I looked at those cakes and they look dry and are pinning mostly at the bottom. Don't jump to conclusions too easily in this hobby.



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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14354527 - 04/26/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What does the FC look like?  Shotgun?  If u are misting 7-8 times a day the problem certainly is not the humidity,  I would be more concerned about the FAE then humidity.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14354599 - 04/26/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No worries mooshroom you cant really go wrong with wilkinsons its the cheapest iv seen and can be found in the gardening section. Also not sure where you get your BRF but i found some in Holland and Barrett for £1.59 for a 500g packet which is enough for many many cakes. I have just started my first grow of cams and they are colonizing great in my tesco half pin plastic jars, pack of 3 for 99p and they are PC'able.




aghh went to three different types of pound shops, none of them had verm or perlite..

but what about the SwellGel?
http://www.swellgel.co.uk/product_info.html
would this be an alternative to perlite? it looks like crystals of salt.

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What does the FC look like?  Shotgun?  If u are misting 7-8 times a day the problem certainly is not the humidity,  I would be more concerned about the FAE then humidity.




ahh it's just a plastic box with several layers of paper towels on the bottom. not even holes in the walls, but wouldn't fanning 2-3 times a day be sufficient?

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I know they look glistening wet, the cakes look dry to me because they haven't fuzzed up at all like you would normally see. And of course it's a no brainer if you look at his fruiting chamber setup.




should i inject them with water before the next flush?


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14354622 - 04/26/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

b'n'q or homebase sell both verm and perlite as do wilkinsons. if you have no joy those three then a trip to your local garden centre should provide what you need. but i get mine from wilkinsons purely because i am tight and they are so cheap lol

With regards to that other stuff... it looks great to me and seems to do the same job as perlite but dont take my word for it as i am a newb. maybe more experienced cultivators will give their opinions?


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14355146 - 04/26/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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should i inject them with water before the next flush?




If by inject with you mean submerge in, then yes.

Cakes are dense and hydrate slowly. You can't pump them full of water with a syringe.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14355443 - 04/26/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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should i inject them with water before the next flush?




If by inject with you mean submerge in, then yes.

Cakes are dense and hydrate slowly. You can't pump them full of water with a syringe.




oh, but i thought this was a known tek used in such cases?

mind you, i did dunk them for 12 hours before this flush!


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14355473 - 04/26/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

do it every flush


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: anonjon]
    #14355543 - 04/26/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I fan and mist my mono tubs several times a day and have 6 1.5" holes stuffed with polyfil.  No I dont think fanning is enough at all. Go to  RR video on BRF and click on the 3rd video.  You want something like this.


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: nushie]
    #14356516 - 04/26/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ooookay... more unusual fruitting patterns:

despite having a couple of fully open caps on some cakes (picked them; some of them RELEASED NO PORES?!, i.e. no purple powder appeared despite concave caps), pins keep appearing while the other numerous fruits have yet to mature!! constant flushing?! how am i gunna dunk&roll them if they wanna do that?!

today i over-misted, to check if i was doing it too little. well, it caused some aborts, so i will return to my usual misting patterns. tomorrow i'll test fanning more often.

also, few more pics:





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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14366640 - 04/28/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

covered the bottom of the box with a thick layer of water crystals, turned all cakes upside down (perhaps the fruits were having difficulties pushing their way because of the weight of the cake?), and injected two of them with 10cc of water.

let's see what happens..

also considering to make some holes in the walls of the box -- what is the rationale behind that, if anyone minds a brief explanation?


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14366777 - 04/28/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Constant FAE


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: nushie]
    #14368102 - 04/28/11 04:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you got some reading to do my friend


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: Blindtheeye]
    #14368166 - 04/28/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i actually remember reading that p cubensis don't really even need that much FAE, oyster shrooms are the ones being more bothered about CO2

anyway, been fanning and now upgraded the fc with holes. tomorrow will move the fc closer to the window as well. something really isn't right, and i don't know what. will update with daytime pictures.


Edited by mooshroom (04/28/11 05:06 PM)


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14372549 - 04/29/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)










mention: this is the *third* week of their first flush. had them upside down until a few days ago.

any diagnostics?


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Re: Many pins, slow growth, dwarf fruits -- can i improve? [Re: mooshroom]
    #14372643 - 04/29/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i actually remember reading that p cubensis don't really even need that much FAE, oyster shrooms are the ones being more bothered about CO2

anyway, been fanning and now upgraded the fc with holes. tomorrow will move the fc closer to the window as well. something really isn't right, and i don't know what. will update with daytime pictures.



hahaha no one with more an actual grow has ever told u that


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