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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14345275 - 04/24/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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people who have completed fallout3 have a better chance of surviving the future





scientists are predicting that the future will be more futuristic than predicted




shenanigans


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
    #14345340 - 04/24/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's about time we all die

fucking humans


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Cherk]
    #14345356 - 04/24/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it's about time we all die

fucking humans




I second this, If we were to measure humanities greatest achievements in sheer impact of our collective actions, they would be famine, toxification of the planet,depletion of resources and wildlife.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14345456 - 04/24/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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she's a medical doctard, not a nuclear physicist, she's also an anti nuclear
activist so it's certainly not like she doesnt have an agenda, where's the
independent verification from these guys the 'knew' the GE reactors at
fukushima were defective





She is a naysayer and a doomsdayer.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14345511 - 04/24/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shes saying something you dont wanna hear is all, Wheres anybody saying anything to the contrary that dont have anything to gain in doing so? Japan sure as fuck has a reason to lie left and right about it and so does the media.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14345623 - 04/24/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Shes saying something you dont wanna hear is all, Wheres anybody saying anything to the contrary that dont have anything to gain in doing so? Japan sure as fuck has a reason to lie left and right about it and so does the media.





Nah, you don't know me, so you can't tell me what I want to hear.  I have nothing to gain and I say to the contrary.  If she's right, it doesn't matter what any of us think.  Some people get cancer some people don't.  She was using cancer statistics, and like she says, "A bump on your breasts won't tell you what caused it."  She's talking about cancer caused 5 to 60 years down the road.  There is no science to back up what she is saying, only some correlations.  Just my opinion.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14345650 - 04/24/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There is no science to back up what she is saying, only some correlations.  Just my opinion.




I think she knows more science than you; I'm going with her


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14345680 - 04/24/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hiroshima was over 60 years ago, Chernobyl is close to 30 along with the gulf war where DP was used almost exclusively and there's gonna be hard data on the long term effects of radiation to residents by now on all those incidents. Also she has a doctorate and has dedicated herself to the study of radiation release and the likes for a good portion of her life Shes a person who is well informed on the shit shes talking about.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14345781 - 04/24/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll believe her when I see it.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14345795 - 04/24/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well you wont be seeing it in the media or hearing about it from Japans government, Unless anybody wants to waste time researching her claims and posting the documents to back her claims up you wont be seeing much of anything anytime soon :shrug:

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #14346465 - 04/24/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'll believe her when I see it.




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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353149 - 04/26/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you already know then:rolleyes:


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cacharstar said:
Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to.  Do you know what a quantum leap is?  :fishing:




:facepalm:

New age hippie Garbage







Not really.  The bible supports it.

Would you feel better if I said fallen angels tryin to get back to heaven:shrug:




:lolsy:

Perhaps,
In the context of the bible were moving out of the age of the jesus fish and into the 7th age of the first eon of man, Aquarius.




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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353314 - 04/26/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well you wont be seeing it in the media or hearing about it from Japans government, Unless anybody wants to waste time researching her claims and posting the documents to back her claims up you wont be seeing much of anything anytime soon :shrug:



So it's one of those "it can't be proven because everyone keeps their trap shut about it" things, huh? Or in one word: immunization.

I didn't watch the video, but let me share a general observation about the perceptions of health risks related to nuclear disasters. When it comes to long-term effects, the public appears to split into four groups. One group doesn't know exactly what's going on, and is prepared to follow anyone with a plausible argument. The second group consists of outspoken proponents of nuclear energy, and they will systematically downplay any risks. This is the category in which the people fit who keep stating that Chernobyl has only caused something like 33 verified deaths. Then there's the category who takes the opposite stance, stating that the number of deaths related to man-made nuclear fallout is always much higher than any authority or research group is willing to recognize. This is the category where Mrs. Caldicott seems to fit in. Then the final group contains a handful of individuals who try to see the nuanced picture, recognizing the coin could flip either way on each incident, and who try to keep their eyes open on actual data or hints that tell something about what's really going on. None of the four groups knows exactly what the extent of damage is that is done by radioactive fallout. The simple reason for this is that the major accidents we know have happened, such as Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki have not been followed up systematically with long-term studies compensating for important factors related to cancer. Incidental analysis has been performed on specific groups of people, such as Chernobyl's biorobots (i.e. the liquidators). None of these studies have been able to establish with certainty what, in the cases where significant health effects were noted, the cause for any long-term effects was and what the underlying mechanisms were.

This leaves us in a sort of academic vacuum, in which anyone can basically say what he or she wants, without being afraid to be called back by researcher X or official Y who does know exactly what's going on. And until X or Y arises, anyone can believe what (s)he wants, it's a simple as that. But this also means that any belief is as valid as any other, meaning that for now, neither the blatant optimists nor the catatonic pessimists can rely on any form of moral superiority over the other group. This is a fact that is completely ignored by those who are the most active in the debate on nuclear energy. And that annoys the FUCK out of me.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: koraks] * 1
    #14353323 - 04/26/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It must annoy the fuck out of you, You did just write up a mini essay for a thread people were basically chatting in.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #14353333 - 04/26/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, people passing judgement over something they are essentially clueless about always gets to me. And I'm not just referring to the people in this thread here; it's ok to chat and exchange views. It's those retards who don't have a clue but still try to get everyone to join their camp. Fuck that shit. If someone knows what (s)he's talking about, I'll listen. If someone doesn't, but still tries to convince me of something, I'll start making annoying sounds.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353465 - 04/26/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If what she says is true..

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First BP now this




I'll have 1,000 of those over 1 thats like her description of whats happening at Fukushima.

Damn I had high hopes for nuclear fission power.

If this is true its the worst man made catastrophy in all of history, and may kill more people than all wars of the 20st century over centuries to come.

Poor poor Japan.


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353469 - 04/26/11 03:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It must annoy the fuck out of you, You did just write up a mini essay for a thread people were basically chatting in.




:facepalm:

He's the first person in this thread with anything intelligent or useful to say and you belittle him with your cool guy arrogance


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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: propensity]
    #14353475 - 04/26/11 03:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What? :rofl: My cool guy arrogance, I wasnt even trying to belittle him, hes just making it a little obvious how much nuclear related bigotry pisses him off and I was commenting on it.

Still butthurt cause I didnt get my panties in a bunch over some faggot tossing a dog off a roof eh? :rolleyes:

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Asante] * 2
    #14353517 - 04/26/11 04:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've watched the video now. It's uncanny. Mrs. Caldicott states many things that are true, but laces her story with statements that appear factual, but are extremely misleading. To mention a few of such statements:
- "40% of Europe is still radioactive because of Chernobyl." Yes, radioactivity from Chernobyl is measurable in those areas where it was deposited. But not to an extent that it is dangerous; measurable is not the same as unacceptably dangerous. Background radiation is measurable as well. And the influence of open-air nuclear testing by the USA and the USSR are still present as well. So she might as well have stated that 100% of Europe is radioactive due to open-air nuclear testing by the USA and the USSR.
- "Don't buy Turkish food, as it is dangerously radioactive." She mentions in particular Turkish tea. This study suggest that the consumption of Turkish tea would result in an annual dose of 385nSv. Normal exposure of a human being as a result of background radiation is about 3.6mSv annually (3,600,000nSv). So the radiation effects of Turkish tea are completely insignificant. But again, it's measurable, so it's conveniently used to frighten people.
- "The radionuclides that land in the ocean and on the land are accumulated in organisms, which gets progressively worse towards the top of the food chain". While especially some heavy metals indeed tend to accumulate in some species, this is not true for all radionuclides (which are not all heavy metals, but many are) in all organisms, which is what is implied in the video.
- "Each dose you get adds to your risk of getting cancer." Again, true in essence, but a lot more nuanced in practice. Each chest x-ray or CT scan adds to your risk of contracting cancer, but how big is the additional risk on top of the normal exposure to background radiation and other factors that may cause cancer?

I get the impression from Mrs. Caldicott that if you want to stay safe, you should hide in a lead-clad concrete bunker 1 mile underground and not eat anything for the rest of your considerably shortened life. In my opinion, this video adds nothing to the debate on nuclear energy. It doesn't contain any new information, it doesn't convey a new viewpoint on historical or actual events, it doesn't contain a well-constructed argument. It's blatant fear mongering that may be effective with the ill-informed masses.


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hes just making it a little obvious how much nuclear related bigotry pisses him off and I was commenting on it.




Thanks, that's the word: bigotry. That's what this video is.

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: koraks]
    #14353529 - 04/26/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That whole post was on point! You could easily school that bigot in a debate.

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