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Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow
    #14353391 - 04/26/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Shroomers, Psyeye here in Sydney AU... What a glorious haven of wise souls and knowledge I have stumbled into, thanks all you shroomers out there that have contributed to this amazing place which has given me all I needed to reassure me that it is possible to create a garden of sacred gold. My Nanna, with my advice and the help of you all at the shroomery can finally grow her own mushrooms.

Nanna started shrooming when she was a teenager, she spent many years wandering with the sacred fungus and left for a long while to join the rat race and raise littleuns. She's ready to explore our universe further with them again now and has asked me to post pics and data here of her first grow.

Nanna is going with pftek, WBS, Shotgun, monotub, casing, straw and outdoor teks for her first attempts, each with a little experimentation as well. She's got a bit of nouse doesn't muck around my Nanna. She's asked me to post pics, data and results as well as any issues she may stumble into in case you guys wanna lend her your learnednesses.

Nanna also loves to cook so we'll post some hearty old school mushroom recipes to soothe the stomach.

Here's a pic of me and my Nanna

( legal disclaimer: Not really me or Nanna:P )

We're here for the long haul Nanna and me so we look forward to learning the ropes here and contributing to this vibrant little community.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14353410 - 04/26/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Right on good luck with the grow! If you do stumble across problems, this is the spot to come to.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14353414 - 04/26/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wow, with that many tek's you're bound to have success :mushroom2:  And even outdoor, intriguing. 

I'm just a new mycologist, working on a first grow for my own Nanna as well.  Good luck!


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Tightsqueeze]
    #14353419 - 04/26/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Your nanna has quite a beard going there.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Tightsqueeze]
    #14353429 - 04/26/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

something about nanas eh? mine has just converted her garage into a 35 plant growroom and sativa research kitchen.  love to nanas everywhere...xxx


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14353436 - 04/26/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ganjabonga. Thanks dude

Tightsqueeze. Cheers mate, yeah Nanna is a bit of a scientist so she is experimenting and collecting data on different teks

guywiththegun. she's proud too bro, took years to get it looking just the way she wants it

shroomzi8.

BTW Nanna got her spores from Sporeworks She's got some Texan, B+ and Ecuador in jars now which she successfully inoculated from prints. After this first run she plans to also grow some PES Hawaiian and, if the gods smile upon her, semilanceata...


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14356772 - 04/26/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a couple of shots from Nannas nook...

The pftek brf verm with texan off to a start


The B+ strain on WBS cranking



Thanks for lookin in on my Nanna and me:smile: More soon


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14356909 - 04/26/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damn...thats some chunky verm! :ooo:

But all in all...looks good!:cheers: Your wbs might be lil bit too wet,but i thnk it will be just fine! Did u shake it?


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14356922 - 04/26/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I can't even see the BRF in that jar, but it must be there since there's growth.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14357434 - 04/26/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perun, yeah man, Nanna found out it came in differents grades afterwards... I agree her WBS is too wet, she was interrupted straining it and it was cool aready when she got back. She shook each of the WBS Jars after innoculating then left them to settle in. Most of them are taking hold. Should she shake them again?

Guywiththegun. yeah bro, it's in there

Thanks for lookin out for me friends


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14357468 - 04/26/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)


Greetings from my nanna.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Luger0815]
    #14357753 - 04/26/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You have an even distribution on Mycelium in those jars so shaking would not be recommended.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: nushie]
    #14358761 - 04/26/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Luger0815. your nanna looks hardcore too, us 4 would have a wildass party

nushie. thanks for the tip mate, saved Nanna from a silly mistake no doubt

Nanna says High :hi:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: nushie]
    #14359335 - 04/27/11 02:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You have an even distribution on Mycelium in those jars so shaking would not be recommended.





I would not agree with that! Shaking(at 25-50%) is the best way to speed up colonization and to find out is there some hiden contam,cuz when u shake, mycelium should recover in next 48hrs if not...there is contam! I even sometimes shake when is 100% and then leave them to recover before spawning just to be 100% sure! So yeah...i think you should/could shake!

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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14361583 - 04/27/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perun. thanks for the tip bro, Nanna shook 4 of 12 to confirm or deny the practicality of doing so, will report results in a couple of days.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14361771 - 04/27/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Perun. thanks for the tip bro, Nanna shook 4 of 12 to confirm or deny the practicality of doing so, will report results in a couple of days.





No problem! Any time!  :hatsoff:

I think you are gonna be more than happy with results! :smile:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14363040 - 04/27/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perun. Time will tell brother... thanks again for your input


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14363609 - 04/27/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

RR said 4 days for myc to recover 100% after shake. I only shake mine if they are lagging behind the others and the others look like they will be 100% in 4-5 days. I usually just make one GLC and noc a bunch of jars. When I noc them I do a circle around the glass and then dribble some in a few spots in the middle till I think it hit the bottom. I then give them their one and only shake because when they start growing they are growing everywhere, inside and out and there is no reason to shake.

And really, what are the chances that you are going to have a hidden contam inside of a clean GLC noced jar if you are clean, your air is clean(Oust 10 minutes before), your work area/tools are ready/clean, you follow all sterile procedures with the inoc process, and your grain has been properly sterilized and has maybe been over cooked for 30 ticks. I like my rye a little shriveled so I can shoot 10-20 cc into each jar and shakem like a Magic 8 Ball and they just plump right back up. Is it bad that I PC my rye for 2 hours at 15 psi, am I robbing the myc of anything?

Now for the MS noc of the GLC rye jar, that is a different story. With a MS inoc you could have a stray contam gamete and it could mate with another contam gamete of the opposite sex and turn into a myc eating mold half way through the colonization. Or there could even be mold spores in a MS syringe, unless you made it in a "clean room" from an isolate and you made isolates of every visible change in myc, found the best one and cloned the fastest most potent fruit and make a mother jar. Am I right?


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14365050 - 04/28/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3n1gm4. Thanks again mate, you've been most informative, Nanna shook her jars once after noccing them with abt 5ccs of spore solution then left them until now shaking 4 of them. I plan to move them to casing in 3 days so RRs timeframe suits me just fine :grin: She's def looking forward to trying some LC with your method soon :cheers: tripper


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14365070 - 04/28/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ooooHHH,  you should never shake a jar shot up with spores, you only shake GLC or LC jars after noc to distribute the already growing myc. When you shake a spore inoced jar it just spreads the boys and girls apart and makes it harder for them to find each other to make mycellium. If you have any spore syringe left I would drip a few drops on each spot you shot up earlier to make it more likely they will colonize.

Sorry didn't mean to mislead you I just assumed that you read that I was using a GLC when I shook my jars right after noc. If you use a GLC it has already mated and is growing myc in a liquid solution, so when you shoot a jar with it you shake to distribute the myc so it will grow throughout the whole jar with no more shaking. Spores have to find a friend and if you shake you just make it harder or impossible for them to find each other. Don't worry though, it will probably still work especially if you have a few ccs of spores left and drip it on the glass all the way around and in the middle. Not too much though, easy on the thumb.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14365119 - 04/28/11 03:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Also 5 ccs is almost enough to do 3 quarts of rye with spores, 11/2 ccs is plenty for a quart if you place the spore drops in the right places. You tilt the jar and insert the needle and get it as close to the glass as you can, let the spores drip out and run down inside of the glass jar (just 3 or 4 drops should reach the bottom of the jar), then you move the needle so it is pointing at a different part of the jar and repeat. Do that in 3-4 spots and then 4-5 drops right on the top middle. Don't shake and set them on a shelf somewhere and forget about them for two weeks. Doing it like that with spores will make it grow on top and in 3 stripes going down the sides to bottom where you let the spores run down the glass. After the jar looks 30-50% white then you beat it on something soft but solid like a bike tire or your hand if u aint a sissy. Break up all the stuck together white grain, then shake it like a magic 8 ball to evenly distribute the colonized grains through the whole jar.

Sorry!, if your jars don't work I have an EQ print I will mail to you to make up for it if you want it, I have 5 fresh prints. You can make 3-4 good syringes with a spore print. I didn't even think about how I was talking about GLCs and you are new. :facepalm3:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14365147 - 04/28/11 03:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3n1gm4. the jars were nocced up over a week ago (I saw your thread today) and I only saw warnings against shaking spores recently... All seems to be going great guns here tho mate. will check the jars Nanna reshook tmorro. All is moving exceptionally well in Nannas nook for her first jars. She is most pleased

Here's what she's working with






You can see the WBS and BRF colonised in more of a mat than the WBS alone in the 500ml cakes. it seems to be a more extensive coverage at this point. shd be able to tell better when Nanna births them

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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14365152 - 04/28/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3n1gm4 . hahaah, all is good here bro, Nanna is a very fast learner (she's got a big fat IQ and is a bit of a scientist and a total tripper)She's intentionally trying out a few teks off the mark so as to learn as quickly as possible. She has had a strong connection with the earth and shrooms for a long time. My gut tells me that she's got a white thumb and with a bit of practice will become a solid contributor like yourself. Thanks for the spore offer too bro, most righteous! I'm sure all is good here, it wont be necessary;)


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14365257 - 04/28/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

These are the best teks for noobs in my opinion, I don't like brf cakes, bulk is much easier and more rewarding with much less effort. Set and forget, mix it, put it in a closet for 10-14 days and then fruit it.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14186384/page/1

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6817701/page/1

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8231041/an/0/page/2]

Here are all the links you could wish for http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11961453


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14367177 - 04/28/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

3n1gm4. :cheers: again mate, some solid reading there too, Nanna plans to case in a few days so your timing is perfect  :thanx:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14383047 - 05/01/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Soo... Shaking the WBS jars... not a win at all yet. 4 days later and no regrowth of the abundant mycelium that was there. Luckily only 4 of 12 were shook, the others are ready for casing.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14383211 - 05/01/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Contam!!! Be sure in that!!!


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14386709 - 05/02/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun. yep, nanna made her WBS was waay too wet I think... she cased some pint jars today though, they smelled great :smile:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14386725 - 05/02/11 02:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Too wet = bacteria!

Well...next time you are not gonna do the same mistake,so its all good! :smile: Best way of learning is from your own mistakes...trust me! :smile: First time i did grains i did it too wet and all but 2 jars were bacteria contaminated...and i did 15 of them! LoL


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14391119 - 05/02/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's some updates from my Nanna <3

Pint WBS


Half Quart PF


and half and Quarts all chugging along nicely


Nanna says to say Hi:hi: and :thanx:


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    #14393858 - 05/03/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Try adding some gypsum to your next soak of grains or WBS, when it comes time, it makes them shake and recover much easier and faster, and also speeds up colonization.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14401261 - 05/04/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thanks again 3n1gm4, I just bought some gypsum yesterday for Nanna. She used it in some coir/verm bulk, I'll post pics of her sexy terariums soon


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14406237 - 05/05/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well well well... lookee what nanna had stashed in her garage...



these guys are nearly ready for action


Here's some that she prepared earlier


and her first bulk sub terrarium (kept in the dark and sealed 'cept for the pic


Nanna says Hi :hi:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14406271 - 05/05/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry,but...that is just WRONG!!! Yeah...it might work,yeah you are gonna get SOME fruits,but...Do you really want Might and Some??? U know...do it right man!


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14407346 - 05/05/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun. Where do you see fail bro?


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14407485 - 05/05/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the inability to fully exchange air in that bulk sub terrarium of yours might stunt growth?  Just because its deep with a small top.  I'm pretty sure it will work though! Maybe make a duct that rams some air to the bottom would help? 

Tell your Nana good work on the grain colonizing!  You will need a larger surface area to spawn all that at a standard spawning ratio though.  Look into bins, totes, and/or trays and such.  A jug may be a good choice for a conversation piece or bedside curio, but with that amount of spawn you have to think bigger.

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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Jayslay]
    #14408882 - 05/06/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for chiming in Jayslay, what about dropping an airstone (fish tank bubbler in there?


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    #14408905 - 05/06/11 07:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, just try it the invitro style like it is.
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    #14409747 - 05/06/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You could try one of these, they are pretty cheap, don't know if it works yet because I haven't used mine. You have to get pump separately though.



I got it from here for $13

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    #14410391 - 05/06/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

3n1gm4. that's a fine piece of kit mate, thanks! I'll look into finding one

Nannas got a few totes that she'll be prepping as sgfcs soon, her jars are almost all done :laugh:


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    #14417126 - 05/07/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

here's a few pics of the goings on in nannas world...

Here's her first bulk jar


and an inner shot of the happy myc


the first of many SGFCs, this one has classic pftek, in jar pftek and tomorrow dunk and roll pftek


Her jar getting indirect sun and a breeze all day, misting and fanning as well, temp 66-70, humidity 90- 100


and, what she reckons could well be her first visible knot


Thanks for the pointers guys, the more the better as nanna is a total noob... Feel free to add anything I may be missing here :cheers:


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    #14417175 - 05/07/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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here's a few pics of the goings on in nannas world...

Here's her first bulk jar






When you fruit that thing how are you going to get enough FAE down in there to evaporate the sub moisture and make it pin? There are no holes?


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    #14420354 - 05/08/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

3n1gm4. Nanna has a little clip on fan that she'll use on and off, it will be a bit manual but it's ok, she's got bulk trays and cakes and and and... plenty to experiment with and learn from;)


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    #14428193 - 05/10/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

total noob post I know but Nanna is a total noob... just wanna ask are these trays ready for casing?

B+ on WBS and Coir/verm with gypsum


Ecuador on WBS and Coir/verm with gypsum


If so, is it really as simple as adding a field capacity verm layer? how thick?

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    #14429015 - 05/10/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I was told by ProfessorPinhead that miracle grow potting mix, the kind that is just top soil with no miracle grow in it at field capacity in a 1/4 inch layer works wonders for pinsets. I personally don't know. If I were you I would ask on both the AMU and IRF threads, they both have TCs that will answer your question promptly. I have also heard that coir sucks as a casing layer, casings should have little to no nutes for myc to eat so that they don't consume the casing, the casing layer is only there to hold moisture and humidity on the surface of the colonized bulk sub. If you let it go too long it will overlay and not pin, you want to just barely see the myc reaching through the top of casing and make sure not to get casing too thick. Faceyneck also has a help thread and knows all about casing here---> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14053924/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/8

AMU---> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14297019#14297019

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    #14429911 - 05/10/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks 3n1gm4. you just keep coming with the gold here bro... IOU! I will ensure having a solid read of those threads b4 asking... like I said, in for the long haul here, not really concerned with short term yields

After researching heavily last night I decided the trays are def ready and to go with a 50/50 peat moss verm with a little gypsum and lime. Nanna will case this morning as well as put some more grain to bulk sub... She cooked more pf jars last night and is ms innocing her first batch of PES Hawaiian this morning:grin:

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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14429955 - 05/10/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You dont really need to case cubes...i didnt noticed BIG diference cased or not and its one more contam vector(yeah fully colonized sub is very contam resistant,but...)

But if you go with casing,i think 50/50 verm/peat moss is the best way to go!

Note: Be sure you are using horticultural hydrated lime!

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    #14430199 - 05/10/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You dont really need to case cubes...i didnt noticed BIG diference cased or not and its one more contam vector(yeah fully colonized sub is very contam resistant,but...)

But if you go with casing,i think 50/50 verm/peat moss is the best way to go!

Note: Be sure you are using horticultural hydrated lime!

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I was under the impression that all of the bulk grows you see on here with amazing flushes were due to casing the sub. I was told you will get a much more even pinset by casing. Are all those amazing flushes due to the people isolating with agar and they just happened to case them also? I myself have never cased or isolated or cloned and my MS/GLC pinsets have all looked like this the first flush.:crazy:



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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14430352 - 05/10/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You dont really need to case cubes...i didnt noticed BIG diference cased or not and its one more contam vector(yeah fully colonized sub is very contam resistant,but...)

But if you go with casing,i think 50/50 verm/peat moss is the best way to go!

Note: Be sure you are using horticultural hydrated lime!

:cheers:




I was under the impression that all of the bulk grows you see on here with amazing flushes were due to casing the sub. I was told you will get a much more even pinset by casing. Are all those amazing flushes due to the people isolating with agar and they just happened to case them also? I myself have never cased or isolated or cloned and my MS/GLC pinsets have all looked like this the first flush.:crazy:







Its all about agar work! Isolation and cloning! All those amazing flushes are isos or clones! Casing will create nice moist micro-climate but all in all there is no BIG diference... i used to be big casing fan(cuz i started with cased rye and had gr8 1st grows)but when i moved to bulk and monos...i did a lot of monos with and lot of them without casing layer and didnt find that casing make big a diference!

BUT...if u r using bulk trays(like OP does) and your SGFC or GH or whatever u use is not properly build or tuned up casing layer can save your trays!


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14430410 - 05/10/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

TYVM for the clarification, guess that my HP jars will come in handy when I start my agar work. I just hope my can of oust and my still air room and GB is good enough to isolate with because I don't have room to build a flowhood here.:super:


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    #14430442 - 05/10/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your welcome!:hatsoff:

Good GB is good enough! More important are your sterile techniques in general and agar prep! Flame and PC are your best friends! :awethumb:


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    #14430625 - 05/10/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm glad I've been keeping up with this thread. Lately I've been frustrated by my luck from MS syringes, it's kinda gotten on my nerves. I think maybe I was just lucky with the 1 or 2 I remember being good growers, and I subsequently remember them all being that way.

Come to think of it, one of my best PE flushes was an LC clone.

I've got some plates going right now....PE MSS and PE cloned. The difference is crazy. The MSS is wispy in places, almost non-existent in others, and has very few viable looking sectors on the plate. I chalk this up to PE being a mutation-heavy strain (everytime I grow PE from MSS, before my first real flush I'll get these things I call shroomurs. Kinda like big, hallucinogenic mushroom cancers, just all cap, no shape and no stem, they grow in big amorphous blobs and when you dry them, they're the consistency of styrofoam.)

The PE clone isolate, which is the only true isolate I have, is easily the most rhizomorphic mycelium I have on a plate, except for perhaps the Lizard King MS isolates I've been working on. Those seem to be fast growers too, some are growing off the plates and I've got nothing to transfer too. I can't wait to see what they do in the fruiting chamber.


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    #14432735 - 05/10/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0

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    #14434960 - 05/11/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun and 3n1gm4, thanks for that great input brothers, I'm still on the work side of creating my first mushroom but as soon as I do I will be taking up agar as the next stage of learning. My humblest thanks to U both


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: psyeye]
    #14437368 - 05/11/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Guy w/ gun those shroom cancers you mentioned are happening to a friend of mine.. Are they soft then?


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    #14438540 - 05/12/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, real soft, almost foamlike after they dry. Still squishy after 3 days on the dehydrator, so there's no water in 'em, they just have a lotta give. They'll still get you where you need to be, but I think in MSS, these mutants are going to be common, especially with a strain like PE.


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    #14438590 - 05/12/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, real soft, almost foamlike after they dry. Still squishy after 3 days on the dehydrator, so there's no water in 'em, they just have a lotta give. They'll still get you where you need to be, but I think in MSS, these mutants are going to be common, especially with a strain like PE.




Yeah! PE will 99% of a time give those mutant blobs in first flush...but they are just as good as any fruit...some say even better!


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    #14438745 - 05/12/11 05:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, real soft, almost foamlike after they dry. Still squishy after 3 days on the dehydrator, so there's no water in 'em, they just have a lotta give. They'll still get you where you need to be, but I think in MSS, these mutants are going to be common, especially with a strain like PE.




Yeah! PE will 99% of a time give those mutant blobs in first flush...but they are just as good as any fruit...some say even better!




I thought it was a total fluke the first time I saw it happen. And I got a LOT of 'em. It was crazy-go-nuts.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14440488 - 05/12/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun and guywiththe gun, thanks a bundle for all your input! Nanna just nokked up a wealth of jars with PES Hawaiian. will be interesting to see where it goes...

Also, Nanna noticed that her nook is sitting between 13 and 18 celcius 55-65 farenheit and figured that could be the reason no pins and retarded growth are occuring in the fc. I'm buying a space heater with a thermostat for her this morning.

The large egg shaped jar with the bulk in it is approaching 100% slowly, it's all glisteny and glorious I'll take a pic soon, I'm gonna try find a small FAE fan for it today as well.

Thanks for watching over us guys! You rawk! Nanna says :hi: and if you can't be good, be good at it :naughty:


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    #14440580 - 05/12/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If u can keep it around 65 you are golden! :smile: It still gonna go a lil slow,but its gonna go good! Usaly fruits from mid 60s are more dense! I preffer to fruit around 65-70,but here where i am that is possible only 2-3 months a year!

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    #14442658 - 05/12/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun, thanks mate, I bought the cutest little oil filled space heater, it's only 1ft by 1ft, perfect for Nannas 7 by 7 nook

Here's a few pics of how things are progressing, still zero pins but hoping that my temp change will get things moving again

The chunky tray almost cooked with B+ Myc


The poor freezing SGFC now residing in a more cozy space


Nannas beautiful Jar with loads of humidity, reasonable Fae but no heat, also now in cozier territory


Nannas other Jar working it's way to readiness


The sparkly insides of same jar


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    #14445971 - 05/13/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, I got the heater in and managed to get Nannas nook up to 19' celcius (66'f) I checked briefly this morning and the cakes that looked frozen in time appear to be fluffing a little again. Phyeww...


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    #14466239 - 05/17/11 04:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bought ingredients for a PMP as well now, eta 3 days, and Nanna has nocced up her empty half quarts (pftek) and pints and bags (rye) with PES Hawaiian.

Her nook is at or just above 70'f now and she's still not seeing any pins, I did some research for her and found evaporation from FAE is apparently number 1 pinning trigger so after work each day she mists then places a box fan over each chamber for 5 mins or so... We'll see soon:)

Humble thanks to all who've contributed already and to the rest of you marvelous mushroom folk, feel free to direct this noob and his Nanna anytime :cheers:


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    #14474557 - 05/18/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All my gear for Nannas PMP arrived and I'll set it up for her tonight, meanwhile my bid to initiate pinning is progressing, ***evaporation*** has triggered the first real knots to appear in various aspects of Nannas first grow... I'll try get some pics tonight

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    #14474725 - 05/18/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Let me know how your nana does on agar so I can get some good picking the right growth tips, speed and potency is all I care about in a grow, let em turn green I can clean...my dogs like to chase mold spores away...


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    #14481463 - 05/19/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

3n1gm4, cheers bro, wil definitely do so, thanks for all your great input so far

FTR, Nanna found her first pins today, loads of knots everywhere too so abundance will provide soon...

Here's a shot of the big old jar with the bulk


there's 2 pins to the right of the right hose

and an example of what's happening all over the pftek cakes in the other glass jar


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    #14481533 - 05/19/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Chuck cakes one by one at a neighbor or enemies house, wait for a rain and a hot humid next day, look through neighbors bushes and tell them you lost your frisbee if you get caught... lol JK I don't like cakes...


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    #14481564 - 05/19/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol at your puck issues bro, maybe you were forcefed cake as a tacker? You could so go on Dr Phil, he'll have you regressing into noobdom in no time. If cakes had a lamer name I cd hate them but they're called cakes man... I dig cake


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    #14481821 - 05/19/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

LOL, I am cake challenged. I can make a killer chocolate cake with strawberry cream cheese icing though.
I don't understand why they won't even work right for me when I follow the tek to a T, maybe it is the genetics and the tubs just work because they grow easier on coir, more air pockets, better conditions.


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14495877 - 05/22/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry to hear mate, sounds like you have loads of bulk success tho... all is fruiting here atm... only 1 pic but it paints a few words



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    #14495998 - 05/22/11 08:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: looking good


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    #14496105 - 05/22/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry to hear mate, sounds like you have loads of bulk success tho... all is fruiting here atm... only 1 pic but it paints a few words





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    #14497658 - 05/23/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:cheers: I'm amazed at how fast they grow... set up a pmp and moved them because they outgrew nannas jar

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    #14498386 - 05/23/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry to hear mate, sounds like you have loads of bulk success tho... all is fruiting here atm... only 1 pic but it paints a few words







:awethumb:


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    #14501189 - 05/23/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I know man... Stoked! I'll post pics of Nannas other jar soon too, she took good care of the fae with it and it's also rocking!


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    #14505137 - 05/24/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

heres a pic of 7 texan (free spores from the sporeworks for being a shroomery member :thanx: )cakes ready to harvest in Nannas PMP





Thanks again all for your guidance and wisdom :respect:


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    #14505284 - 05/24/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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heres a pic of 7 texan (free spores from the sporeworks for being a shroomery member :thanx: )cakes ready to harvest in Nannas PMP





Thanks again all for your guidance and wisdom :respect:





Hell yeah! :laugh:

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    #14505910 - 05/24/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:awesomenod: :awesomenod: :awesomenod:


Theres a few more Texan cakes in a SGFC doing well too but the bulk chamber jar is the happiest of all with Big Phat EQ popping up all over it... pix soonz :thanx:


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    #14518038 - 05/26/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sooo for the nay sayers, Nanna says  :woot:  Her big egg shaped terrarium is very very happy. here's some pics





and here's a shot of a humble 'in jar' pftek in a sgfc, I think it's cute



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    #14519280 - 05/27/11 03:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sooo for the nay sayers, Nanna says  :woot:  Her big egg shaped terrarium is very very happy. here's some pics





and here's a shot of a humble 'in jar' pftek in a sgfc, I think it's cute



Nanna sends her lurv :heart:




I am biting my tongue! :laugh:

But still i say:propper mono will give you even better results! :tongue:

Any way...awesom job sir!!! :hatsoff: :congrats:


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Re: Psyeye says Hi and welcome to my Nannas first grow [Re: Perun]
    #14522617 - 05/27/11 06:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Perun, straight up thanks and respect for your help and input bro. I reckon that jar only worked because you pointed out its complexities with FAE which I accordingly compensated for... Learning what I've learned in the last 2 months would've been sooo much  harder without the input of mad peeps like yourself. Mono coming soon;)

:thanx: Nanna loves her little babies :crazybaby:


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    #14616109 - 06/15/11 07:25 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Any news bro? :laugh:


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    #14812022 - 07/23/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've been offline for a while to focus on some family matters... News from Nanna is that she's now tried Mono and agrees that it's def the way to go out of all of the teks she worked with... She's wandering with the golden fungus on the regular and is gonna take what you guys helped her learn and move onto edibles to see what wonders she can grow... Will post here too

Humblest thanks Perun and all others who contributed to getting my nanna sooo 'active' :yourock: You've contributed to a very positive change in our lives and the skills we have learned here will serve us for life *wipes tear of joy*


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    #14852424 - 07/31/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a pic from Nannas nook, the last of the actives before she starts working on oysters etc... Thanks again all who made this possible for her


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    #14852846 - 07/31/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

nice flush. caps cracking means there too dry right?


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    #14854762 - 08/01/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks billy, according to RR it means they grew too fast, these guys shot up like rockets and def weren't dry (95% H)


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