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Zzzarathustra


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How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ?
#14353336 - 04/26/11 02:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a friend who wants to try shrooms, but has a history of suicidal/depressive thoughts. Even though I'm an experienced tripper, I have no mental problems, so I'm not sure what to expect with her. Should she stay away from shrooms altogether ? Do it alone with a sitter ? Or in a group of experienced folks ?
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Blindtheeye
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353342 - 04/26/11 02:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Suicidal thoughts should be dealt with as soon as possible. Try and find the root of these problems but I wouldnt advise shrooms because it will un-root those underlying issues rather quickly and they would probably be best dealt with sober IMO
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Joolz


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Blindtheeye]
#14353357 - 04/26/11 02:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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On one hand she could freak out, on the other hand she could possibly figure out why she's being depressed.
I would dose her very, very lightly. Give her enough to feel the body buzz and work your way up. Build confidence, talk, but most of all have fun!
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Zzzarathustra


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Blindtheeye]
#14353362 - 04/26/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to her, there are no underlying issues - never had any problems, psychological trauma or health issues. Apparently, it is based on a pure logical conclusion that life is meaningless and not really worth living.
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broken
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Joolz]
#14353367 - 04/26/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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shouldn't the question be how safe are suicidal thoughts?
if she has mental heath issues she should not be doing drugs. period. throwing new chemicals into a brain that is chemically unbalanced is playing with fire.
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Zzzarathustra


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: broken]
#14353372 - 04/26/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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closed veil said: shouldn't the question be how safe are suicidal thoughts?
if she has mental heath issues she should not be doing drugs. period. throwing new chemicals into a brain that is chemically unbalanced is playing with fire.
well, that's why I am here looking for advice. Never tripped with people who have mental issues.
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353375 - 04/26/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zzzarathustra said: According to her, there are no underlying issues - never had any problems, psychological trauma or health issues. Apparently, it is based on a pure logical conclusion that life is meaningless and not really worth living.
that is not logical at all. if there is no afterlife, then the only thing that matters is what we do while we are alive. you need to give your life meaning, not look for one.
i strongly segest she see a mental heath professional. i have lost a few ppl in my life to suicide, and i believe they all could have been prevented.
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: broken]
#14353377 - 04/26/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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John Hopkins has done research on using psilocybin to treat depression, you could read up on that.
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Joolz


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: broken]
#14353393 - 04/26/11 03:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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She hasn't figured out that life is what you make it. There isn't a universal reason to live. However, we can make our own, personal reasons to live. I was in her shoes at one time, with no want or desire to live.
I don't want to blame it on psychedelic drugs, but I'm over that whole phase. I'm all about  and all that other 
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353398 - 04/26/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Edited by Johnny Depp (12/19/14 04:21 AM)
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guywiththegun
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Johnny Depp]
#14353422 - 04/26/11 03:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Johnny Depp said: She sounds like someone I wouldn't want to trip with
Seconded. I'd pass on that, unless you're looking forward to tripsitting someone while they rage around trying to find something to do violence on/with. I've been that guy, and I was told it wasn't a fun time.
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Blindtheeye
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Johnny Depp]
#14353424 - 04/26/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If her thang really is that life is without meaning then maybe a mind blowing is exactly what she needs.(no pun intended) The complexities and sheer beauty of life become pretty apparent while tripping nutz
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Edited by Blindtheeye (04/26/11 03:23 AM)
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Joolz


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Blindtheeye]
#14353434 - 04/26/11 03:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In before he trips with her, and she becomes a major psychonaut.
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Zzzarathustra


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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Blindtheeye]
#14353441 - 04/26/11 03:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Blindtheeye said: If her thang really is that life is without meaning then maybe a mind blowing is exactly what she needs.(no pun intended) The complexities and sheer beauty of life become pretty apparent while tripping nutz
that was my only argument FOR it. Yet I'm afraid if things go wrong, I might not be able to handle the situation.
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353449 - 04/26/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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if your second guessing it don't do it. better to be safe then sorry. and find another source of info dude, we are just people with opinions, there is good info out there, u just need to find it.
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Blindtheeye
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353453 - 04/26/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Which should be anticipated for ANY newb to psychs but in her case I would just be extra cautious seeing as how she obviously has some sort of mental instability going on whatever that may be.
As always advise is "proceed with caution"
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: broken]
#14353591 - 04/26/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I will never understand why people get all skiddish around suicidal people. I've been "suicidal" since I was 4 or so, and before every trip I accept my death as being inevitable. I did that before my first time taking mushrooms and it was pretty blissful.
If you think she's going to play in traffic, roll a huge joint and go comatose. If she's suicidal because you guys live in suburbia aka the worlds armpit, then tripping could be the best idea ever. Imo, it's the people who never have any deep thoughts about things like death that have a hard time accepting their trips.
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Edited by maug (04/26/11 06:24 AM)
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Blindtheeye
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: maug]
#14353597 - 04/26/11 05:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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maug said: it's the people who never have any deep thoughts about things like death that have a hard time accepting their trips.
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maug



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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Zzzarathustra]
#14353705 - 04/26/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Zzzarathustra said: According to her, there are no underlying issues - never had any problems, psychological trauma or health issues. Apparently, it is based on a pure logical conclusion that life is meaningless and not really worth living.
I somehow missed this. I like her a lot more now. She's normal. She's not mental, because you can't be crazy for having logic. She simply doesn't agree with you on some aspects of life. If she stops being suicidal, it will because she has found a purposeful way to spend her life. Doctors won't help, guaranteed. Neither will the mother hen routine. I've been on the receiving end of both.
She may have a hard time tripping around people, because she sounds a little bit like me and I honestly can't get over how stupid people get when stoned. I always prefer to get stoned alone.
And you know, being suicidal isn't about killing yourself. Any dumb-ass can kill themselves, but suicidal people are the ones that don't. It's about looking at your life and wondering what is really original, or authentic, and what more really needs to be said. I always thought of it as being kind of playful too, cause I played with insanity and death a bit. I used to take what I called "suicidal doses", because I would take potentially fatal doses alone to try to find a new/original experience. I certainly don't regret that stuff, and I don't understand people glamorize life or death. I think my life-long untreated depression and rough experiences are the only things that make me any different than anyone else really.
Just wondering, has she read this thread? Or does she think there will be a problem with the mushies?
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Edited by maug (04/26/11 06:26 AM)
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Re: How safe are shrooms for someone with suicidal thoughts ? [Re: Joolz]
#14353766 - 04/26/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would say no... Could go either way and the risk of a bad outcome is to high in my opinion... Let her get help... If actually suicidal, needs professional help... Therapy
So I vote no... I believe mushrooms do not need negative press either, 'mushrooms cause suicide' could be a head line and a set back for legit use as a mental health therapy
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