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Is lizard king any good?
    #14352778 - 04/25/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've been looking at syringes to buy and saw a strand called lizard king. Ive never heard of it and was wondering if it was any good.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: egopower]
    #14352792 - 04/25/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is it a cube?


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: egopower] * 1
    #14352800 - 04/25/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No its not any good, because its a bullshit name made up by someone that probably sells either bunk stuff, or regular cubensis with a made up name for a high price.

If your looking for spores, check out the vendors sponsored by the shroomery. they are trusted,

How to pick a strain? stick names on a dart board , spin dart board, throw dart. (miss ouit the novelty strains like penis envy etc)

now read the stickies, and search the forums, and read.

Also www.mushroomvideos.com this will explain alot of questions you may be about to ask.

oh and read the strain thread, it should explain why strain name isnt really important


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14352843 - 04/26/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The lizard king strain is supposed to contain part of Jim Morrison's soul:crazy2:
Never heard of it actually but like mentioned above, probably a regular cube with made up name for marketing


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: Divinity]
    #14353115 - 04/26/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I got an L K syringe from a sponsor its colinizing now I paid 12 bucks for it I dont think its to overpriced and seems to be doing just fine at about 90 percent after 4 weeks


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14353132 - 04/26/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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No its not any good, because its a bullshit name made up by someone that probably sells either bunk stuff, or regular cubensis with a made up name for a high price.




sponsors do sell L K cubensis and cheap

a cube is a cube anyway.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: newgrower1]
    #14353136 - 04/26/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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newgrower1 said:
I got an L K syringe from a sponsor its colinizing now I paid 12 bucks for it I dont think its to overpriced and seems to be doing just fine at about 90 percent after 4 weeks





ah well thats a good price for a cube syringe of spores. let us know what they turn out like, maybe theres actually a valid reason for the name (like why penis envy is called penis envy,)


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14353142 - 04/26/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Lizard King (a.k.a. LK)
The Lizard King strain has an interesting history, and it was discovered by Lizard King who had a hand in finding several coveted Mexacanae specimens as well. Anand played a large roll in domesticating the Lizard King cube.

What makes this cube interesting is that it was found growing on a mixture of wood and horse poo. Wood is not a common substrate for wild cubes but given the right conditions cubes will grow on damn near anything."


all it is is another cube named after the person who found it..:shrug:


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: biologys]
    #14353228 - 04/26/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe as your trip progresses you'll end up turnin into a lizard like the detective in cheech and chong:grin:
Hope the grow goes well. Post pics when ya can


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: Divinity]
    #14353272 - 04/26/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just plated a print not too long ago. We'll see how it turns out, but I don't have enough experience with plates to tell if growth is coming fast or slow...


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: Divinity]
    #14353275 - 04/26/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I had a recent grow of lizard kings that were really awesome. I don't buy into the cube is a cube talk. Species differentiation among other mushrooms, such as the pearl oyster, has long since been accepted in the scientific community. This is based on phylogenetic analysis, DNA analysis, and other credible, legitimate scientific tests. Read this:

Evidence from molecular systematic studies
suggests that many mushroom species may be quite ancient.
Gene phylogenies were developed to examine the relationship
between reproductive isolation, genetic divergence, and biogeography
in oyster mushrooms (Plurotus). Sequence data were
obtained for two regions ofDNA from populations belonging to
eight intersterility groups (biological species). Phylogenetic
analysis of sequences from the 5' portion of the nuclear encoded
large subunit rDNA demonstrates an ancient origin for four
intersterility groups of broad geographic distribution (worldwide),
with a more recent radiation of several intersterility
groups that are restricted to the Northern Hemisphere. An
expanded analysis using sequence data from the more variable
rDNA internal transcribed spacer region also reveals a phylogenetically
based pattern of genetic divergence associated with
allopatric speciation among populations from different continents
in the Northern Hemisphere. The ability of rDNA
sequences to resolve phylogenetic relationships among geographically
isolated populations within intersterility groups
illustrates the importance of biogeography for understanding
speciation in Pleurotus. Patterns of geographic distribution
among intersterilit groups suggest that several species lineages
evolved quite early, with recently evolved groups restricted
to the Northern Hemisphere and older lineages occurring
throughout the world. Based on phylogenetic evidence,
analysis of historical biogeography using area cladograms
shows that multiple dispersal and vicariance events are responsible
for patterns of speciation observed.
Speciation in many mushroom groups is often associated with
tremendous levels of genetic divergence that suggest an
ancient origin for some species (1). Within many mushroom
species, clear patterns of morphological and genetic divergence
among geographically distinct populations also suggest
an allopatric mode for speciation (2).
The combined study of
phylogeny and biogeography provides a framework for understanding
the relationship among different components of
evolution at the species level, including geographic variation,
genetic isolation mechanisms, and morphological evolution
(3). The recent development of rigorous molecular phylogenetic
approaches has made it possible to reexamine many
classic questions regarding the importance of biogeography
as a primary factor involved in speciation.


What this means is that strains are genetically unique. Bullshit a cube is a cube. A cube isn't a cube. A cube originating in America will be different than one from the other side of the planet, unless it was transported there by people.

Homo sapiens are a classic example. Do asians look like africans? There are genetic predispositions to diseases more common in different ancestral groups. Some races have different enzymes than others. Ever hear of the sickle cell?

How about grapes? Vitis vinifera, the wine grape, has these variants in its species (this isn't even the complete list):
    Abbuotto
    Abouriou
    Acolon
    Agiorgitiko/Aghiorghitiko
    Aglianico
    Aleatico/Agliano
    Alexandrouli
    Alfrocheiro Preto
    Alicante Bouschet
    Alicante Ganzin
    Alvarelhão / Brancelho
    Amorghiano
    Ancellotta
    Aragónez
    Aramon
    Aspiran
    Aubun
    Avana
    Avarengo
    Băbească Neagră
    Baco Noir
    Baga
    Barbarossa
    Barbera
    Barsalinga
    Bastardo/ Trousseau
    Bellone
    Béquignol
    Black Muscat
    Blatina
    Blauburger
    Blauer Portugieser / Kékoportó / Portugais
    Blaufränkisch / Lemberger / Kékfrankos / Gamé
    Bobal
    Bogazkere
    Bonarda
    Bondola
    Bordo/Ives Noir
    Bouchalès
    Bovale
    Borgonja Crna
    Brachetto or Braquet
    Brancellao
    Brown Muscat
    Brun Fourca
    Bual / Boal
    Cabernet Franc
    Cabernet Sauvignon
    Cabernet Severny
    Caddiu
    Cagnulari
    Caiño Tinto
    Caladoc
    Calitor
    Callet
    Caloria
    Canaiolo
    Canina nera
    Caricagiola
    Carignan / Carignane / Cariñena / Carignano /Mazuelo
    Carménère
    Carmine
    Carnelian
    Castelão / Periquita
    Castets
    Castiglione
    Catanese
    Centurian
    Cesanese
    Cesar
    Charbono
    Cienna
    Ciliegiolo
    Cinsaut / Cinsault/ Ottavianello
    Colorino
    Complexa
    Cornalin
    Cornifesto
    Corvina / Corvinone
    Counoise
    Croatina
    Darkenuša
    Dobričić
    Dolcetto
    Domina
    Dornfelder
    Dunkelfelder
    Duras
    Durif / Petite Sirah
    Espadeiro
    Étraire
    Fer
    Ferrón
    Fetească Neagră
    Forcayat/Forcallat
    Fortana
    Frappato
    Freisa
    Frühroter Veltliner
    Fumin
    Gaglioppo
    Gamashara
    Gamay / Gamay Noir



    Garnatxa / Grenache / Garnacha / Cannonau
    Garrut
    Girò
    Graciano/ Moristel
    Grand Noir de la Calmette
    Gran Negro / Grão Negro
    Greco Nero
    Grignolino
    Gropello
    Grolleau / Groslot
    Gros Verdot
    Guarnaccia
    Helfensteiner
    Heroldrebe
    Hondarrabi Beltza
    Humagne Rouge
    Jaén
    Joubertin / Jaubertin
    Juan Garcia
    Juan Ibáñez / Miguel del Arco
    Jurancon noir
    Kadarka
    Kalecik Karasi
    Kékoporto / Kékoportó
    Kotsifali
    Kratosija
    Lacrima di Morro

Dig it:


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14353334 - 04/26/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I keep meaning to ask you how those LK's were, potency-wise. I know you said they bruise very, very blue :laugh:

I don't buy the "cube is a cube" talk either, and I think most would probably agree that substrate choice doesn't seem to affect potency (although technically this is still up in the air) so by process of elimination, it's genetics. I've always thought that PE was stronger than just about anything I had. My craziest, most visual trips have always been PE trips, with the exception of one crazy trip at the movies on Ban Phang Ka. I'm hoping LK is somewhere in there as far as wackiness goes.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14353370 - 04/26/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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guywiththegun said:
I keep meaning to ask you how those LK's were, potency-wise. I know you said they bruise very, very blue :laugh:

I don't buy the "cube is a cube" talk either, and I think most would probably agree that substrate choice doesn't seem to affect potency (although technically this is still up in the air) so by process of elimination, it's genetics. I've always thought that PE was stronger than just about anything I had. My craziest, most visual trips have always been PE trips, with the exception of one crazy trip at the movies on Ban Phang Ka. I'm hoping LK is somewhere in there as far as wackiness goes.




Hey beer guy, I only ate one small fruit out of the tub when I harvested, and it was definitely strong. It weighed maybe 4 grams wet, and I felt staticky for about an hour. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to having a full dose, so we'll see about that. I have a higher tolerance than most, I think. I usually eat 5 grams and sit by myself in the dark listening to music and thinking. So, I think I'll eat 4 grams and let you know.

Genetics are different in the cube strains. I'm still looking into how they name species of mushrooms, as in, why they call a Panaeolus cyanescens and Panaeolus cambodginiensis two different species. I'll post that up when I find out.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14353371 - 04/26/11 02:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats a good amount of information haha. Please post any pics you may have also if anybody has taken them how potent they are.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: egopower]
    #14353388 - 04/26/11 03:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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egopower said:
thats a good amount of information haha. Please post any pics you may have also if anybody has taken them how potent they are.




It's potent. Here's a good description from Fahkface's strain list:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8106067

By the way, strain discussion threads usually get locked. They have a strain thread in the archives. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10560039

Anyhow, I suggest that when searching for a strain, do a search and look at people's grows. Get a decent strain list from some place like http://www.ralphstersspores.com then search on here for the strain names.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14353417 - 04/26/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

CaptainAhab said:
Quote:

guywiththegun said:
I keep meaning to ask you how those LK's were, potency-wise. I know you said they bruise very, very blue :laugh:

I don't buy the "cube is a cube" talk either, and I think most would probably agree that substrate choice doesn't seem to affect potency (although technically this is still up in the air) so by process of elimination, it's genetics. I've always thought that PE was stronger than just about anything I had. My craziest, most visual trips have always been PE trips, with the exception of one crazy trip at the movies on Ban Phang Ka. I'm hoping LK is somewhere in there as far as wackiness goes.




Hey beer guy, I only ate one small fruit out of the tub when I harvested, and it was definitely strong. It weighed maybe 4 grams wet, and I felt staticky for about an hour. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to having a full dose, so we'll see about that. I have a higher tolerance than most, I think. I usually eat 5 grams and sit by myself in the dark listening to music and thinking. So, I think I'll eat 4 grams and let you know.

Genetics are different in the cube strains. I'm still looking into how they name species of mushrooms, as in, why they call a Panaeolus cyanescens and Panaeolus cambodginiensis two different species. I'll post that up when I find out.




Sweet. Ditto here, should have some of my own in about a month or so :smile:


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: guywiththegun]
    #14353524 - 04/26/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

STRAIN QUESTIONS GO IN THE STRAIN THREAD GOD DAMN IT!


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: CaptainAhab]
    #14353558 - 04/26/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

People say that a "cube is a cube" because they basically all look and grow the same with the exception of a few very unique strains like PE or albino strains. That study is about wild species of oysters from around the world. We mostly buy, trade & grow domesticated cube strains that don't show much variance as they would in the wild. Sure, some have pointed caps or unique spots or maybe even grow larger than normal, but I doubt most people here would be able to identify 25 random cube strains based on looks alone.


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Re: Is lizard king any good? [Re: egopower]
    #14353928 - 04/26/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
We made a 'strain thread' for discussing useless info such as the name some dude wrote on a print, as if it has anything at all to do with what strain you'll grow.  Mushrooms aren't plants and don't breed true to strain from spores.
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