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Offlinekataphrakt
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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: Phoenix Crash]
    #14347403 - 04/25/11 03:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the insight. No foul odors have appeared yet, but I'm regularly eyeing them. Here's an update on my tub. Two words: cobweb mold. Just checked it and the gray wisps are everywhere. So disappointed with myself :frown:


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: kataphrakt]
    #14348719 - 04/25/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Dont get too upset. Its not a total failure as long as you learned something during the process. Next time will be better :biggrin:

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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: deadmandave]
    #14350492 - 04/25/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I learned a lot about how easy contaminants can take over uncolonized substrate. I'll be letting my jars sit for a while before birthing.

So, I dumped the substrate/myc in my back yard under some brush, washed the tub with hot water inside and out, and let it sit out back to air dry. I'm going to wipe it down with some isopropyl before I use it to birth my cakes. Should that be enough sterilization to get all the cobweb mold out?


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: kataphrakt]
    #14351028 - 04/25/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Remember, there's always a reason a jar 'stalls'.  Toss them as soon as you notice to avoid wasting your time.
RR


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14351354 - 04/25/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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RogerRabbit said:
Remember, there's always a reason a jar 'stalls'.  Toss them as soon as you notice to avoid wasting your time.
RR




Solid advice, but young people don't care about wasting their time.


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: anonjon]
    #14351768 - 04/25/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks RR. I had originally attributed their stalling to the temp (I had kept them around 70-74F). I just wish my other cakes would finish colonizing so I can stop worrying so much about contams. I swear I followed the tek to a T and took all the sterile precautions when knocking up the jars.  :aweman:

EDIT: Also, I have a question regarding gypsum. I've read that it 'helps' the mycelium in developing fruiting bodies, and I would like to know how I should incorporate it. Should I add some to the verm I roll my cakes in after dunking?


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: kataphrakt]
    #14352505 - 04/25/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Add gypsum to the pf tek recipe, at about 1 tbsp per 5 jars. so the recipe would be 2 cups verm 1 cup brf and 1 tbsp gypsum, mix then add 1 cup water and mix it all really well.

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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: deadmandave]
    #14352538 - 04/25/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

did you say that you did or didnt pasteurize the coffee grounds?


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: floatindownsligo]
    #14353041 - 04/26/11 12:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I inoculated 4 jars about 20 days ago. I had one finish yesterday, three are over 75%. One was at 60% for more than a couple of days not moving so I looked at the bottom and noticed some water, decided to flip it. Flipped it on two jars so the air holes were still exposed and it has started up again, after 3 days it is now at 80%+.

Flip when you need to. Also, what helps them grow a lot faster appears to be love man. Some people don't believe in that stuff and say it appears to be a placebo but they grow much better and stronger.

Nice job for getting this far and blessings on your grow brother.

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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: OneU]
    #14353127 - 04/26/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

your jars shouldnt be taking that long to colinise. As RR stated when jars stall, its not a good sign and usually the reason is a contaminant.

make sure you are falling the pf tek


mushroomvideos.com shows it from start to finish.


Never spawn unfinished jars to bulk, the uncolinised food will just be a breeding ground to contams (if it isnt already contaminated).

Temps are not your problem. i had jars colinise just fine even in the colder months when my room would get below 70 at night


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14355777 - 04/26/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Another thing I had attributed the stalling to was the extra fine verm I was using (in the pf tek vids they were using coarse, I think). But, I'll pray that no contams are in there; as they don't show any contam signs.

And yes, I pasteurized the coffee grounds.


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: kataphrakt]
    #14358309 - 04/26/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

-And yes, I pasteurized the coffee grounds-

just checking, sorry about that, now that i read back i see i misunderstood. and yes, its true finer vermiculite will have a greater chance of contaminants but not by much. there are a lot of people on here that use fine verm because of better moisture retention. good luck on keeping the future ones contam-free!


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Re: Birthing stalled jars to bulk substrate [Re: floatindownsligo]
    #14361280 - 04/27/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, they do hold a lot of moisture; since about day 3 I've seen condensation on the inside of the jars


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