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CRAZY idea.
    #14352445 - 04/25/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oil soaked grains. Instead of water, oil would be used. Would the grain colonize okay?


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352527 - 04/25/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You would be depriving the fungus of the most important nutrient: water.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352532 - 04/25/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Also, I don't think the grains could soak enough of the oil up to fully expand?

What spurred your idea?


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: zydisqwap]
    #14352540 - 04/25/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why not try human urine while you're at it. I've always wondered about that...


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14352575 - 04/25/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i vote on koolaid.


but what would be the point behind oil anyways? :stoned: j/w


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: BlackHat]
    #14352728 - 04/25/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ugg... Maybe water soak than coated in oil? The point of the question is to devise a way to heighten the temperature inside the grain without using a pressure cooker. Oil can reach a much higher temperature than water.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: BlackHat]
    #14352739 - 04/25/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

For cubes yes its crazy. but maybe another species not so, ive heard of oyster mushrooms being able to digest some pretty nasty stuff and grow the healthiest mushrooms youd ever seen.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14352758 - 04/25/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

try dog shit tek first it's the bombs


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352764 - 04/25/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

either way, ther would still be little to no water. oil just isn't a substitute for water. I don't think the oil will allow for better sterilization. A pressure cooker puts water under pressure, which raises its boiling point and allows for higher steam temps. Don't really think oil is necessary. In chem lab, we use an oil bath to heat beakers when a hot plate is the heat source, only if 100 degrees C isn't sufficient to boil the solvent. I  believe with the use of a PC that water is indeed sufficent for sterilization. No need for higher boiling liquids.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14352791 - 04/25/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The point is to eliminate the pressure cooker. Of course the pressure cooker is better.

Say if one were to soak the grain, coat it in oil, put a few ml of water in the bottom of the jar, seal it up (air tight) and place it in a pot of boiling water for a sufficient amount of time. Or maybe, I'm going to say it, baked.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352801 - 04/25/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:eek: ugh i could be wrong, but don't water mixed with oils do that whole popping exploding thing?
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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352811 - 04/25/11 11:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I was trying to say is that you would have better success reaching a higher temp by boiling your jars in a pot of oil, not by putting oil inside of them. Still, the oil almost certainly gets TOO hot (200+ degrees C for some) and will probably cook the contents of your jar. When it comes to grain, it seems like there is no substitution for a PC. Not to mention the explicit recomendations of a good glove box/laminar flow hood. If cutting corners, the PF tek allows for much more of this. Grain seems pretty unforgiving.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14352834 - 04/26/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm... yes. I was just thinking the same thing. Wouldn't that be kind of messy? Temperatures of course would have to be closely regulated.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: BlackHat]
    #14352835 - 04/26/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its not going to reach higher temps just by having oil in the jar. Your still using steam to heat up your pot. without a sealed pot that can hold pressure. All the energy yo are using to try and get the temp inside the pot is just going to escape.

If you can get a pressure cooker, use the pf tek. You can use cakes to spawn to bulk.

Its also possible to make straight rice cakes (its tricky) ive done this to spawn to bulk


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352868 - 04/26/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does rice colonize well? Yes, I realized after posting that the pot of water would not work. Now what about the oven or pot of oil?


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352886 - 04/26/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Does rice colonize well? Yes, I realized after posting that the pot of water would not work. Now what about the oven or pot of oil?




if you get your moisture content right it does, get it wrong and its slow!!!

I think when i done it i had them colinsied in around 20 days. this was in 1/4 pint jars, ive not tried using larger jars.

the other problem with rice is that you cant realy shake, as the rice tends to stick together. I stopped growing shortly after and only tried 2 batches of 6 each. those were spawned to hpoo, and also shredded newspaper.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14352966 - 04/26/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Is it normal for rice to take so long?


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14352982 - 04/26/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is it normal for rice to take so long?





Yes, its very hard to keep the substrate from sticking together, so i guess mycelium doesnt find it so easy to move through. If yoiu could break it up and shake, so as to distrubute the mycelium you could probably have it done quicker. hard in such a small jar


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14353279 - 04/26/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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yessir said:
Is it normal for rice to take so long?





Yes, its very hard to keep the substrate from sticking together, so i guess mycelium doesnt find it so easy to move through. If yoiu could break it up and shake, so as to distrubute the mycelium you could probably have it done quicker. hard in such a small jar




something i've been wondering about. do you think tyvek lids with self-healing injection ports would be a sufficient replacement for the dry verm layer, assuming the cultivator wanted to keep everything else about the PF tek the same? this would allow many of the advantages of more advanced Teks to those who want to stick to the PF tek. Whaddya thinik? I've got 3 experimental jars of this nature going as I post this (pic below)

again no dry verm layer in these 3 jars. otherwise exactly the same as the rest + self healing lids and tyvek.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14354281 - 04/26/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. I think it would work. But the point of pft tek is to use less materiels.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14354732 - 04/26/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You're right. Its designed to be a simple as possible, (not that tyvek and silicone are terribly complex things to work with) But what else am I going to do with all of the time I have waiting for these bithces to colonize?? My honest expectation is no real improvement over the old tek, but the filters give me a little more confidence that I can handle those particular jars more than the others, and I can shake em around a little if I so desire.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: EgoDeath0290]
    #14357077 - 04/26/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes. If you haven't tried grains (I haven't), it will give you good procedure practice.

I personally will be doing some experimenting as soon as I get some prints going.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14357219 - 04/26/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The point is to eliminate the pressure cooker. Of course the pressure cooker is better.





ive had success steaming PINT jars of rye berries.

i put a large tequila bottle on top of the pot lid. creating a little bit of pressure. i also had to replace water OFTEN due to the LARGE amount of steam being released.

ended up steaming for probably more than 3-4 hours. (not always at temp due to refilling water)

i would imagine the slight pressure, the small jars, and a lot of luck contributed to my success. your results may vary :thumbup:


doesnt salt water boil at a higher temp than non-salted water?


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: k00laid]
    #14357295 - 04/26/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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k00laid said:i put a large tequila bottle on top of the pot lid. creating a little bit of pressure. i also had to replace water OFTEN due to the LARGE amount of steam being released.




I've seen chefs from India mix up flour and water into a somewhat firm dough, make a ring out of it, and then use it to seal their pots of rice to keep the water in.  It might help to cut down on steam loss.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: Puzzled]
    #14358860 - 04/26/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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doesnt salt water boil at a higher temp than non-salted water?




Only slightly; it is an insignificant amount.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: yessir]
    #14360463 - 04/27/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

@puzzled, yeh I've done this with my slowcooker to make some awesome curries...
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Handi is a clay pot used for Dum Pukht style cooking. We can use the Crockpot as the Handi. The par-cooked food can be put in the Crockpot. The lid must must be sealed with a paste of flour and water (¼ cup flour and 1½ Tablespoon of water)




here's the website if anyone's interested:
http://www.indiacurry.com/faqappliance/slowcooker.htm

It'll seal in the steam but won't really lock in pressure...I assume at a certain point some of the dough'll break open to let out steam and release pressure.  Who knows?  Something to try if anyone's interested.


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Re: CRAZY idea. [Re: k00laid]
    #14361351 - 04/27/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

[quote

doesnt salt water boil at a higher temp than non-salted water?




at most about 7-8 degrees. A bucket of salty ice water sure does chill beers down fast though!


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