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"Is it racist?"
    #14351761 - 04/25/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think it has little to do with culture or ethnicity, but everything to do with values. He's just countering the selfishness and peacocking with pro-social behavior.





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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: The Whale]
    #14351830 - 04/25/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

least the later, he has a rack ready to go, not all slobbish like someone just gave up in the middle of the match cuz they ran outta krunk juice

edit; more steriotypical than racist


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: The Whale]
    #14351877 - 04/25/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Not racist. He's just pointing out bad taste. :shrug:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: The Whale]
    #14353340 - 04/26/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Stereotypical in both cases, but the response was condescending :snub:


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Not racist. He's just pointing out bad taste. :shrug:




Theres bad taste and going to lengths making someone look (more) stupid. First guy acted like an idiot, second guy was a bit snide about it. I prefer unapologetic dumbassery over malicious tendencies. Second video was clearly a social attack on the former.

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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14353347 - 04/26/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ask yourself, would you be as offended if it was a response to a white guy doing the same shit?

So what, he's black. He's flashing his money around like an arrogant peice of shit. Fuck him. He deserves to be belittled.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14353360 - 04/26/11 02:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tosh comes across as such a raging douchebag, consistently, and that video didnt do anything to change my opinion.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14353365 - 04/26/11 02:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Ask yourself, would you be as offended if it was a response to a white guy doing the same shit?




I'm not quite offended and yes the reverse would equally rub mje the wrong way.  My issue is with people putting other people down and I point that out regardless of race or gender.

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He's flashing his money around like an arrogant peice of shit.




Looked more like a dumbass "OMG I got it made" to me.
I'm not intimidated by either display, both were distasteful, one was hostile.

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He deserves to be belittled.




Thats where we disagree. When does one ever have the licence to revert to such tactics? Criticize sure.  Belittle, not so sure.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14353379 - 04/26/11 03:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Daniel Tosh may or may not have just killed himself. Don't you feel like a dummy now?:snub:

http://twitter.com/#!/DANIELTOSH

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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14353399 - 04/26/11 03:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Wiccan, he's kind of the host of a television show on comedy central

It's not like he's making videos just to belittle people

It's all for the lulz


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14353408 - 04/26/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Daniel Tosh may or may not have just killed himself. Don't you feel like a dummy now?:snub:




Should that change anything?


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It's all for the lulz




His lulz arent my lulz. A low blow is a low blow.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14353412 - 04/26/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tosh comes across as such a raging douchebag, consistently, and that video didnt do anything to change my opinion.





that's his shtick. he's dick, and funny as fuck. don't you post in OTD?


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14353438 - 04/26/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Daniel Tosh may or may not have just killed himself. Don't you feel like a dummy now?:snub:




Should that change anything?




I doubt it will for you Cleopatra. :wink:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14353471 - 04/26/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"Cleopatra"?


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14353598 - 04/26/11 05:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan, he's kind of the host of a television show on comedy central

It's not like he's making videos just to belittle people

It's all for the lulz




Oh, so if you do something for money, that automatically makes it acceptable?

Daniel Tosh is an arrogant ass who is notoriously small-minded and shallow.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14353607 - 04/26/11 05:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perhaps you fail to realise that his apparent "small minded and shallow" attitudes are satirical?

Do you know Daniel Tosh personally? I don't think you're in any position to comment on the content of his character. All you know of him is what he has chosen to show you.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14358639 - 04/26/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

My opinion is based solely on his material.  If you are telling me that he intentionally comes across like a shallow cunt then I guess its possible but why would someone deliberately choose to come off like a shallow cunt?


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14358641 - 04/26/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Satire of shallow cunts


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14358673 - 04/26/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14358691 - 04/26/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14358719 - 04/26/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He does have some decent social commentary- especially in his stand up, but yeah dude's still a douche bag agreed.  Comedians for sure don't have to be like him to be funny but this is 2011, the year of instant gratification! And associated small mindedness.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: blewmeanie] * 1
    #14358781 - 04/26/11 11:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is funny.

Why? Because Daniel Tosh made it funny.

Specifically because his whole shtick is to offend people, and look at how well he justs did it to people in this thread.

If you REALLY want to not give him any fanservice, you probably wouldnt be so wrapped up in his antics. Thats the WHOLE POINT OF IT. He even makes a nod to that in a skit,

"The Dave Matthews Band sucks."

[audience response]

"If that offends you, you are what's wrong with this country. Just because someone had differance in opinion from you, you took it as a personal attack instead trying to tackle the bigger issue...why do I listen to SHITTY music!"

So good job to everyone who fell for his whole skit, making this 'characature' he pushes even more powerful, hahaha.

How does it feel knowing you just bought into his gag, honestly? The guy's actually really polite, and pretty damn smart.


His whole agenda is to push the envelope to ridiculous levels, so we ALL get to a point where we just go, "Well fuck. Look at that. We're all the fucking same." If you take offence to what he says, I've got some sad news for you.... You care too much about other people, and you're taking life way too seriously.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14358800 - 04/26/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I enjoy his comedy too. I get it. The guy on The Soup is pretty funny too, sort of the same shtick. Obnoxious/smartass/fuckhead humorists/comedians are funny sometimes.:shrug:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #14358840 - 04/26/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Funny? Sure.  And no one in this thread is dumb, I would venture to say we all understand its meant to be provocateur humor, but it's pretty tasteless sometimes even though it's on purpose.  All I'm saying is I'd rather watch reruns of Carlin, Hicks, or Pryor any day of the week.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14358852 - 04/26/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh easily.

You cant compare the old school types to this new school shit, it just doesnt work that way.

And I didnt say anyone in the thread is dumb, not at all.

But we have to look at why we think certain things are provacative. Thats whats important.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14358881 - 04/26/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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But we have to look at why we think certain things are provacative. Thats whats important.




Agreed and no question he is a smart dude. Plus I apologize-I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, slightly intoxicated you dig?


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14358889 - 04/27/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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unam sanctum said:
Funny? Sure.  And no one in this thread is dumb, I would venture to say we all understand its meant to be provocateur humor, but it's pretty tasteless sometimes even though it's on purpose.  All I'm saying is I'd rather watch reruns of Carlin, Hicks, or Pryor any day of the week.



Well me too, but those guys are dead, and the reruns get tired. New stuff is good(sometimes). I also said no one is dumb here. I think Larry David is one of the funniest men alive, but a lot of people do not like him at all.:shrug:

Did you ever read any of Woody Allens' short stories, or Steve Martins' Cruel Shoes? :thumbup::thumbup: Sometimes these guys were/are racist but in a different way. Almost all comedians use a bit of racist comedy. It is a shtick one chooses.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14358910 - 04/27/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14359535 - 04/27/11 04:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Perhaps you fail to realise that his apparent "small minded and shallow" attitudes are satirical?





Its antisocial deliberate offending of people passing it off as comedy. Also known as trolling. What he does is play into the VERY REAL racial prejudices of his audience at the expense of black people in general. Thats really the bottom line, there are no redeeming features to what he does here.


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Do you know Daniel Tosh personally? I don't think you're in any position to comment on the content of his character. All you know of him is what he has chosen to show you.




Being a paid comedian for comedy central is NOT an asshole licence. By acting like an asshole you open yourself up to criticism. He may not be a shallow cunt but it sure quacks like a duck on TV. Hitler may have been a nice guy in private too, that doesnt give him the right to act like Der Führer in public and mobilize racial tensions for his particular brand of lulz.


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Specifically because his whole shtick is to offend people, and look at how well he justs did it to people in this thread.




Isnt that like deliberately punching people in the face and laughing when they say ouch and making fun of them?

*deliberately breaks social conventions*
*people take predictable offense*
"HAHAHA FUCK WHAT YOU GUYS THINK!!"

Thats not comedy or satire, its a form of aggressively disagreeing with social conventions by attacking people and making fun of them.

We mods ban people all the time for this very same behavior :Trollface:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14359554 - 04/27/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Why does everyone always have to mention Hitler in every single argument? Not enough that he was such a cunt, he has to be mentioned in every other conversation.

It just does not offend me. That's the thing. He shouldn't offend you either. He's trying to make you re-examine that part of yourself that allows other people to get under your skin for something as insignificant as a comedy routine.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14359572 - 04/27/11 04:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Why does everyone always have to mention Hitler in every single argument? Not enough that he was such a cunt, he has to be mentioned in every other conversation.





Just upholding the law here:


Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2] In other words, Godwin put forth the hyperbolic observation that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope— someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.


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It just does not offend me. That's the thing.




Good for you, I think.


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He shouldn't offend you either.




Neither you nor him nor Hitler have any right whatsoever to dictate what should or should not offend me.

We aren't offended, we are just calling a spade a spade here (or in this case a jackass/shallow cunt).


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He's trying to make you re-examine that part of yourself that allows other people to get under your skin for something as insignificant as a comedy routine.




And he can fuck right off with that. The bigger problem in the world is not people being sensitive, its the masses being emotionally and morally numb.



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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14359576 - 04/27/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug:

To each his own I guess


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: propensity]
    #14359578 - 04/27/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

THATS TOO EASY :hissyfit:


Just discussing here :rainbowcloud:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Asante]
    #14359845 - 04/27/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14359865 - 04/27/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Care to explain that one?


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    #14359869 - 04/27/11 07:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Care to explain that one?





The black guy in the Tosh video said it, and I imagined the hide yo kids hide yo wife guy saying it.

Problem? :Trollface:


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    #14359983 - 04/27/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The black guy in the Tosh video said it, and I imagined the hide yo kids hide yo wife guy saying it.





Operation Human Shield is in full swing I see :wink:

I'd like to hear it in your words, they're not the ones I'm having the discussion with.:sun:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14360009 - 04/27/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You care too much about other people, and you're taking life way too seriously.




The credo of the shallow cunt.  Caring is wrong.  Life is a joke.

Tosh is a shallow cunt.  "No,no.  He's just doing an impersonation of a shallow cunt."

Tosh is a bad comedian.  "No, can't you see?  That's just satire."


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14360544 - 04/27/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

If you care enough that someone guy you have never met saying something on TV makes you mad, braw, you care too much.

Caring in the other sense isnt worng, dont try to put words into my mouth, jackass.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14360569 - 04/27/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Bottom line to this. Is it racist? Who cares, Did it make everybody laugh? Most likely. Therefore, acceptable.

Daniel Tosh rules!


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    #14360797 - 04/27/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:seriousbusiness:


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    #14361184 - 04/27/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

now i know why Wiccan_Seeker doesn't post in OTD


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    #14361272 - 04/27/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Benjamin Franklin was opposed to slavery.

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and grew weed :spinleaf:


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14361582 - 04/27/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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If you care enough that someone guy you have never met saying something on TV makes you mad, braw, you care too much.

Caring in the other sense isnt worng, dont try to put words into my mouth, jackass.




I guess I misunderstood you.  Try to be clearer next time.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14361672 - 04/27/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I never watched his show I flicked it on one day to see what it was about and I it was him talking about a internet video Ive seen more then a few times trying way to hard to be funny about it, couldnt take more then a minute of that tool. Its not that hes offensive either he's just to much of a fuckin tool.


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    #14361711 - 04/27/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn't matter if he has a lot of chains and cash, black people don't tip anyways.

I know this as fact because I have served many many people food. I received 1 tip from the thousands of black people I have served. They acted more white than I do tho if that means anything. That's not racist, that's statistics.

99.99999999999% Black people don't tip. Fact.




I LOVE tosh. He is real and says what most of us are thinking anyways. I love how he doesn't just burn black people, but ALL people of every race creed or religion.



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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Kada]
    #14361796 - 04/27/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

People are so scared of accurate generalizations that some of us are self-deluded and tend to side step the truth.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: The Whale]
    #14361837 - 04/27/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i dont get it. Daniel tosh could make fun of white people all fucking day on stage, A black comedian could make fun of white people all day on stage, and you wouldn't hear Wiccan say one fucking word about it


so what, he makes fun a black people for not tipping, he plays on stereotypes for the LULZ. I dont get what the big deal is.. he isnt really racist


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14361897 - 04/27/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Racist people serve an important role by becoming a target for otherwise healthy and happy people to re-direct whatever negative energy they are dealing with; it becomes a blame game. It's for the same reason that people protest about saving the whales or picket the streets against Obama's "Hitler tendencies." Without these annoyances or 'tragic misfortunes to society,' these people wouldn't have objects, people, or events to bitch about and would thus explode like a floating whale carcass that has filled with gas exchange from flesh eating bacteria.


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Re: "Is it racist?" [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #14364398 - 04/27/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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If you care enough that someone guy you have never met saying something on TV makes you mad, braw, you care too much.

Caring in the other sense isnt worng, dont try to put words into my mouth, jackass.




I guess I misunderstood you.  Try to be clearer next time.




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