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Hey astral projectors!
    #1435148 - 04/07/03 03:46 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

When I was a teenager I tried astral projection, I tried for over an hour every night for several months to leave my body. I finally had one sucess where I felt vibrations and left my body and I saw myself from above like I was at the ceiling of my bedroom, and I was almost instantly sucked back in to my body. It was the last time I had any sucess or really tried for that matter. Last few days I've been trying again, I have no fear of leaving my body. I get frustrated trying to relax and not being relaxed enough. How do you do it, what's your technique, do you visualize an astal body and try to transfer your conciousness to it? That's what I've been trying, without any luck. Any ideas on the best ways to "get out".


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1435151 - 04/07/03 03:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The best way to get out, is to do it without trying


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Shroomism]
    #1435153 - 04/07/03 03:50 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Go with the flow... do not try and focus so hard on getting out.. stare into the void... be silent within... when the vibrations come...let them flow..go with them..then focus on going out.

Remember, it's a natural process.

See you on the other side


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Shroomism]
    #1435204 - 04/07/03 04:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

You mean no visualization, no concentration, no trying to transfer my conciusness to my astral body seperate? WOW! I'll work on it with your method. That sounds too easy.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Shroomism]
    #1435354 - 04/07/03 07:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit!
I can do that..Neat.
I will stare at a point in space/time and envision it without any matter, at which point I reach a meditative state where my heart..oor soul or whatever it is feels like its vibrating at a extreme rate then like a spiritual orgasm I am slammed back into reality and I am me but at another point in space/time ..but I am at the same point as the matter of where I meant to go, looking at my old local( my body and surroundings ) ..I cant do it for long though.
Wierd I never thought of that as astral projection..My mind has it programmed to think that I have to be lying in bed with my eyes closed.. and I can do whatever I am doing eyes open sitting on my porch..I dont think I explained that very well..I dont think I will talk about this anymore


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: shaggy101]
    #1435371 - 04/07/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, you do not vibrate. It?s quite the opposite. Your earth resonance slows down and vibration number for astral projection goes down to 3. Right now everything vibrates in 100s. It's all in Leary's 8 circuit model.

I've been trying AP myself for the last 3 nights. I had done it successfully on my very first night. I activated neuro atomic circuit (the one responsible for AP) for few seconds. Last two nights i couldn?t do it. The more i try to feel these vibrations the more irritating i get and i loose concentration everytime i feel these vibrations starting to show up.

I used the "falling" visualisation to achieve it. I imagine free fall and it happens simultaneously but as soon as it does i can't help but loose my attention :frown:

What can i do to overcome this mental irritation? It pisses me off.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435387 - 04/07/03 07:36 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Iye..something somewhat similiar happens occasionally when my dreams go lucid ..i lose it as soon as it happens. I have gotten way better though.
Stress from whatever source can appear anywhere in your life..Meditation,water,good diet, excersice, and doing what you want in life are my ways of living a low stress life.

Hope you are enjoying the forum, I would be interested in hearing your believes since you seem quite sure of them.
Maybe you should borrow Strumplings quote for awhile :crazy:
Peace and shroomyness to you :cool: 


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: shaggy101]
    #1435398 - 04/07/03 07:48 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Peace and shroomyness? Lol thanks :smile:

Even though I haven't had AP experience myself yet i thought i should let you know how this AP phenomenon works.

Your brain is a biochemical computer. It receives processes and releases information. Consciousness is the quality of that process. And product of evolution.

Further your brain consists of 8 different neurological processors.

(Imagine a motherboard and 8 big chunks on it which we will call circuits.)

What you do you switch between these circuits as circumstances dictate.

What you should do now is read Dr.Leary's model which you can find here

http://www.deoxy.org/8circuit.htm

I assume all of you are familiar with matrix theory. The perceived world is all in your head. Everything you see, hear, feel are simply signals translated by your brain.

This 8ths neuro atomic circuit is the one responsible for getting outside of the manifested world.
(Remember take the red pill take the blue pill in matrix? I bet it was ketamine in the blue pill)

What happens in AP you're in position to enter higher dimension of existence. Outside of manifested physical world.

:smile:


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435470 - 04/07/03 08:56 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The way it works is your soul leaves your body for a little while without you dieing.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1435473 - 04/07/03 09:00 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well Rail_Gun, there is no such thing as a "soul".

You have to use sceintific approach to these things.

It is not soul, AP is simply another form of perception generated by your evolved brain.

And the sad thing is when you die, you no longer have this ability as it's genereated by your brain, when brain dies it no longer becomes possible.

But, BUT! :smile:

There is a way to achieve spiritual immortality :wink: Although it wont happen by itself.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435477 - 04/07/03 09:04 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

The way I think of it the brain is simply the interface between the soul and body. Kind of the way a keyboard and mouse seperate you from your computer. We are not this crude substance of blood and bone and sinew. We are spirit and soul connected to flesh for a time. The soul is seperate as is the spirit.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1435482 - 04/07/03 09:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Man, take my word for this, i have been studying ontology for years and years.

I don't know how to explain this to you but i'll try with more examples.

You say that men have soul. What about monkeys, do they have a soul? Yes, no?

No? But how? WE ARE 98% MONKEYS. In fact some members of humanity could be considered as 99.99% gene similarity with monkeys and the only difference is they shaved, learned how to speak and play with tools.

So if people have soul, it's proven that monkeys have a soul too.

Who else has it? Piggies? Dogs? Squirrels? Birds? Insects? Microbes?

There is no such thing as a soul.
If your brain was not evolved sufficiently astral projection would not be possible at all.

However "we are not this crude substance of blood and bone and sinew". That is right, we are not, the thing that makes everything possible is sub genetic quantum intelligence. Or simply the true God.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435493 - 04/07/03 09:23 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Science says our perceptions are false. So I say science is false. It's man's flawed perception of his environment. Science says that all is energy and vibrating particles. There is no sound. There are simply fluctuations in the air that are perceived as sound. There is no color, there is no rainbow, no red, no green, no blue, no purple. Light is a frequency of a vibrating photon particle our brain assigns a non-existant color to. Our perception is only of vibrations or particles. We are more than this. We are soul and flesh.

Here's a short poem I'll share with you:
Trust not in the human eye
In sunlight or in shade
For the pupet Show of sight and sound
Is the devils masquarade.

Unknown writer to that poem.


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"If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do."-King Solomon

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435505 - 04/07/03 09:29 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

WE ARE 98% MONKEYS

So we're 90% bacteria and 60% banana so what's your point?

So if people have soul, it's proven that monkeys have a soul too.

It's not about genes because apparently even some humans don't have souls.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1435604 - 04/07/03 10:28 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ohhh really?? Says who, you? The big important all knowing dogmatic believer known as infidelGOD?

Please, don't give us this rubbish and keep you attitude on the level here, we all talk with normal intonations no need for pointless accusations.

Rail Gun i see what you saying but you talking about wrong kind of science here.

You talking about the so called
DEXTERITY-SYMBOLISM CIRCUIT

Found in Leary's model again.

I'm talking about Neurosomatic and Neuroelectric circuit which activate when you trip on mushrooms for instance. These circuits are responsible for true science.

Either way you can not declare that science is wrong and blind belief is Da Thing.

Basically i think you should agree with the following quote.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
A. Einstein

I will start a new threat dedicated to this matter in a minute.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435620 - 04/07/03 10:41 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm a dogmatic believer? you're the one attempting to prove that the soul doesn't exist because "we are 98% monkeys"

and
"There is no such thing as a soul"
I'm dogmatic?

I'm sure you're aware that we share 90% of our genes with all animals and that proves nothing about the soul.

And what accusations are you talking about? Are you hurt because I suggested that you didn't have something that you insist doesn't exist?



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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1435657 - 04/07/03 11:15 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I don't want to argue with you, believe what ever you want to believe.
Please stay out of our discussion, no offence but if there is a soul fine, good for you, be happy, don't irretate us. Please.





Now

here is another way to proove you my point. I post it here to keep out these discussions out of immortality threat.

To demonstrate this here is a quick and relatively easy method to do so.
It involves simulating death for 10 seconds.

Brain uses oxygen and micro nutritions derived from blood. As soon as oxygen feed is stopped clinical death occurs.

To simulate this you need few minutes and a friend.

This method will *switch off* your brain by literally shutting down oxygen supply to your brain.
The moment it will happen your brain will simply switch off. There will be no souls escaping no eternal lifes no heaven or hells, no nothing. This method is very safe and *natural*. It does not require further interventions to restore oxygen supply and it will happen by itself. So don?t worry.

Method.
1. Sit crouching on the floor. Best to be done outside in the fresh air.
2. Start breathing deeply. Manage to make 2 full deep breathes in one second. Do this for 30 seconds.
3. Stand up at once and look strictly up. This is very important step, at this moment oxygen supply will be intervened in the are of your neck, this is where you loose it. You will start to collapse. Have a friend holding you.

You will come to in about 10 seconds after that naturally. You experience death for 10 seconds. The most important thing you will not recall at all what happened after you lost oxygen. This is what will happen will you die. Now you know.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435766 - 04/07/03 12:08 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

When I was young and dumb I used to do that all the time..I would often go into a dream state.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: shaggy101]
    #1435770 - 04/07/03 12:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Dream state is achieved if there is still some oxygen flows.

Do it properly.


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Re: Hey astral projectors! [Re: cleaner]
    #1435775 - 04/07/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, if you don't belive in this method get a friend to suffocate you and then restore your breathing with some medical help, it's more dangeous but will simulate clinical death.

If done under 5 minutes your brian will be ok. After that brian cells will start to die without oxigen. Before that they simply switched off.


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