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The joy of belief
#14350630 - 04/25/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I once thought I was dying so surrendered to a higher power and said "take me god" and was free and bathed in bliss and euphoria...
then I realized I was not dying at all and that joy had come from an act of belief. The can of worms has opened...
If I can trick my own mind into creating immense content-ness and euphoria then with practice surely I can do it at will? No mind tricks involved... and what else can we do with this amazing brain of ours that isn't being taught in the mainstream yet 

I might start developing some mental programs here because I'm really onto something... its nothing new - its in religion, meditation and magic but I can show people how to activate these desirable areas of the brain thierself at will! Thats quite a different take on the matter. 
Its not restricted to yourself either usng the trick method you can control the brain area in other people! Don't tell them they are dying but subtle suggestion about "powers" "chi" "energy" just convince them you can heal with your hands or create great euphoria with your hands and they will start to experience it. Once you have it triggered you amplify the effect with more suggestions.
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Re: The joy of belief [Re: nice1]
#14350723 - 04/25/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I completely agree. I have been thinking for a while that the psychedelic experience can be experienced while sober. And that all of religion is just an elaborate metaphore that is trying to put that experience into words. Ever since I heard about John M Allegro I have had the feeling that psychedelics have been used way more than we think in all religions. Ever mental practice is just a way of learning how to get into that state of mind.
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Re: The joy of belief [Re: nice1]
#14350760 - 04/25/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I might start developing some mental programs here because I'm really onto something... its nothing new - its in religion, meditation and magic but I can show people how to activate these desirable areas of the brain thierself at will! Thats quite a different take on the matter. 
What practices are you going to try or what do you already use?
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Beliefs can be liberating but they can also be barriers. It's best to wear them like clothes, unattached, and change as the weather permits.
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Those who have practiced astral projection report "belief territories" in the astral environment. These are literally heavens and hells sustained by the belief of the inhabitants. I'm afraid people seriously shortchange themselves with their beliefs. It makes you wonder how much we are doing it in this life. Beliefs often reinforce themselves and the cycles can get hard to break.
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c0sm0nautt said: Those who have practiced astral projection report "belief territories" in the astral environment. These are literally heavens and hells sustained by the belief of the inhabitants. I'm afraid people seriously shortchange themselves with their beliefs. It makes you wonder how much we are doing it in this life. Beliefs often reinforce themselves and the cycles can get hard to break.
Kind of ties into "you create your own reality". Personally, I think beliefs can stop a person from considering and exploring other options. I see “knowledge” in the same way, if you hold on to it so tightly that it stops a search for other options. Thinking you “know” something can blind a person to alternatives. I like to just leave myself with thinking something is or isn’t likely, but avoid concrete conclusions about anything.
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c0sm0nautt said: Those who have practiced astral projection report "belief territories" in the astral environment. These are literally heavens and hells sustained by the belief of the inhabitants. I'm afraid people seriously shortchange themselves with their beliefs. It makes you wonder how much we are doing it in this life. Beliefs often reinforce themselves and the cycles can get hard to break.
Wow thats interesting because it really explains something...
I always known ghost are real and I wondered why some of them seem to get stuck and exorcists even tell rowdy ghosts that they are dead and to go to the light in order to remove them.
So if your correct then their soul (or astral form) is stuck in a belief territory 
Holy fuck, I'm gonna have to do some spritiual work so I don't get stuck when I pass over. That concept scares me and also without boundary - the multiverse is yours to roam!!!
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Greenvalley said: What practices are you going to try or what do you already use?
I've tried some basic stuff.
I use my imagination to go back to a time when I was on MDMA and recreate parts / feelings from the experience by imagining every detail about when I was there and suspending my disbelief in order to allow me to actually feel it. I got to the point where I could hear the music and at times it was as real as the actual experience I was attempting to recreate.
I've done the trickery side of it quite a lot - made people fall backwards by suggesting it to them and having them shut their eyes and I catch them. Also the balloon one where you tell them one hand is attached to a balloon and their hand starts to raise without them controlling it.
I've only just started thinking about it in this way really - I just blasted the post out here but need to start writing every down and formatting it and researching other existing methods an experimenting with new things.
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Re: The joy of belief [Re: nice1]
#14354293 - 04/26/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Those who have practiced astral projection report "belief territories" in the astral environment. These are literally heavens and hells sustained by the belief of the inhabitants. I'm afraid people seriously shortchange themselves with their beliefs. It makes you wonder how much we are doing it in this life. Beliefs often reinforce themselves and the cycles can get hard to break.
Wow thats interesting because it really explains something...
I always known ghost are real and I wondered why some of them seem to get stuck and exorcists even tell rowdy ghosts that they are dead and to go to the light in order to remove them.
So if your correct then their soul (or astral form) is stuck in a belief territory 
Holy fuck, I'm gonna have to do some spritiual work so I don't get stuck when I pass over. That concept scares me and also without boundary - the multiverse is yours to roam!!!
Yea, IMO ghosts are people whose belief has them stuck near the physical plane - many will not consider that they have actually died, because they find the after-death astral environment very convincing. They literally can't imagine something outside of physical realty. People get caught up in all sorts of unimaginable crap. The idea of hungry ghosts comes from people whose negative cycles, such as drug additions, had bound them to repeat the cycles close to Earth. There's all sorts of interesting encounters described in various books by OBE explorers.
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What more have your learnt related to this?
What do you know about the other side? I'm intrigued to read anything you have discovered! 
Do you know anything about the white light? What it is? Because I become one or went into the white light on an ego death experience with mushrooms.
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Re: The joy of belief [Re: nice1]
#14354839 - 04/26/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my personal experience I've communicated with dead relatives and other random dead people - at least random to my current personality. Most of my conscious OBEs have been spent just flying around my current local, termed the RTZ (real time zone). I've inadvertently found myself in what I believed to be astral heavens and hells during normal dreaming. I agree with many expert explorers that all dreams are a type of OBE. You should aim to experience all this yourself though - Don't take my word for it. With some practice anyone can train them self to have an OBE... and then the possibilities are limitless.
The white light is a metaphor which pops up everywhere. I think it is the only symbol our physical reality brains can equate to "the source", "God", whatever you want to call it. There have been accounts of astral explorers literally having all remnants of self identity burned away by encountering the light - ego death as you say. Usually it is too much for the person to handle and they end up aborting the experience.
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Shamans, yuwipi men, mystics and other "light" workers often travel to NOR (non-ordinary reality or an out of body fragment) to access very deep wisdom that is only handed down through metaphors. Many times it is seen as a white light because it contains all in an indefinable way.
One told me a bit ago that to be a healer through the Spirit realm, "one must detach from this physical plane of illusion" and the only experiences I have with aborts is when a physical illusion of fear or doubt pops up and I can't transcend it or transmute it's energy.
Cosmo has a good point though, beliefs are very liberating but often the chains we wish to be freed from.
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Re: The joy of belief [Re: OneU]
#14363736 - 04/27/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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What are beliefs after all? Repeated thoughts. More concrete beliefs like religion and other hysterical superstitions are the ones you should try to avoid, like cosmonaut said, they can sometimes be barriers.
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