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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: nice1]
#14350441 - 04/25/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So your argument is it is fine to steal from a thief. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Eye for an eye. Bravo.
And actually I don't shop at walmart nor do I steal from them. Well okay sometimes I shop there for random things I can't find elsewhere that I need quickly. Sucks when the best computer place is best buy and that is 35+ miles away.
I love all these arguments thieves have.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14350443 - 04/25/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: So it's the victims fault?

Of course it is. Any LEO will tell you that many robberies are a crime of opportunity. Don't give them an opportunity and they won't steal from you.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: nice1]
#14350446 - 04/25/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: What are those things?
Ad hom attacks on internet confessed shoplifters doesn't count 
If you looked earlier in the thread, you'll note that I posted a petition to end corporate personhood. I've also written my Congressman on several issues and personally lobbied my state government on issues important to me.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14350450 - 04/25/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said: so lets say you live in a village and the richest man in town has pilfered all the bread and is hoarding it for himself
justifiable to steal bred for the rest of the village or not?
im looking at this from a purely philosophical standpoint
under the parameters of capitalism that is how the game actually works, i dont give what anyone says, thats what the fatcats are doing to all of us- hoarding resources based upon greed.
the main difference is that they didnt steal your resources. you paid them money for their resources, and now youre complaining that they have the money.
if you dont like them having your money, dont buy their stuff. 
again, in a world where first come first get is how resources are divided up, i see no problem with walking into a wal-mart and taking whatever i want, as long as nobody sees it, its ok. same logic as with wal-mart and their shady business model, enslave guatamalen children means they are withholding resources from the needy, they are just outsourcing the human rights violation to somehwere where its fucking legal
also: the government (largest corporation) shapes policy so that the poor get poorer, the rich get richer, resources are chokeheld at the top and unevenly distributed to the bottom. it also insures that shady business practices are upheld at all times c:
-------------------- You are at once both the quiet and the confusion of my heart. -Franz Kafka
Edited by AntiEverything (04/25/11 05:47 PM)
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson] 2
#14350451 - 04/25/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said: i once raped a girl because she was too weak to get away. not my problem. the courts totally let me free and put her in jail for being a weak bitch.
I stole candy from a baby once. Weak-ass twerp didn't even struggle.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350459 - 04/25/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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too obvious. you should work on making logical fallacies that are believable.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy]
#14350460 - 04/25/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: So it's the victims fault?

Of course it is. Any LEO will tell you that many robberies are a crime of opportunity. Don't give them an opportunity and they won't steal from you.
Pretty lame response man. What a surprise.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Silversoul]
#14350467 - 04/25/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice1 said: What are those things?
Ad hom attacks on internet confessed shoplifters doesn't count 
If you looked earlier in the thread, you'll note that I posted a petition to end corporate personhood. I've also written my Congressman on several issues and personally lobbied my state government on issues important to me.
Well good luck with that. Sure those letters are help
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: psilyguy] 1
#14350469 - 04/25/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prey that gets caught is weak by definition. Spare me the moral lecture, I don't steal. But if you get stolen from, its because you were too easy to steal from. That is what life is all about. If someone takes your girlfriend its because you weren't good enough. If someone gets the job you wanted its because you weren't good enough. If someone steals from you its because you weren't good enough. Whining about it won't change anything.
Wow... At least i know where you are coming from.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14350474 - 04/25/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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too obvious. you should work on making logical fallacies that are believable.
good cop out on the argument. 0 shrooms for unengaging debate and calling me a troll
ive been called a troll a million times for my radical political opinion. it always makes the other user look like such a weakly intellegent person. can't come up with a response so i must be trolling
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350484 - 04/25/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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too obvious. you should work on making logical fallacies that are believable.
good cop out on the argument. 0 shrooms for unengaging debate and calling me a troll
ive been called a troll a million times for my radical political opinion. it always makes the other user look like such a weakly intellegent person. can't come up with a response so i must be trolling
more like im giving you the benefit of the doubt and pretending that you aren't as dumb as you are trying to make yourself sound.
oh no, not 0 shrooms! what shall i ever do?!
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14350499 - 04/25/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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the obvious solution to ecological crisis is myco-farming and permaculture, completely sustainable interdependent ecofarms that run off of alternative energy
when we hit the brink and ecology fails, society falls, the ecocommunes will be our only actual and responsible fucking choice
and obvious choice at that. its already obvious. the world is based on a capitalist/greed model though, even marxist countries employ far too much capitalism to even be considered "communist"
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350503 - 04/25/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said:
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AntiEverything said: so lets say you live in a village and the richest man in town has pilfered all the bread and is hoarding it for himself
justifiable to steal bred for the rest of the village or not?
im looking at this from a purely philosophical standpoint
under the parameters of capitalism that is how the game actually works, i dont give what anyone says, thats what the fatcats are doing to all of us- hoarding resources based upon greed.
the main difference is that they didnt steal your resources. you paid them money for their resources, and now youre complaining that they have the money.
if you dont like them having your money, dont buy their stuff. 
also: the government (largest corporation) shapes policy so that the poor get poorer, the rich get richer, resources are chokeheld at the top and unevenly distributed to the bottom. it also insures that shady business practices are upheld at all times c:
The rich get richer argument again. The rich pay the highest taxes, taxes that go to the poor. Taxing employment and subsidizing unemployment is what makes everyone poorer.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
#14350515 - 04/25/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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SamuelLJackson said:
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AntiEverything said:
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SamuelLJackson said:
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AntiEverything said:

too obvious. you should work on making logical fallacies that are believable.
good cop out on the argument. 0 shrooms for unengaging debate and calling me a troll
ive been called a troll a million times for my radical political opinion. it always makes the other user look like such a weakly intellegent person. can't come up with a response so i must be trolling
more like im giving you the benefit of the doubt and pretending that you aren't as dumb as you are trying to make yourself sound.
oh no, not 0 shrooms! what shall i ever do?! 
right. you called me out on a logical fallacy and didn't even point it out. if it's that obvious, define it. oh can't? copping out like a newb i see, good call, i'd own you in this debate.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#14350541 - 04/25/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: So it's the victims fault?

Of course it is. Any LEO will tell you that many robberies are a crime of opportunity. Don't give them an opportunity and they won't steal from you.
Pretty lame response man. What a surprise.
Not lame because it is completely true. I never said a thief shouldn't be put in jail. If a thief gets caught its because he was a shitty thief, it works both ways. But the crime of opportunity thing is a FACT. Its about risk vs reward. If you can't make the reward smaller, make the risk bigger. The bigger the risk the safer your belongings. This is true on the smallest scale of thievery and the largest scale.
And I should have said ALL robberies not MANY, that was a mistake.
Edited by psilyguy (04/25/11 06:03 PM)
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: AntiEverything] 1
#14350589 - 04/25/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said: the obvious solution to ecological crisis is myco-farming and permaculture, completely sustainable interdependent ecofarms that run off of alternative energy
when we hit the brink and ecology fails, society falls, the ecocommunes will be our only actual and responsible fucking choice
and obvious choice at that. its already obvious. the world is based on a capitalist/greed model though, even marxist countries employ far too much capitalism to even be considered "communist"
As long as there are people, communism/socialism will fail, as it has always done. The strong/smart/dominant will always subjugate the weak/dumb/submissive.
The flaws in those systems are to big to overcome.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: 4runner]
#14350602 - 04/25/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anunnakian said: So your argument is it is fine to steal from a thief
I didn't say that. I said we are all supporting theft and corruption so its a bit hypocritical of everyone here to use ad hom attacks on a small thief while helping a load of big ones.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: nice1]
#14350696 - 04/25/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I live a pretty comfortable life working for an honest living. I don't really have a reason to steal anything and i'm not greedy...
I could understand stealing if you or your family were going to stave to death otherwise... but I would only steal something if it was a life or death last resort situation.
Anyone who goes and steals an ipod or something just for a quick profit is a scumbag in my book.
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14350705 - 04/25/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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stranger_danger said: i steal from corporations and shit... wallmart etc
i would never do something like that to a privately owned business
fuck corporations.
walmart is privately owned, mom & pop stores are corporations
the way I see it, if you steal, you steal and I cant trust you at all, thieves tend to be liars, you say you only steal from walmart and corporations but how do I know you arent lying, most others that make the claim lied, they'd steal my ipod, my TV or anything else they think they could get away with, if they see it and like it, they'll get it
fuck a thief
well, sorry you feel that way but im not gonna change my opinion because you now do not like me . I honestly do only do it to major corporations, whether you believe it or not is up to you....
almost makes me sad your willing to blanket term a group of people like that because of bad experiences.... oh well, sorry i guess we cant be friends
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Re: does shoplifting matter? do you look down on shoplifters? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350798 - 04/25/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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AntiEverything said: walmart is privately owned, mom & pop stores are corporations
got a source for that? "wal mart is privately owned"
it's real simple, public ownership means it's owned by the government, privately owned means it's owned by people not the government, shareholders are people, many like you and I that own shares in larger corporations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_ownership State ownership, also called public ownership, government ownership or state property, are property interests that are vested in the state, rather than an individual or communities.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_ownership Private property is the right of persons and firms to obtain, own, control, employ, dispose of, and bequeath land, capital, and other forms of property.[1] Private property is distinguished from public property, which refers to assets owned by a state, community or government rather than by individuals or a business entity.[
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