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should we let shell drill in the arctic?
#14349728 - 04/25/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shell spent $4billion surveying the arctic ocean for oil, and now they've been blocked by the EPA over unapproved carbon emissions? They cited concerns over the pollution saying that it may adversely affect the local villages, but the nearest village is 70 miles away from the site. Sounds more like the board just wanted to give shell the ol' middle finger.
We're gonna need the oil, may as well stop pussyfooting around it and just drill. These environmental agencies are good in theory but they're choking business like crazy. Here they say "sure spend 4 billion to check out the land, then we're gonna cockblock you at the last minute." They do it to all the power companies too. Blanket green policies are thrown down by feel good environmentalists with no knowledge of the industry that cost billions and are poorly set up or just plain ineffective. Kills jobs and all the while they still want more energy.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: JT]
#14349737 - 04/25/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Shell spent $4billion surveying the arctic ocean for oil, and now they've been blocked by the EPA over unapproved carbon emissions? They cited concerns over the pollution saying that it may adversely affect the local villages, but the nearest village is 70 miles away from the site. Sounds more like the board just wanted to give shell the ol' middle finger.
We're gonna need the oil, may as well stop pussyfooting around it and just drill. These environmental agencies are good in theory but they're choking business like crazy. Here they say "sure spend 4 billion to check out the land, then we're gonna cockblock you at the last minute." They do it to all the power companies too. Blanket green policies are thrown down by feel good environmentalists with no knowledge of the industry that cost billions and are poorly set up or just plain ineffective. Kills jobs and all the while they still want more energy.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: JT]
#14349750 - 04/25/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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4 billion to a massive company like shell is what 500 dollars is to you. Where is it there drilling, how are they going about it, how destructive is the process and will it adversely affect the wildlife and snow melt? Do you know any of this info or are you just siding with shell cause you dont wanna side with EPA
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: JT] 2
#14349769 - 04/25/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Shell spent $4billion surveying the arctic ocean for oil, and now they've been blocked by the EPA over unapproved carbon emissions? They cited concerns over the pollution saying that it may adversely affect the local villages, but the nearest village is 70 miles away from the site. Sounds more like the board just wanted to give shell the ol' middle finger.
We're gonna need the oil, may as well stop pussyfooting around it and just drill. These environmental agencies are good in theory but they're choking business like crazy. Here they say "sure spend 4 billion to check out the land, then we're gonna cockblock you at the last minute." They do it to all the power companies too. Blanket green policies are thrown down by feel good environmentalists with no knowledge of the industry that cost billions and are poorly set up or just plain ineffective. Kills jobs and all the while they still want more energy.
damn straight, fuck ecology, its costing oil companies money
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: JT]
#14349789 - 04/25/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dude it's the arctic I say go for. I won't ever live there. They can have Africa to.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: JT] 1
#14349803 - 04/25/11 03:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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JT said: Shell spent $4billion surveying the arctic ocean for oil, and now they've been blocked by the EPA over unapproved carbon emissions? They cited concerns over the pollution saying that it may adversely affect the local villages, but the nearest village is 70 miles away from the site. Sounds more like the board just wanted to give shell the ol' middle finger.
We're gonna need the oil, may as well stop pussyfooting around it and just drill. These environmental agencies are good in theory but they're choking business like crazy. Here they say "sure spend 4 billion to check out the land, then we're gonna cockblock you at the last minute." They do it to all the power companies too. Blanket green policies are thrown down by feel good environmentalists with no knowledge of the industry that cost billions and are poorly set up or just plain ineffective. Kills jobs and all the while they still want more energy.
we actually dont need the oil. humans survived for thousands upon thousands of years without oil, and besides that little fact we've even discovered newer more efficient ways of powering all those things that require oil. HEMP can be used for oil for christ's sake.
if we can't move past the use of fossil fuels and especially nuclear power for our day to day motor-run necessities then we truly are fucked as a species.
Edited by blazenn (04/25/11 04:03 PM)
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: blazenn]
#14349822 - 04/25/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no.
I know we need more oil but drillng for more now is just going to make the fall from oil that much more devastating.
Its like putting another bandaid on a bullet wound
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: blazenn]
#14349839 - 04/25/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14349850 - 04/25/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: 4 billion to a massive company like shell is what 500 dollars is to you. Where is it there drilling, how are they going about it, how destructive is the process and will it adversely affect the wildlife and snow melt? Do you know any of this info or are you just siding with shell cause you dont wanna side with EPA
Sounds like someone in his family works in the energy industry.
OP I'm sorry but companies like Shell will completely destroy entire ecosystems without regulation. I feel no sympathy for a company like Shell. Regardless of whether or not we need the energy, we have to take a stand somewhere.
I'd just like to point out the profits of GE and Shell, in this quarter, to give you an idea how much it doesn't matter;
GE -- $38.45 billion Shell -- 18.6 billion
The high cost of drilling for oil is going to push the clean energy sector into overdrive. It will help curb our dependance on oil and will ultimately provide a greener, brighter future for my children and the world. I'm okay with this, if we don't think about our future now, companies like GE and Shell will continue to rape and pilage our planet and my wallet.
Fuck your "business model," some things are more important than quarterly profits.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: urbanwolf]
#14349858 - 04/25/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't think we should drill anywhere.
We could totally live without oil.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: Deekay]
#14349863 - 04/25/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really don't think we need an oil spill in the arctic.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: blazenn]
#14349870 - 04/25/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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here's some fun facts for everyone that doesn't know just how much safer and efficient hemp used as bio-diesel fuel is compared to fossil fuels.
http://www.hemphasis.net/Fuel-Energy/fuel.htm
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Hemp can produce 10 tons of biomass per acre every four months. Enough energy could be produced on 6% of the land in the U.S. to provide enough energy for our entire country (cars, heat homes, electricity, industry) -- and we use 25% of the world's energy.
with as advanced as the rest of our technologies are becoming, it really makes you wonder why we're so far behind on what we use as fuel/energy.
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Ethanol, methanol, methane gas, and gasoline can be derived from biomass at a fraction of the cost of the current cost of oil, coal, or nuclear energy, especially when environmental costs are factored in. Each acre of hemp could yield about 1000 gallons of methanol.
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When an energy crop is growing, it takes carbon dioxide (CO2) from the air, and releases an equal amount when it is burned, creating a balanced system, unlike petroleum fuels, which only release CO2. When an energy crop like hemp is grown on a massive scale, it will initially lower the CO2 in the air, and then stabilize it at a level lower than before the planting of the energy crop.
but wait what the fuck am I thinking?
if we switch to hemp as our main source of fuel, which anyone can grow in their own backyard with very little effort, our beloved oil drilling companies will no longer be able to rape us for our cash by charging us for oil at several times the amount of money it costs them to drill for it and convert it to gas!!!!!
fuck it let's drill baby drill!!!! go full force lets fuck this planet for everything it's got!
Edited by blazenn (04/25/11 04:09 PM)
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: blazenn]
#14349916 - 04/25/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly. Thank you for pointing out the logic of biomass fuels, blazenn. Hemp is just one part of our future. Oil companies like Shell and BP will do everything in their power to stop the energy industry from moving forward.
They want you to be dependent upon them.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: urbanwolf] 1
#14349987 - 04/25/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hell no solar and wind are the answer!
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reeferaddict69 said: hell no solar and wind are the answer!
you have to diversify the energy portfolio or else resources will still be used
for instance you still need palladium to make solar panels, where do we get palladium? the fucking middle east, go figure.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350063 - 04/25/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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and the infrastructure to mine and refine rare earth metals of which china has over 80% of the market.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: AntiEverything]
#14350090 - 04/25/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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fortunately every solar panel you build doesn't consistently burn 200 pounds of palladium a month, its a step up from our current situation 
And I donno where you got that stat but russia, south africa, and the US are the 3 leaders of palladium production by and away.
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: twighead]
#14350120 - 04/25/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ah damn i was wrong
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: blewmeanie]
#14350136 - 04/25/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: I really don't think we need an oil spill in the arctic.
why not, it's a frozen wasteland 11.9mos out of the year
and they're already drilling prudhoe bay and kaparuk, right next to ANWR, one of the richest oil fields in the continental US, there's already rigs here to extract the oil but for some retarded reason everyone loves paying $5/gal
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Re: should we let shell drill in the arctic? [Re: Kada]
#14350137 - 04/25/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kada said: I don't think we should drill anywhere.
We could totally live without oil.
buggies need oil for their axles
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