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    #14347879 - 04/25/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have been surrounded by Christians for some time now. This has caused me to reflect on their situation more.

What I have realized is that Christianity is no more than a drug. It makes people feel good about themselves even though it isn't technically "real". Even if someone has doubts about it, they are able to suppress the doubts with the help of their fellow Christianity users.

Sometimes I even wish that I could be a Christian. I remember how much of a comfort the idea of God used to be when I was 13, and I was still a strong believer.

Another benefit to Christianity is that the negative effects it causes are usually minimal. For the average Christian the negative side-effects are practically non-existent. The only negative thing about it that I see is how it causes you to hold back on what you experience in the one chance you have to experience it. Even then, this is hardly negative from the subjective viewpoint of the partaker in Christianity.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14348716 - 04/25/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You should probably try a little bit of every religion then otherwise it would seem prejudice.
Besides Christianity is the most boring of them all :roulette:

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Another benefit to Christianity is that the negative effects it causes are usually minimal.




That's subjective... burning and torturing people in the name of god, not accepting the "live and let live" (example: condemning gay people), oppose to the use of contraceptives such as the condom, and if you wanna take the example of a truly devoted one, they can even go as far as organizing "Burn a Koran" days.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
    #14348810 - 04/25/11 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You should probably try a little bit of every religion then otherwise it would seem prejudice.
Besides Christianity is the most boring of them all :roulette:

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Another benefit to Christianity is that the negative effects it causes are usually minimal.




That's subjective... burning and torturing people in the name of god, not accepting the "live and let live" (example: condemning gay people), oppose to the use of contraceptives such as the condom, and if you wanna take the example of a truly devoted one, they can even go as far as organizing "Burn a Koran" days.



Name an incident within the last hundred years where people were burned and tortured by Christians.  Who cares if an extremist group of christians outside the norm burn the koran, its way more hateful and ridiculous than the bible anyways.  They're both bullshit.  As for the "god hates fags" and anti-contraception issues, i agree- absolute horse shit.  Most Christians are not like that in the least, but sure there are always extremists.

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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14348901 - 04/25/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Name an incident within the last hundred years where people were burned and tortured by Christians.




Inquisition? :confused2:


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    #14348946 - 04/25/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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1184 AD
1184 AD - Pope Innocent III started the first Inquisition, called the Medieval Inquisition in 1184, in response to the rise of rival Christian sects such as the Cathars and Waldensians.
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1231
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1233
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1391
Jul 1391 - The main target of the Inquisition were the so-called conversos, Jews who had converted to Catholicism following the anti-Jewish pogroms of July, 1391. It is ironic, therefore, that the Inquisition, as a Christian body, had no jurisdiction over Jews, but only ...  Show more
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1478
1478 - Queen Isabella was a "fervent" Christian and, in 1478, she asked the Pope for permission to set up an Inquisition to weed out heresy in the Christian world, with the Pope helpfully accommodating by establishing the Inquisition.
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1542
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1559
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1674
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Also I should have mentioned that i was specifically referring to the states.

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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14349017 - 04/25/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just to reinforce that christians burned and tortured anything that they didn't like??
"Just because I please, you are a witch so we will now torture and kill you"

And why do you think a religion should be any different just because you're in the states??
It's even worst... I mean "now we don't burn heretics, just their books" :roulette:


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
    #14349046 - 04/25/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all organized religion is a fucking joke and god can suck my balls 2x. hes a vengeful angry beasty whos bloodlust is unquenchable, Im gonna start praying to Joe Pesci.

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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
    #14349133 - 04/25/11 01:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Just to reinforce that christians burned and tortured anything that they didn't like??
"Just because I please, you are a witch so we will now torture and kill you"

And why do you think a religion should be any different just because you're in the states??
It's even worst... I mean "now we don't burn heretics, just their books" :roulette:



Well for one the constitution-
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The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is also the first section of the Bill of Rights. It is arguably the most important part of the U.S. Constitution, as it guarantees freedoms of religion, speech, writing and publishing, peaceful assembly, and the freedom to raise grievances with the Government.



Also holding christans accountable for shit that happened hundreds of years ago is like holding white people accountable (in present times) for the slavery of african americans.

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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14349207 - 04/25/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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guarantees freedoms of religion, speech, writing and publishing, peaceful assembly, and the freedom to raise grievances with the Government.








I don't see where that says acts of violence and censorship towards other religions.


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Also holding christans accountable for shit that happened hundreds of years ago is like holding white people accountable (in present times) for the slavery of african americans.




That would mean ALL white people practiced it and were for slavery which is wrong.

At that time all christians felt that "heretics" had to be dealt with, tortured and killed in public for all to see and applaud.
I'm not saying people practice it nowadays (obviously) but it's part of their history, and the way their mentality "developed".


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: pouihi]
    #14349230 - 04/25/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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guarantees freedoms of religion, speech, writing and publishing, peaceful assembly, and the freedom to raise grievances with the Government.








I don't see where that says acts of violence and censorship towards other religions.


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Also holding christans accountable for shit that happened hundreds of years ago is like holding white people accountable (in present times) for the slavery of african americans.




That would mean ALL white people practiced it and were for slavery which is wrong.

At that time all christians felt that "heretics" had to be dealt with, tortured and killed in public for all to see and applaud.
I'm not saying people practice it nowadays (obviously) but it's part of their history, and the way their mentality "developed".




So what evidence do you base the claim that all Christians supported the inquisition on?

Also, all that matters to everyone is their individual existence. All of these things that you subjectively label as "evil" have no bearing on the possible benefits of indulging in Christianity.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14349279 - 04/25/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All of these things that you subjectively label as "evil" have no bearing on the possible benefits of indulging in Christianity.




You're the one talking about labels.

"Subjectively" thinking that Christians have been responsible for a bunch of shit during history, as now stand for or represent principles that are contrary to the freedom of each, or even not wanting your kids to learn the evolution theory, or others mentioned above. I'm not giving my opinion but simply mentioning facts.

If I was Christian like I would probably be referring to them as "evil" or "devil sent" or "heretic" but as I'm fortunately not even close to that I don't give a rats ass to what they do as long as they don't interfere with others and as long as they RESPECT others.

Also I simply don't understand why when talking about religion you only mention trying chistianism as if it were the only religion on earth (again, the least interesting of all btw).


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    #14349526 - 04/25/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All of these things that you subjectively label as "evil" have no bearing on the possible benefits of indulging in Christianity.




You're the one talking about labels.

"Subjectively" thinking that Christians have been responsible for a bunch of shit during history, as now stand for or represent principles that are contrary to the freedom of each, or even not wanting your kids to learn the evolution theory, or others mentioned above. I'm not giving my opinion but simply mentioning facts.

If I was Christian like I would probably be referring to them as "evil" or "devil sent" or "heretic" but as I'm fortunately not even close to that I don't give a rats ass to what they do as long as they don't interfere with others and as long as they RESPECT others.

Also I simply don't understand why when talking about religion you only mention trying chistianism as if it were the only religion on earth (again, the least interesting of all btw).




The reason I focus on Christianity is because it is by far the most prevalent religious culture in the United States. I couldn't care less whether or not you find it "boring".

Also, your mentioning of subjective "moral" preferences has no objective bearing over anything I said. For the individual, I can see indulgence in Christianity causing subjective benefits. If you want to contribute to this thread why not attack that statement, for it is the focus. You can also objectively say that indulgence in Christianity can cause subjective benefits for an individual.


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Re: Why Not Do A Little Religion? [Re: 4896744]
    #14354393 - 04/26/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You can also objectively say that indulgence in Christianity can cause subjective benefits for an individual.




I could if had any proof of that, which I don't.


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    #14356338 - 04/26/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You can also objectively say that indulgence in Christianity can cause subjective benefits for an individual.




I could if had any proof of that, which I don't.




So you don't think Christians live happy lives?


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    #14356355 - 04/26/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Millions of people take comfort in their religion without bothering anybody else.  I don't but they do and it isn't just Xtians.


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Millions of people take comfort in their religion without bothering anybody else.  I don't but they do and it isn't just Xtians.




Yes, I know. I was just focusing on Christianity because this is the religion I am so bombarded with on a daily basis.


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    #14356667 - 04/26/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The only religion I've been "bombarded" with is Islam.


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    #14357130 - 04/26/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The only religion I've been "bombarded" with is Islam.




Well, you do not attend an extremely Baptist private high school.


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    #14359540 - 04/27/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You can also objectively say that indulgence in Christianity can cause subjective benefits for an individual.




I could if had any proof of that, which I don't.




So you don't think Christians live happy lives?




I don't think someone lives a happy life because they're christian, if you didn't have a home, clothing, food and comfort would you live happily just because you're a christian?? That's ridiculous, people praise something and then go around practicing the exact same deadly sins they condemn every day, and not respecting their ten commandments, yes theoretically they are all very religious, just as religious as pedophile priests exiled in the Vatican.

Karl Marx said "Religion is the opium of the people", I think they should probably try some real opium, or MDMA, it would definitely open some doors for them.


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The only religion I've been "bombarded" with is Islam.




Well, you do not attend an extremely Baptist private high school.



Poor baby, has to listen to people talk.  What a tragedy.  Meanwhile Islamists send real bombs.


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