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gerryjarcia
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14344748 - 04/24/11 06:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status. If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some curiously boring primitives. You would also laugh at their beliefs and mock their superstitious ideas. Oh, but because they get high too, their ideas suddenly have value. Especially their ideas about drugs. They get extra credit points because they mythologized their usage.
Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture around these parts?
wow joe, you speak with a lot of assumptions about me. first off, i don't know that i'd call myself a "psychedelic enthusiast". but you can throw whatever label you need to on me or anyone with my perspective if it helps to make you feel like your argument has more "substance".
second, i've been "into" anthropology and sociology for many years (hence the reason i went to school for both), long before i even started experimenting with psychedelics.
i see the light you're trying to cast me in but you missed the mark on this one. try not to give into the delusion that you know everyones story before you actually know them.
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14344762 - 04/24/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I cast a wide net with all of my posts but still think this one includes you despite your protests.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14344771 - 04/24/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well, it's all about mind-set, right? So, Keep it cool, just keep your mind occupied and do something fun
Based on my experience having done both shrooms and acid.. This can be caused by: personal problems, personality issues, religion?, worries/anxieties etc. I think it's because the drug has a power to reveal your subconscious state of mind..Therefore, it makes perfect sense that you will ponder about any personal worries or issues .
Nowdays, I keep it cool so I simply enjoy and laugh at things rather than get delusional about issues.
In my experience,LSD is more enjoyable than shrooms. Shrooms mind fucks alot, LSD doesn't
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gerryjarcia
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14344778 - 04/24/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: I cast a wide net with all of my posts but still think this one includes you despite your protests.
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"We are all intoxicated. We were born into an insane asylum, a world crazy-making. We believe what we see and hear. The real myth is the myth of sanity, of rationality: it's a disease that is eating away at the earth. All the poisons flow from our denial. We deny madness, we forget our crimes, we dismember the corpse, we imprison our children. We need poison to poison the poison, to remember the sacred nature of intoxication, the green body of the young god." ~ Dale Pendell
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I AM SWIM
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14344808 - 04/24/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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gerryjarcia said: as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.
Technology is and always will be a double-edged sword. It may be great to be technologically advanced, but not when that technology is being a detriment to a society and/or the environment.
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gerryjarcia
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14344845 - 04/24/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I AM SWIM said:
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gerryjarcia said: as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.
Technology is and always will be a double-edged sword. It may be great to be technologically advanced, but not when that technology is being a detriment to a society and/or the environment.[/url]
technology is only a means to an end and as such can only carry you so far.
spirit is something all together different, a vehicle we do not know the destination of.
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"We are all intoxicated. We were born into an insane asylum, a world crazy-making. We believe what we see and hear. The real myth is the myth of sanity, of rationality: it's a disease that is eating away at the earth. All the poisons flow from our denial. We deny madness, we forget our crimes, we dismember the corpse, we imprison our children. We need poison to poison the poison, to remember the sacred nature of intoxication, the green body of the young god." ~ Dale Pendell
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drpain27
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14345138 - 04/24/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A great model for using psychedelics as psychic exploration tools and tools to facilitate healing and growth is the shamanic style of passage. I recommend looking for further information on shamanism as in the mexican mushroom using shaman of mexico down to the ayahuasca using shaman of south america, namely peru and brazil.
check out www.thesacredvine.com
for some further information.
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I AM SWIM
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: drpain27]
#14345355 - 04/24/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dawks
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: I AM SWIM]
#14345399 - 04/24/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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From now on whenever it says "Religion" on a form I'll write "Shaman".
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Nunbuh_Chrubble
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
#14345574 - 04/24/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.
Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
#14345591 - 04/24/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well they do tend to do that.
I haven't really read much of this thread, really don't want to. However I do have some advice.
I find a benzo helps with this A LOT. Try taking a milligram of Xanax (1MG), Clonozapam (Klonopin)(1MG), or Valium(10MG).
Opiates or opioids also help sometimes too. Oxycodone especially, don't go too crazy with it though. If you're a first timer then don't take more than 5-10 milligrams.
Don't go too crazy on these though because they're HIGHLY addictive.
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I AM SWIM
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#14345674 - 04/24/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.
Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.
were not all debatin' wit joe molly thangs
we are just doin' thangs, just like u
is it a crime to dothangs?
should we create an official thread where we do thangs in that thread only and not be allowed to do thangs in other threads?
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Anthony917
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14346200 - 04/24/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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gerryjarcia said:
while it's true in part that they did take them to try and learn about the world that surrounded them they also took them to communicate and learn from something "larger" than themselves. they communed with "the dead", with those who had crossed over into "the other", whatever that "other" might be.
while science has been able to give account for many of the things we used to ascribe mystery to it still can not explain the metaphysical.
as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.
They thought they communicated with the dead because their brains were fried on psychs perhaps?
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: While I think this discussion is interesting, I feel like y'all are hijacking the thread.
Why don't you all go and start an "Official Debate w/ Joe Molloy Thread" thread.
i think it's relevant enough to the original post that it counts
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
#14347061 - 04/25/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't read this last page. I just had something to add here. My friend said something that really blew my mind for a second. Huge epiphanies and all that.
"Joolz (I got by Joolz irl) you're such a good guy." We were all tripping "You take psychs and find spirituality in them."
From that, as I tripped, I just kind of thought about that for a second. Basically, all drugs do is amplify your core values. He said I found spirituality in the sense that I'm happy, I want everyone around me to be happy. I don't want any nonsense. I just wanna talk about things that are interesting and amusing, and have a great time. Therefore, he called me a good guy.
That's all spirituality is to me. You can believe whatever you want to believe. The main thing is that we're all here to have a good time, so pass on the fun. Don't be a Debbie Downer or a Negative Nancy, or if you are stay home for the evening and get over it. Its all about fun in the long run.
I take these drugs and they remind me of why I am still alive. Psychedelics are probably the reason I haven't offed myself to be honest. I can sit for a second, be overcome with euphoria and numbness, and watch the walls begin to move and breathe with me. From there the trip goes as hard as I dosed, and I dose pretty hard these days. Take the drug, enjoy the moment, have fun.
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shallowbastard
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: nari]
#14347098 - 04/25/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thank you everybody for your input. first though, i mean no disrespect to those of you who take mushrooms for fun, i have too, and it has worked.
i've come to realized that, indeed, it has to do with the type of person you are. just because i reflect on real life issues doesn't mean i'm not enjoying myself or nevertheless taking the experience for granted.
it is just that, for me (personally), even though i might take shrooms just to have a good four hour trip, at some point of the trip, I reflect on where it is that my life is going because that is just the way that i am.
I'm aware that not everyone will feel this way, but what i do recall and hear from other peers, is that under the influence on psychedelics, we become a totally different person; a totally different person from who we are on a daily basis.
i see the mushrooms so different from anything i've ever experienced before; as it has been said sometimes, human words do no justice when describing the experience.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14347174 - 04/25/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everybody thinks about their life on psychs.
We don't become different people. We become our true selves. I've seen people literally yelling out the things that are important to them like "gotta go shopping, gotta get money, gotta do this, gotta do that" while they were tripping super balls. People put on a mask in day to day casual life, at least for the most part.
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shallowbastard
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Joolz]
#14347182 - 04/25/11 01:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Joolz said: We become our true selves.
this too.
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thedudeman
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14348778 - 04/25/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the idea that we somehow connect to a spirit realm on psychedelics to me is absolutely ridiculous, but as i have felt before it seems to set up a series of mirrors inside your head that bounce back thoughts and ideas over and over creating loops of thought inside your head. these thoughts when being bounced about cause you to contemplate them and look into their meaning and relation to you as a person. sometimes the ideas or feelings are so strong that they can cause huge shifts in your personality.
this may just be lower doses, on higher doses i feel even less of a spiritual connection, only strange thoughts with very little to none meaning in connection with my true state of mind.
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14349415 - 04/25/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shallowbastard said:
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Joolz said: We become our true selves.
this too.
Are you not your true self when drunk or stoned or cracked out or nodding or tweaking or sober? My true self is sober. The other states of mind, including tripping, require my brain to be flooded with chemicals that profoundly alter my personality, my thoughts, and my behavior. Psychedelics do not peel back the superficial you and reveal the some hidden and restrained self.
Unless you believe your true self to be stuck in a tripping land and your sober self stranded in consensus reality. In that case, eat your shrooms and Welcome Home (Sanitarium)!
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14349470 - 04/25/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I take psychedelics for the simultaneous thrill of fun and introspection.
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