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OfflineJasonGold
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My first grow.
    #14348937 - 04/25/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, I just made an account here and was hoping I could get some help on my first grow. I have a few questions and I was hoping if I could get a little help. I have a feeling all of these questions have been answered before, but I have so many questions that I wanted to post them all here at once. If you find it more convenient, you can just paste a link to a post that has been made answering any of these questions.

I ordered these mushroom spores last night. http://store.spores101.com/B-Plus--Psilocybe-Cubensis_p_11.html I got the B-plus spores because I heard they're harder to accidentally kill, and I was partial to the way they look.

Today I bought a bag of each Hoffman's vermiculite and perlite.

I have a one pint canning jar with a wide top so I can easily remove the cakes.

Tomorrow I am going to go to the store and buy the brown rice flour.

I was going to use a combination of both these guides to make the rice cake.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_mmgg.shtml
http://www.fungifun.org/

Also, do you have to use/make an incubator or could you store them in a warm dark place instead. The only fully submergable heaters I could find were at least $30 each, and I'd rather not buy it if I don't have to. Or does anybody have a way to make a real cheap incubator?

I stumbled upon this method for fruiting the shrooms. Do anybody know if this would work/recommend it? I'm on a limited budget and if using a cd case like this would work, that would be great. The only difference is that I was going to add some perlite to the vermiculite to keep the moisture up.
http://www.shroomery.org/10473/Cybers-Cheep-CD-Spindle-Grow-Tek

Am I missing anything at all?

Also, I only plan on making one cake because I only bought 1 syringe of spores. I plan on flushing the cakes then dunking them. Out of all of the shrooms that I grow, how many grams of dried shrooms will I approximately have? Assuming everything goes right of course.

Lastly, is there a way to take spores from mushrooms you grow and use them to make more cakes?

Thanks, Jason.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14348947 - 04/25/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Newest version of the PF Tek is shown in RR's videos: http://mushroomvideos.com/
Those older teks work but there's been some improvements.
No incubator, room temp is great.

Don't use pint jars, get widemouth half pints at Ace. :thumbup:


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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14348953 - 04/25/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

just put em on a shelf somewhere... doesnt even have to be completely dark... just as close to 70 degrees( room temp ) as u can get... dont make it to warm or contam rates go up (no hotter than say 78-80 degrees MAX) ......

also, go buy more jars.... knock up atleast 10 for your first grow, so if half of them contaminate who cares?

also, build a glove box... this can be done for not alot of money money and will up your success rate INSANELY....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4359637
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13552761#13552761

2 examples on this forum... search and u can find lots more

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14348961 - 04/25/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One syringe can make ten cakes, don't use an incubator unless your house gets to be under 60 degrees F, make half pint cakes if possible, have fun :smile::thumbup: If you've read up on the teks then you probably have all your info unless you have a specific question


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Re: My first grow. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14348970 - 04/25/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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One syringe can make ten cakes



Really? I honestly thought you could only use one syringe per jar, I'm definitely going to get a bunch more jars then. I was only going to use a pint jar because I was hoping it would get more mushrooms from one syringe, but now I'll probably just buy a bunch of half pint jars instead.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14348990 - 04/25/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you want about 1ml per jar, and pint jars colonize much more quickly than pint jars


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Re: My first grow. [Re: stranger_danger]
    #14348993 - 04/25/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what bof these guys said!
brf cakes in widemouth half pint
and DEFINITELY build a glove box

micropore tape is a must
iso. alcohol is a must (usually use 70% in a clean spray bottle)
doesnt hurt to have a sterilize-able scalpel for working with spores
plenty foil
bobs red mill sells bags of pre powdered brf.
when mixing the ingredients for your cakes, mix water and verm first, once evenly moist, add the brf evenly

since its your first grow, i would suggest the dry verm barrier on your cakes. doesnt have to be any deeper than 1/2" if that :wink:
just make sure your needles are long enough to go thru the barrier and into the substrate

you can use your pint jars, JasonGold, theyll just take a bit longer to colonize
the half pint are wider and shorter, they colonize faster ime


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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14349004 - 04/25/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, squirt 1cc in each jar, divided between the 3 holes. You can use more solution if you want, 1-3cc's but not too much, youll throw off the water content.

remember all you really need is 2 spores to germinate. There are thousands in 1cc of solution.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: shroomiin]
    #14349013 - 04/25/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Instead of a glove box can I use this technique? It seems like basically the same thing, just even cheaper. Also, I really want to thank everyone for their replies so far, I hope they keep coming. I'll definitely use all the advice I can get.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14349023 - 04/25/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What's this technique?


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Re: My first grow. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14349036 - 04/25/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oops sorry, I thought I pasted it in there. Here it is.
http://www.shroomery.org/8675/Low-Dollar-Sterile-Technique

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14349063 - 04/25/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That'll stop contams from getting in but as for the ones that are always present, like the ones on your needle, you have to flame/alcohol it. Why don't you go through how you plan to inoculate starting with empty dry jars :wink: And we can help


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Re: My first grow. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14349094 - 04/25/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do it like Roger Rabbit does in the videos. Exactly like that.


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    #14349103 - 04/25/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: My first grow. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14349171 - 04/25/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Do it like Roger Rabbit does in the videos. Exactly like that.



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Re: My first grow. [Re: BargainBab]
    #14349191 - 04/25/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alright sounds like a plan.

I'm going to buy some rubbing alcohol and clean all of the empty jars.
Then I'm going to mix my verm with water until its equally wet, but not to wet. Just wet enough so when I squeeze it a tiny bit of water comes out.
Then I'm going to mix in the Brown Rice Flour.
Then I'm going to back the jars with the substrate but not tightly, leaving about a half inch left in the top of the jar.
Then I'm going to use rubbing alcohol and clean the top half inch real well.
Then I'm going to fill the top half inch with dry verm.
I'm going to poke 4 holes in the top of each lid and put the tops on the jars then put tin foil over the lids of the jars.
Then I'm going to bring a large pot of water to a slow boil. Add the jars. Put the top on the pot and let them boil for about 90 minutes. Every once in a while I'll add a little water to combat evaporation. Also I'm going to have something on the bottom of the pot so the jars aren't directly on the bottom of the pot.
After the 90 minutes are up, I'm going to turn off the heat on the stove and let the jars cool to room temperature.
After they are cooled off, I'm going to set my oven to the lowest possible temperature, open the door, and pull out the bottom rack. Then I am going to take the tin foil off the the lids off the jars.
I am going to shake the syringe to remove any clumps then hold the need over a flame until it is red.
I am going to inset the needle in to each hole in the lid with it going towards the edge of the jar. In between each jar I am going to re-sterilize the needle.
The I am going to put the tin foil back on the lids of the jars and put in a warm spot and wait.

Is that good? Any recommendations?

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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14349256 - 04/25/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds fine lol. Just make sure your syringe is cooled before you try to inoculate. :\ It's a bitch when you find out you didn't wait long enough


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Re: My first grow. [Re: john6886]
    #14349278 - 04/25/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Jason; take a look at this tek. Very informative and super easy to follow.


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613#11585613




I just read the whole thing. Thanks a bunch for posting. That was basically my plan. The only part I didn't get on there was the terrarium.

For the cd case terrarium I posted, I'm guessing that would only work with one cake each? Does anybody have a link to a good terrarium that I could make for about $10 or so? That's not including the perlite which I have.


And thanks BargainBob, I'll remember to do that.

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Re: My first grow. [Re: Doc_T]
    #14349309 - 04/25/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

please dont do the oven rack inoculation

build a glove box

its a $10 or less investment that youll use longer than most your supplies

a clear tub, clear lid, and a hot metal can (like yuban coffee :lol: ) to melt arm holes

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Do it like Roger Rabbit does in the videos. Exactly like that.




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Re: My first grow. [Re: JasonGold]
    #14349316 - 04/25/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shotgun FC. Like in the videos.


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