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Mush 4 Brains
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I don't believe in karma
#14349065 - 04/25/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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A quick browse through recent posts on the shroomery, will on average yield the words karma and spiritual at least once(usually multiple times) Ive also noticed many of you are vehemently anti-religion yet many of you are "spiritual." Few here are atheists but few here admit to believing in god. I find this strange, instead many adopt this superstitious notion of karma. Karma in my opinion is nothing more than the law of averages. If you wrong others frequently its eventually going to catch up to you, not because of some mystical force at work but because- if you play with fire you're eventually going to get burned. Thoughts?
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Mush 4 Brains said: not because of some mystical force at work but because- if you play with fire you're eventually going to get burned. Thoughts?
Yes, I agree... if your a shady person, you prob do shady things with other shady people, it's like following a bad recipe.
but since this planet is pretty magical, I like to think of it as a magical force! =D
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I totally agree with everything you just said.
Karma, in the sense that most people speak of it, is bullshit. If you wrong other people frequently enough, it will (most likely) come back around to hurt you in some way. But this is not guaranteed, and it is not through some mysterious mystical mechanism, but rather through methods that are easily understandable and explainable. It is really simply through the feedback of others, and could simply be called the "consequences of your actions".
I am the biggest believer in the power of psychedelics and speak endlessly about the "magic" that they are capable of, but I also consider myself an atheist because I don't believe in any god(s). I also put the word magic in quotes because I believe that even the most transcendent, "spiritual", connected-to-the-universe, ego-loss-driven experiences are explainable in physical terms, even if we don't fully understand the mechanisms that give rise to it.
For anyone that considers themselves spiritual I would ask, what is a spirit? Please define. I've never heard a definition that did not invoke nebulous terms with fuzzy meanings that cannot be pinned down.
To me the universe can be explained in terms of mathematics and physics, and all other sciences, philosophies, experiences, and everything else that constitutes reality stem from those.
And there's nothing sad or disappointing about that, it's quite beautiful really.
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: Don Juan]
#14349149 - 04/25/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don Juan said:
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Mush 4 Brains said: not because of some mystical force at work but because- if you play with fire you're eventually going to get burned. Thoughts?
Yes, I agree... if your a shady person, you prob do shady things with other shady people, it's like following a bad recipe.
but since this planet is pretty magical, I like to think of it as a magical force! =D 
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: Plok]
#14349186 - 04/25/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am the biggest believer in the power of psychedelics and speak endlessly about the "magic" that they are capable of, but I also consider myself an atheist because I don't believe in any god(s)
Reminds me of a Carl Sagan quote i like:
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The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by God one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."
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I dislike the term spiritual but there are ways to enhance sensory functioning and increase the levels of what you might call "energy" or "spirit" the body is capable of experiencing.
The meaning of the word Karma is very much misunderstood by spiritualists from what I've read and means that reality is a unitary movement. Similar to the idea of no free will; cause and effect etc. (though the word karma dispenses with the idea of it being reactionary and interperets it as simply a unitary action)
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i see karma arising from the fact that everything is observed by the self. so no matter what you do, something knows you did that and it will naturally come back around because nothing is forgotten and the nature of everything is to return to equilibrium. If you steal something, regardless of if you feel bad in your conscious mind, that is observed by the all pervasive witness and events will naturally unfold to make that shit come around. It's a fairly mystical notion and I can understand why you might not want to accept it in your own life. But I really do believe we reap what we sow, and that you get out what you put in. Meditating every day has driven this home to me, so has creating art....you put good energy out, good energy comes back towards you.
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: g00ru]
#14349656 - 04/25/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should a hyena feel guilt and expereince karma for stealing another animal's kill? Does the lion reaps what he sows when killing a zebra?
What karma have you sown for your repeated intellectual dishonesty on these boards?
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Edited by OrgoneConclusion (04/25/11 04:08 PM)
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Well, most other animals aren't involved in social relationships quite as subtle and complex as we humans are. Our ability to abstract and symbolize gives the idea of karma a little more reality for us than for most other species, I think.
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g00ru
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OrgoneConclusion said: What karma have you sown for your repeated intellectual dishonesty on these boards?
that's like, your opinion, man
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To me, Karma is simply Cause and Effect.
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: mikeisapro]
#14357303 - 04/26/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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that is what it is
karma=action
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: g00ru]
#14357353 - 04/26/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yep
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Mush 4 Brains said: I find this strange, instead many adopt this superstitious notion of karma. Karma in my opinion is nothing more than the law of averages. If you wrong others frequently its eventually going to catch up to you, not because of some mystical force at work but because- if you play with fire you're eventually going to get burned. Thoughts?
A few years ago there was this referendum in order to legalize the abortion, and this magazine made an article about all religions point of view on this.
I was overwhelmed when I saw the opinion of the guy that represented the budhist community in portugal when asked "What if a woman is raped?" to which he replied "Well if that happens it's a part of her life cycle, it's her karma so she has to endure it".
what the fuck man??? 
Surprisingly one of the few religions that tolerated it was the islamic.
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: pouihi]
#14361621 - 04/27/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's just a Buddhist way of looking at it. "It happened"
Not much more to say about it.
Edited by xFrockx (04/27/11 03:12 PM)
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Mush 4 Brains
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: pouihi]
#14361721 - 04/27/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said:
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Mush 4 Brains said: I find this strange, instead many adopt this superstitious notion of karma. Karma in my opinion is nothing more than the law of averages. If you wrong others frequently its eventually going to catch up to you, not because of some mystical force at work but because- if you play with fire you're eventually going to get burned. Thoughts?
A few years ago there was this referendum in order to legalize the abortion, and this magazine made an article about all religions point of view on this.
I was overwhelmed when I saw the opinion of the guy that represented the budhist community in portugal when asked "What if a woman is raped?" to which he replied "Well if that happens it's a part of her life cycle, it's her karma so she has to endure it".
what the fuck man??? 
Surprisingly one of the few religions that tolerated it was the islamic.
Well my response to that would be an abortion can and should be a part of her life cycle. It is very strange that the Islamic religion would tolerate abortions considering they punish rape victims. Ah it makes sense now, its not so much an abortion as it is the women being killed for being a victim.
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I see karma as being instant. The bad karma is IN the bad act. If you wrong someone, your bad karma is that you wronged them. If you helped someone, your good karma is that you helped someone, dig?
There is no cosmic force that rewards you or anything like that.
If you live a harmonious life and are helpful to others, that life repays you with that happiness that comes from living a harmonious life.
Happiness comes from good deeds. Despair comes from immoral deeds. Karma exists, but not in the sense that you'll be rewarded by finding a dollar or something like that...
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Mush 4 Brains said: Well my response to that would be an abortion can and should be a part of her life cycle. It is very strange that the Islamic religion would tolerate abortions considering they punish rape victims. Ah it makes sense now, its not so much an abortion as it is the women being killed for being a victim.
Yeah, I was like "islam?" , go figure  I found this though:
"In principle, the Qur'an condemns the killing of humans (except in the case of defense or as capital punishment), but it does not explicitly mention abortion. This leads Islamic theologians to take up different viewpoints: while the majority of early Islamic theologians permitted abortion up to day 40 of pregnancy or even up to day 120, many countries today interpret these precepts protecting unborn children more conservatively. Although there is no actual approval of abortion in the world of Islam, there is no strict, unanimous ban on it, either. Islam has not given any precise directions with regard to the issue of abortion. Hence it is not a matter, which has been clearly stated in the Shari'ah (Islamic Law) but rather an issue pertaining to the application of our knowledge of the Shari'ah. Such application may vary in conclusion with a difference in the basic premises of one's arguments."
(http://www.islamawareness.net/FamilyPlanning/Abortion/abortion3.html)
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Re: I don't believe in karma [Re: pouihi]
#14365148 - 04/28/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Karma Kops. Fuck them. I don't believe in Karma Kops either. Just another control mechanism to try to influence behavior. "What goes around comes around". I laugh when the Karma Kops say that. What the fuck does it mean anyway? They always get their punishment mean face on when they say it. Fuck them.
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Karma is like when you compete with your best bud for a chick and 'win' and she turns out to be a real kunt.
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