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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Kada]
#14348304 - 04/25/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He killed men, woman and children in Iraq and I think this is his way of dealing with it I think.
Yeah, he sounds like a cool guy. I hope his transvestism can distract him from the lives he's ruined.
grow up....you are going to get your ass kicked one day for running your mouth...
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Either way it isn't just about the physical part of it at all. My friend could have went about it a lot differently and been a better friend about it. I wouldn't have taken it so hard if he wasn't being a complete tool about it.
I suppose you have been the best friend you could be about it right....you've read a few books an essays on the topic? maybe talked to a shrink about what you're going through?
ethical doctors will require you to have many sessions with a therapist before surgery...but these are plastic surgeons we are talking about...
it sounds like you have trouble accepting the idea that someone can go through so radical a transformation...Ill spare you theorizing about why this is....
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348316 - 04/25/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He killed men, woman and children in Iraq and I think this is his way of dealing with it I think.
Yeah, he sounds like a cool guy. I hope his transvestism can distract him from the lives he's ruined.
grow up....you are going to get your ass kicked one day for running your mouth...
By someone who thinks its okay to kill women and children?
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348320 - 04/25/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A robot who thinks he is protecting freedom. I was in the military too. I never went over seas but I wouldn't have killed anyone anyways. I almost got dishonorably discharged because my unit found out I was explicitly against murdering people for fucked up reasons.
When I joined I was right out of high school and wanted to help the country and bought all the lies about protecting our freedom and making the world peaceful. HA I was such a sucker. They saw me coming from a mile away.
They discharged me with a honorable discharge for medical reasons. I was on meds for a fucked up back and they used it to get rid of me.
If we went to war for honorable reasons and to actually DEFEND our country I wouldn't have a problem with killing someone. The ways it's done these days are sick and full of lies. There is no honor in it and the only thing we are protecting is the rich and their wallets.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348324 - 04/25/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know it's not that simple I just meant happiness is internal but it sounds like he's probably dealing with a lot. (this part was for kada)
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Mad_Larkin said: I suppose that's what you have to do if you don't want to let it destroy you.
The question is, what kind of fucked up piece of shit can take the lives of women and children? Seriously...
While I feel that completely, it's fucking war there are no rules. It's just not a grand plan to join the US armed forces these days I swear.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348327 - 04/25/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He killed men, woman and children in Iraq and I think this is his way of dealing with it I think.
Yeah, he sounds like a cool guy. I hope his transvestism can distract him from the lives he's ruined.
grow up....you are going to get your ass kicked one day for running your mouth...
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Either way it isn't just about the physical part of it at all. My friend could have went about it a lot differently and been a better friend about it. I wouldn't have taken it so hard if he wasn't being a complete tool about it.
I suppose you have been the best friend you could be about it right....you've read a few books an essays on the topic? maybe talked to a shrink about what you're going through?
ethical doctors will require you to have many sessions with a therapist before surgery...but these are plastic surgeons we are talking about...
it sounds like you have trouble accepting the idea that someone can go through so radical a transformation...Ill spare you theorizing about why this is....
Im not even replying to your posts. Your a tool and everyone knows it.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348331 - 04/25/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mello Kitty]
#14348338 - 04/25/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Speaking of radical transformations...
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348345 - 04/25/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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He killed men, woman and children in Iraq and I think this is his way of dealing with it I think.
Yeah, he sounds like a cool guy. I hope his transvestism can distract him from the lives he's ruined.
grow up....you are going to get your ass kicked one day for running your mouth...
By someone who thinks its okay to kill women and children? 
you think very two dimensionally and obviously don't understand the scope of your original statements....well at least I hope it's an issue of under-education and lack of insight instead of something ghastly like fatal ignorance
you are not for rehabilitation and believe people should rot away for stupid things they did under pressure and at a young age?
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14348356 - 04/25/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: I know it's not that simple I just meant happiness is internal but it sounds like he's probably dealing with a lot. (this part was for kada)
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Mad_Larkin said: I suppose that's what you have to do if you don't want to let it destroy you.
The question is, what kind of fucked up piece of shit can take the lives of women and children? Seriously...
While I feel that completely, it's fucking war there are no rules. It's just not a grand plan to join the US armed forces these days I swear.
I think you'll find there ARE rules in war. That's why we have "war crimes".
Aside from the things that human beings should be able to discern using their own morality (something which seems to be drummed out of them at the earliest opportunity during military training) e.g. not killing unarmed women and children.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348366 - 04/25/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are not for rehabilitation and believe people should rot away for stupid things they did under pressure and at a young age?
I'll humour you for a while.
Nope, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be rehabilitated, all I'm saying is that the murder of women and children is inexcusable. I don't care how "under pressure" or "young" you are. If you can't see the immorality of those actions you shouldn't be in the fucking miliatry.
Giving guns to people who crack under pressure and start killing civilians? Genius.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348373 - 04/25/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In my friends defense he wasn't aiming at them. They were in a building behind the one he was shooting at. There was a sniper in the building that was killing the shit out of another fireteam. They killed the sniper and then saw the dead bodies in the house behind the one the sniper was in. Fucked him up. That's what you get for making murder your job tho. To bad innocent people had to die over it.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Kada]
#14348383 - 04/25/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, admittedly that's different.
I was under the impression that he'd done it intentionally.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348390 - 04/25/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are not for rehabilitation and believe people should rot away for stupid things they did under pressure and at a young age?
I'll humour you for a while.
Nope, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be rehabilitated, all I'm saying is that the murder of women and children is inexcusable. I don't care how "under pressure" or "young" you are. If you can't see the immorality of those actions you shouldn't be in the fucking miliatry.
Giving guns to people who crack under pressure and start killing civilians? Genius.
Can you be friends with someone who has committed inexcusable acts? If so would you voice your opinion to that person that their past behavior is/was inexcusable? Would it make you feel better?
Do you have any suggestions for improving the military state without impossible, overwhelming bureaucratic tasks or do you prefer to think in a purely observational perspective?
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348427 - 04/25/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I think you'll find there ARE rules in war. That's why we have "war crimes".
Aside from the things that human beings should be able to discern using their own morality (something which seems to be drummed out of them at the earliest opportunity during military training) e.g. not killing unarmed women and children.
Word up but none of that means jack in battle is all I am saying which is compounded by the fact that these are not exactly traditional wars. And yeah totally agree they turn you into a trained killing machine the harm that must do to the psyche....
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348428 - 04/25/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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you are not for rehabilitation and believe people should rot away for stupid things they did under pressure and at a young age?
I'll humour you for a while.
Nope, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be rehabilitated, all I'm saying is that the murder of women and children is inexcusable. I don't care how "under pressure" or "young" you are. If you can't see the immorality of those actions you shouldn't be in the fucking miliatry.
Giving guns to people who crack under pressure and start killing civilians? Genius.
Can you be friends with someone who has committed inexcusable acts? If so would you voice your opinion to that person that their past behavior is/was inexcusable? Would it make you feel better?
Do you have any suggestions for improving the military state without impossible, overwhelming bureaucratic tasks or do you prefer to think in a purely observational perspective?
Would it make me feel better about what? The fact that he's a murderer? No.
Yes, I would voice my opinions that what they did was wrong, and yes, I'd be prepared to break up the friendship over it.
My suggestions would be for the military to stop attempting to brainwash their recruits into believing that killing is acceptable or somehow glorious. But of course that isn't going to happen because it's totally antithetical to the purpose of the military.
I'm not a pacifist, I just think that taking a life should be done with the utmost consideration. And, yes, I realise this is difficult in the heat of a firefight and accidents do happen. As Kada said his friend killed those people by accident, I didn't know that.
So consequently this debate is about the intentional murder of civilians during a war. Are you going to defend that?
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Cherk]
#14348431 - 04/25/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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GOD THEY ALWAYS KEEP TALKING; I DON'T KNOW WHY I FORGET THAT
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: unam sanctum]
#14348437 - 04/25/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mad_Larkin said: I think you'll find there ARE rules in war. That's why we have "war crimes".
Aside from the things that human beings should be able to discern using their own morality (something which seems to be drummed out of them at the earliest opportunity during military training) e.g. not killing unarmed women and children.
Word up but none of that means jack in battle is all I am saying which is compounded by the fact that these are not exactly traditional wars. And yeah totally agree they turn you into a trained killing machine the harm that must do to the psyche....
Yeah, I agree it must be difficult when the enemy looks just like the civlian populace.
But, I've observed just by talking to military types. People who've been through training and done tours in Iraq that the majority of them have NO respect for the Iraqi people. They look down on them, refer to them as "ragheads", etc. That perspective is obviously not going to breed compassion in the heat of battle.
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
#14348489 - 04/25/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd warn him about the prejudice he could expect from almost everyone, also about the dangers involved about taking hormones for mtf and the painful process that the surgery probably is...
Other then that i'd want to be 100% sure... I think if someone does have gender issues that is already easily visible at young age and that it's not just a consequence of a wrong perceived way on sexuality through puberty.
In the end I think I would just and say go for it if that's what makes you happy !
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: Beanhead]
#14348521 - 04/25/11 11:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Beanhead said: I think I would just and say go for it if that's what makes you happy !
this is what real parents are supposed to be for, 1st and foremost, the strongest pillars in your support system.. wish i could say that about mine. but i gotta give it to them lately, that mite be the 1st time in a long time ive said that. we'll see if it lasts **crosses fingers**
but i look to my BF's family, if i want to see how a Real family is suppose to work they have finally excepted me
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Re: If your son told you he wanted to be a post-op transvestite, how would you react? [Re: sunset_mission]
#14348563 - 04/25/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: how would you react?
Son, er.. daughter, well, whatever the fuck you are, I am extremely disappoint.
Don't let the door hit your vagina on the way out.
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