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Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions
#14347954 - 04/25/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I already asked this on another forum, but I didn't get any answers:
I bought this Salvia cutting from an online shop, It's about 30 days ago it arrived. I followed the tutorial video's instructions and everything looked fine!
This video:
I put a plastic bag over the plants pot and acclimatized it by punching some holes through it every day. But then I decided to continue the growth inside a sort of "greenhouse", so not acclimitizing the plant and growing it in high air humidity. Because I just think it's better for the plant, maybe even better to gain higher alkaloid levels (I'm just guessing this).
Some days ago, let's say around a week, some leaves of the salvia began showing some brownish discoloration 'spots' at the edges. I decided to repot the plant, because at first I planted it in a closed pot, so no water could run out. I read it's best to get a good water drainage.
So I repotted it in a bigger pot, with gravel at the bottom to get a good drainage, and I used sowing and cutting soil. Gave it a good watering (with fungicide in it, because all my plants get this white fuzzy 'mold' when not using this so it seems) and placed a new bag over it with no holes (so it normally has a higher air humidity in this pot).
I also removed the lowest pair of leaves, because there were some roots above this leaves and I saw this on the tutorial (but didn't do it in the beginning).Now the leaves of the plant are still looking a bit weak and quite slack. What can I do about this? Forgot to mention: I keep this plant out of full sunlight!
Some pictures:
 The brownish spots on the leaves, this leave has the worst spots, other leaves have less and some don't have it.
 Without plastic bag over it.
 Normal 'setup'.
 Better days! Pic taken on the 2nd of April.
This was about a week ago, now it looks more like this:
The salvia looks quite normal in the daytime. But during night the leaves are hanging much lower. Maybe this is normal (Day/night cycle of the plant)? It's develloping new leaves, but the older ones still have this brown discoloration. Now I placed a plastic bag over it with a MicroPore filter, so there's air exchange. Also, I put some sort of "gel" on top of the soil. It can absorbing a lot of water, so the air humidity will allways be high (I hope).
Some pictures without the plastic bag:


Anyone an idea what I can do about this brown spots on the leaves? Is this 'normal'? It doesn't seem to grow bigger, so I hope the plant will survive!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14348148 - 04/25/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like you might be over-watering that baby. Make sure you let the soil mostly dry out before you re-saturate it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: EthnoHorter]
#14348191 - 04/25/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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EthnoHorter said: Looks like you might be over-watering that baby. Make sure you let the soil mostly dry out before you re-saturate it.
Hey thanks! It never occurred to me that you could over-water this plant. I thought it liked lots of water, but now I'll cut back on the watering!
Another question: should I put the salvia in direct sunlight for some hours every day (in the morning maybe)? Or is indirect sunlight good enough?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14348253 - 04/25/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Indirect is good enough for now. Once established and healthy they can take a good amount of sunlight, but partial shade seems best.
Your soil mix and watering regime are the source of your woes. That soil is killing your plant. You need a lighter and more airy mix.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: naum]
#14348265 - 04/25/11 10:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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naum said:
Your soil mix and watering regime are the source of your woes. That soil is killing your plant. You need a lighter and more airy mix.
Hmm, I have some cacti soil over here, is this better? I also have some vermiculite, so I could mix some soil with that?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14351949 - 04/25/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use perlite in your soil to get a nice free draining mix. Cut the soil you have now with a third perlite, Two thirds soil.
Only water it when the top of the soil goes dry, preferably down to your first knuckle on your forefinger.
Get rid of that gel shit. It's like tits on a bull, useless. Your humidity tent is supplying your humidity. Also, Salvia doesn't need high humidity, it's only when introduced to a new environment that you use a humidity tent to minimize stress. Salvia can be happy at 40% RH.
The brown spots are fairly normal and as your plant gets used to your environment the new growth should be free of spots and will continue to look healthier and more vigourous as time goes by. All of the growth put on when it was at the vendor will get ugly because it's getting used to your environment. Nothing you can do, except it and be patient for it to get used to it's new home. Might take a month or Two.
The leaves sagging at night are normal, they will perk up in the mornings when they can capture the sunlight. As naum said leave it in indirect light until you've acclimatised it, then you can increase the light. Direct light they don't like too much.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: karode13]
#14353499 - 04/26/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very helpful response karode13! Is it OK to replace the perlite by vermiculite? I was thinking about growing this salvia in a humidity tent until it gets too big, is this a good method? Or is acclimatizing it to my climate better (by punching holes in the plastic bag to slowly get a lower air humidity)? I think this plant is rather small and maybe not strong enough for good acclimatization, because I tried it before and the plant didn't seem to like it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14353603 - 04/26/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Vermiculite should work fine as long as the pot has adequate drainage, ie holes in and some gravel in the bottom. Punching holes in the bag will work well too. This is a pretty hardy plant so don't be afraid of hurting her too much.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: EthnoHorter]
#14353639 - 04/26/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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EthnoHorter said: Vermiculite should work fine as long as the pot has adequate drainage, ie holes in and some gravel in the bottom. Punching holes in the bag will work well too. This is a pretty hardy plant so don't be afraid of hurting her too much.
Thanks! I already have a pot with drainage holes in the bottom. These holes are too big for the gravel I got for the moment though, so I'll look for some bigger gravel.
Another question: should I be thinking about fertilizers already? If I'll give the Salvia new soil with vermiculite, the new soil will have some nutrients in it I think, so I should wait longer with fertilizers?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14359297 - 04/27/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it OK to replace the perlite by vermiculite?
Not if you want to increase drainage. Vermiculite does have some aeration properties but it's main job is to hold moisture. You should use perlite and your pots should always have holes in the bottom regardless of what plant you're growing.
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I was thinking about growing this salvia in a humidity tent until it gets too big, is this a good method? Or is acclimatizing it to my climate better (by punching holes in the plastic bag to slowly get a lower air humidity)?
I'd acclimatise it myself. Keep it in the humidity tent until it looks like it's doing ok. At this stage you can begin poking holes in the tent. People who say salvia needs 80%+ humidity to grow happily don't know what they're talking about.
As for the plant not liking it when you try to acclimatise, it'll wilt a little, it may even drop a leaf or Two but it should perk up and put on new growth as it gets used to the climate. The trick is to acclimatise slowly. If you just removed the tent without poking holes it will get shocked and this is where things go wrong. Do your acclimating over a Two week period, longer if you feel it's needed.
Once that little plant gets used to your environment it will grow into a large plant with leaves as long as your hand.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: karode13]
#14371784 - 04/29/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the answers! In some moments I will give the Salvia a new soil. I'm going to use a mix that I found on erowid:
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Leander Valdés, who studied S. divinorum at the University of Michigan, used the following mixture:
* 4 parts soil * 2 parts peat moss * 1 part vermiculite * 1 part perlite
But the erowid grower's guide also says:
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Regardless of what soil mixture you use, try to keep your soil pH between 6.1 and 6.6.
Will the soil be between this pH levels when using that much peat moss? Peat moss is between 3,5-4,5.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14371815 - 04/29/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I also have small limestone pebbles. Maybe I could add a little to the mixture?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14371822 - 04/29/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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man i hate salvia. but its a recipricated feeling.
good luck with yours. Great video by the way.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14371837 - 04/29/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's a reasonable soil mixture. It's 1/4 peat moss and that part of the world has alkaline tap water. Should be fine. I still think you'd benefit by dropping the vermiculite and replacing its portion with more perlite.
My mixture is only about 10% peat based, but water is close to neutral (slightly acidic) here. I use a fair amount of coir (30%?) for the airiness. The rest is just the base I make for cactus and some worm castings. They seem to like it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: naum]
#14371873 - 04/29/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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naum said: That's a reasonable soil mixture. It's 1/4 peat moss and that part of the world has alkaline tap water. Should be fine. I still think you'd benefit by dropping the vermiculite and replacing its portion with more perlite.
We have very hard tap water over here I think. Erowid says this:
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Avoid tap water that is excessively hard (i.e., above 150 ppm hardness), or water with sodium levels above 50 ppm (a level which some municipal water can exceed even without softening). Water above these levels has a deleterious effect upon S. divinorum.
And why is perlite so much better as vermiculite? If Leander Valdés (who studied S. divinorum at the University of Michigan) used the same mixture, it'll be fine I guess. But if 1/4th of the mix is peat moss (pH 3,5-4,5), and the other ingredients are pH neutral (I think?) the pH will be slightly acidic (pH between 6,1 and 6,6)?
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ferrel_human said:
good luck with yours. Great video by the way.
It's not my video, it's a tutorial vid of the online shop.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14372033 - 04/29/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Perlite is better because it increases drainage and makes the mixture much more airy. Vermiculite is like a sponge and holds on to water and decreases drainage and in most soil mixtures decreases airiness as well.
Soil pH is not an exact science and calculation of the "soil pH" does not work in the manner you think it does. There are a lot of buffers and complex reactions occurring constantly. The pH of the water used for watering also contributes largely to "soil pH". What matters most is that the plant is able to take up nutrients and being able to correct the problem when it is unable to.
I meant alkaline in terms of pH as in that's why a "large" amount of peat was fine for Valdes mixture. If your worried about water quality then use rain water or RO water.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: naum]
#14372112 - 04/29/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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nah man, i meant its a good video. to teach people how to grow.
i tried all these things and still had no luck with mine. which were several by the way.
she hates me so i, in turn, hate her.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: naum]
#14372329 - 04/29/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so I made this mix:
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1/2 sowing and cutting soil 1/4 peat moss 1/4 perlite-vermiculite (about 4/5th was perlite) + a tiny amount of small limestones.
I reused the sowing and cutting soil because I was out of other soil. It felt really wet, so that was probably my problem. The mix felt really airy/light so I hope my Sally D. likes it! I didn't give it more water so the soil is now just moist.
I have some other questions: I want my Salvia to grow bushy and I know I need to 'top' the plant to get this effect. But I was thinking, can I let the salvia grow bigger and then cut away the upper 10cm to have another cutting at the same time? Or is it only possible to 'top' the plant on freshly grown small leaves (and stem)?
Second question: when should I consider giving fertilizer to the Salvia? It's been in normal soil without fertilizer for about one month now.
Picture of the Salvia in new soil:

Thanks for the response!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14372366 - 04/29/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should wait until you see some new healthy growth before you fertilize.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14483302 - 05/20/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So my Salvia is in the new soil mix for about 20 days now. But I still think the Salvia doesn't look very healthy. Her leaves all got these brown edges. Some leaves are almost completely covered with these spots. 
This is the soil mix:
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1/2 sowing and cutting soil 1/4 peat moss 1/4 perlite-vermiculite (about 4/5th was perlite) + a tiny amount of small limestones.
I'm still acclimatizing the Salvia using a plastic bag. It's almost time to take off the bag I think, but I'm not sure.. Will this be better or worse for the salvia? I read on erowid this browning effect is occurring more with Salvia's who stay in a humidity tent for all their life.
The salvia is growing new leaves, but it won't take long before they get these brown spots too. I didn't feed the Salvia yet. Maybe it's time to do this, but someone mentioned I should wait for some new healthy growth. I can wait a long time I think, lol.
Also yesterday and today, one leaf fell off when I took away the plastic bag for some misting. It only needed a soft touch of the bag to come off it seemed. That's not a good sign I think. 
What should I do? I'm using tap water to spray the Salvia, but I believe this water might be too 'hard'. Is it better to use drinking water from a bottle?
The Salvia is never in direct sunlight btw. I need some help!
Pictures without plastic bag for better visualisation:



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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14483328 - 05/20/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Salvia will shed leaves if you look at her wrong 
That looks ready to be acclimated. Cut a few holes in the bag each day. Hold off on any spraying if you have been.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#14483371 - 05/20/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That looks ready to be acclimated. Cut a few holes in the bag each day. Hold off on any spraying if you have been.
Why do I need to hold off on any spraying? I've been spraying the Salvia for a week every day now, I thought it might do the plant good. I read on multiple sites Salvia likes misting. But if there's a good reason not too, I wont of course! 
What do you think about my plant? The leaves look so bad.. I still fear she won't survive. But are you sure this browning of the leaves is definitely not a disease?
And what about feeding? The Salvia is about two months old now, and it's still in the same soil. Well I mean, I made a new soil mix, but I reused the 'old' soil. So I can imagine there's not a lot of nutrients in it..
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14483436 - 05/20/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's possible that the browning occurs from salts building up where you get the most evaporation off the leaves, the edges, and not just due to low humidity as is often thought, or a combination of the two perhaps. And being misted isn't the same as being in a high humidity environment. My experience has been don't need misting to thrive.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#14483465 - 05/20/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So you mean the salts that are in the misting water, they build up on the edges on the leaves? Or salts in the soil? Is it better to use drinking water for the Salvia? I also saw this 'ironing water' in the supermarket. It is distilled I think. Maybe this is good for the Salvia? I'm not sure though, so I didn't buy it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14483495 - 05/20/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea possibly caused by salts in the misting water. I would go with rain water if it is an option.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#14483538 - 05/20/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mostly_Harmless said: Yea possibly caused by salts in the misting water. I would go with rain water if it is an option.
Hmm not very rainy these days in Western Europe.. Maybe some Aqua Destillata?
Fuck I just read that water with too much lime isn't good for any plant. I got this few leaves on my Morning Glory vine turning yellow. Now I know what the problem is.. I should really look for some more suitable water for my plants. This tap water over here is bad.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14484129 - 05/20/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was thinking.. Maybe I should make a new soil mix for the Salvia, since I always watered the plant with tap water. Maybe there's an accumulation of salts in the soil. I could also submerge the plant in a bowl of mineral water, to wash away the salts on the leaves.
Is this a good idea? Since I have this feeling the leaves get a little browner every day.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14484644 - 05/20/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so I just did it. Made the same mix but with new soil. I soaked the roots in mineral water to get all the soil of. Sprayed the leaves with mineral water to rinse the salts. But the Salvia is so fragile.. Lost another leave although I was as careful as possible. I hope it will survive.. I noticed the roots have grown quite a lot since last repotting. I hope I did the right thing!
Fingers crossed for my little Salvia now!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#14488052 - 05/21/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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most of the time when a plant isn't doing too well you shouldn't stress it so much.
is there a lot of salt in your tap water? my tap water has things like lime in it, but it's never salty.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: AgingHippy]
#14489175 - 05/21/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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teefizzle said: is there a lot of salt in your tap water? my tap water has things like lime in it, but it's never salty.
No it doesn't taste salty, but has a lot of lime in it. I read this on erowid's Salvia grower's guide:
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Avoid tap water that is excessively hard (i.e., above 150 ppm hardness), or water with sodium levels above 50 ppm (a level which some municipal water can exceed even without softening). Water above these levels has a deleterious effect upon S. divinorum.
The tap water is drinkable, but I don't like the taste of it. And we also have a lot of problems with limescale. We sometimes use vinegar to clean our glasses, since they get white after a while (when you don't dry them directly after washing, haha).
I just found the hardness of our water is around 37°fH. And 1°fH = 10 ppm according to wikipedia.. So 370 ppm when this information is still up to date. That's more than double the maximum allowed amount.
I also sprayed the plants with this water, and the leaves looked like they were getting drier every day. Today I looked at the leaves of the plants, and they looked a little bit better. But it could as well be my imagination. I'll check the plant again tomorrow evening!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#16182318 - 05/04/12 03:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Little update on my Salvia plant and some questions:

The plant didn't grow a lot in one year time. The growth stalled a couple of times due to acclimatisation and repotting etc. I also heard it can take a while for a tissue culture Salvia to take off. Last winter was very cold and I kept the plant close to the heating. This wasn't the best spot it seemed because it dropped most of its leaves. Around this time, the newest leaves always got brown and shriveled. After a while of trying to push new leaves out at the top, I think the Sally just gave up and started producing side branches. So the Salvia topped itself in a way, as you can see in the next picture:

Now one side branch is taking the lead. The Salvia grew small leaves out of the other nodes too, but they don't seem to grow any further. I have a feeling the Salvia is putting most of its energy in this one side branch, since it's already thicker compared to the main stem:

Now my questions:
Is there a way to stimulate side branching out of other nodes? I always turn the pot so its leaves are facing the direct sunlight. But I'm not sure if turning the Salvia around will help?
Will it grow other side branches over time if I just let it grow? Because that one branch is growing faster then ever and I don't want to spoil it now, but I also wish to have a more bushy plant.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#16185139 - 05/05/12 07:47 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could top the plant (pinch off the top of it) to stimulate lateral growth. That is one sad plant. It needs more humidity. Fertilizer would likely help it too.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16185576 - 05/05/12 10:50 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude it looks fine lol. As long as the new growth is green, your fine. You just want to avoid root rot. You misting her leaves?
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: MushyMatt]
#16186943 - 05/05/12 05:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks both for the comment!
@ Leon Ferrum: You're right, she definitely had better times, but she's once again recovering. I don't think the humidity is too much of a problem since she's been acclimatized for a while now. It might be better for a Salvia to grow in higher humidity, but I've seen great acclimatized plants too. I don't think I live in a very dry climate so it shouldn't be a problem. Fertilizer is one thing I should read into for when she really takes off!
@ MushyMatt: Yes, I mist her leaves from time to time with bottled mineral water. In the past I used tap water, but she didn't seem to like that 'hard' water.
I remember reading something about hormones in trees.. When the main trunk broke off or got damaged etc, a side branch could take the lead and behave as a new 'main trunk'. I'm wondering if this is what's happening with my Salvia..
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#16196177 - 05/07/12 06:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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id say too much water
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: SalviaGod]
#16196193 - 05/07/12 06:07 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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it looks really thin, maybe too much water
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: SalviaGod]
#16381057 - 06/14/12 01:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago) |
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My Salvia isn't growing very fast. The last update was already more than a month ago and she only put out 2-3 new pairs of leaves. The older leaves are turning yellow so I'm thinking she might need some fertilizer. But can it be a lack of nutrients if the new growth still has a healthy green color?
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SalviaGod said: it looks really thin, maybe too much water
I usually let the soil go dry between two waterings, so I doubt this is the problem.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink] 2
#21956577 - 07/17/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hadn't realized it's been more than three years since i last updated this thread! My Salvia divinorum started deteriorating about a year ago. The only sideshoot shriveled up near the base where it connected to the main stem and turned brown. Oddly enough, the top of this shoot stayed green and healthy. One day when handling the flower pots, it broke off right at the base.
Instead of throwing it away, I decided to try and root it in potting soil. I believe I cut off the brown part of the stem and clipped the bigger leaves in half. It turned out to be a very small cutting, almost the same size (± 3 inches) as my original tissue culture I got for my birthday more than four years ago. The 'mother' Salvia succumbed not long thereafter. But to my surprise, the little cutting stayed put when I gave it a tug about a week later. Could it be the dying Salvia did a last ditch effort to try and basically clone itself?
The mother Salvia was actually the very first plant I tried growing, and it had to endure all my beginner mistakes. Luckily it survived through all the hardship. At the end, the plant was rootbound, hadn't received any fertilizer in a long while and was just getting old I suppose..
This cutting grew very well and quickly turned into a small plant. It got transplanted into a bigger pot with some cow manure as fertilizer. The Salvia responded to this by pushing out a big sideshoot. This sideshoot took over the lead while the primary stem bowed over under its own weight.
About a week ago, I was also cloning strawberry plants that threw out runners. My Salvia plant actually looked like it was also growing a runner, because the primary stem bended over into another plant's pot and rested on its soil. So I applied the same technique I used for the strawberries. Two U-shaped iron wires were used to hold down the stem onto the soil.
Today I took a sneak peek and lo and behold.. new roots are forming! I never really managed to get my Salvia to grow well shaped leaves though.. Always browning on the edges and curly.

And so my very first plant lives on..
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink] 2
#22107210 - 08/18/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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So it's been exactly one month and the layered stem is still connected to the mother plant. It has grown quite a bit since my latest update. I'll be moving out so they'll get seperated soon.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22108296 - 08/18/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably one of the safer ways to root Salvia.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22108588 - 08/18/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Poison Drink said: So it's been exactly one month and the layered stem is still connected to the mother plant. It has grown quite a bit since my latest update. I'll be moving out so they'll get seperated soon.

That's cool PD! Good work!
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: When]
#22110166 - 08/19/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's awesome. Thanks for sharing. I haven't made up my mind for whether to do this with my plant but I am leaning towards it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: morbiddoctor]
#22111206 - 08/19/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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morbiddoctor said: I haven't made up my mind for whether to do this with my plant but I am leaning towards it.
Even your Salvia plant is -as was mine- leaning towards it! Jokes aside, my layered stem produced some new shoots in the area where it touches the soil. I never managed to find my plant a suitable growing environment though. The new growth is green and velvety, but gets brown and curled up overtime.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22114424 - 08/19/15 10:01 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I made up a pot for the leaning one and lightly covered it with soil
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: morbiddoctor]
#22115309 - 08/20/15 04:19 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you use U-shaped pieces to hold the stem firmly in place? You can see the iron wire I used if you look closely.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22115700 - 08/20/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nope. I'll do that later today. The stem is a bit flat and the pot will need a notch in it to make this work best.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: morbiddoctor]
#22115728 - 08/20/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could use a smaller pot and fill it to the top with soil. Use a book or something similar to raise it to the appropriate height. Once it has rooted you can transfer it with the soil into a bigger pot.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22116775 - 08/20/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what i did. The plant is just too straight to make it work. Had to mound soil over it.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22191314 - 09/05/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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A couple of days ago I separated the motherplant from the layered stem. The cutting looked strong enough to grow on it's own roots, and it was seemingly wearing out the motherplant. I made two cuts, close to both plants. I pushed this resulting thin piece of stem about an inch into the soil. Let's see if it'll root.
Both plants seem to be growing some deformed leaves though. I also just moved to a new apartment so I'm hoping they won't be shedding leaves.
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Re: Salvia Divinorum: Cultivation questions [Re: Poison Drink]
#22253223 - 09/17/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesome stuff! I'm happy I found a salvia thread that is currently active...maybe I'm just not looking in the right places lol. I look forward to seeing more!
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