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Low potency on psilocybe cambodian
    #14347538 - 04/25/11 04:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hello :smile:
First I want to say thanks for all the information on this board. I used a lot of what's written here to start my little project.

I'm having a low potency problem with my cambodian shrooms. I've been growing them for the last couple of months and last week got the to point when I had a handful of shrooms from my cakes. I've used them twice already and twice I experienced a very very low potency. I want to add that this was my first two times doing magic mushrooms so I was expecting to be amazed, but got almost nothing. Here is an explanation of what I did:

On the first batch of shrooms I used an airdry technique to dry them out completely. Two days later I sat with my friend (who is inexperienced as well) and we both had a total of about 6 gram of dried shrooms (after doing 1 gram, feeling nothing, getting more and nothing!)... What we did get was a very small MJ like feeling that while was very pleasent, it wasn't what we wanted at all. After reading some stuff online I thought that maybe I dried them wrong, so the next batch I thought I'd just eat them raw to be sure.

So last night I sat again, this time by myself, and had a total of about 30 grams of fresh shrooms. Again to play it safe I spread the munching to about 3 hours with about 40 minutes intervals between shrooms. Again I had the same MJ like feeling and nothing profound. I did experience some nice music discovery etc but again nothing like what I read other people experience from this kind of dose.

What could be wrong? :frown: I'm desperate because I spend a lot of love and energy into this project and I'm stuck. I'm expecting another batch soon but I'm not sure what I might be doing wrong. Did I take too small dose? From what I read online I took a dose that should have blown me away...

Please help :frown:

Thanks!


P.S. On both cases I didn't eat anything 4-5 hours before consumption.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347541 - 04/25/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1) don't ask for dosage advice
2) potency is largely genetic
3) Do you mean psilocybe cubensis "cambodian"?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347542 - 04/25/11 04:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First, to use dry weight for dosing, they must be cracker dry. Not just air dry. Super, super dry.
And, potency tends to be a genetic trait- it's possible you did everything right and got a weak batch.

How did you grow them? What substrate, etc? Pics?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14347550 - 04/25/11 05:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The second time I followed the "multiply by 10" rule I saw on the dose calculator on this site. But I could have been wrong. I'm sure I'm doing SOMETHING wrong here or maybe they are simply low potency so I know on the next batch I should just eat more.

Here are a few pics from the process:
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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347554 - 04/25/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Multiply-by-10 is a rough estimate, and it only works when the mushrooms are cracker dry.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14347556 - 04/25/11 05:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So you think I just didn't get enough?
I think I was roughly at level 1 (according to the levels on this site)... I was trying to reach for level 3... so maybe I should just take double the amount.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347562 - 04/25/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

A mushroom is 90% water.
If you got them to 3/4 dry, you are consuming a lot of water for each gram of dry material.
Also, people have different sensitivities- I like less of the stuff than a lot of people do, for example.

So get them cracker dry, then start checking your dosage.
With cracker dry mushrooms, take say, two grams, and see where that gets you.
Remember to account for tolerance. Leave at least a week between doses.

We're pretty well off topic for Mush Cult here, so to get back on track, let me say this:
Genetics is a factor, and you should try another spore print.
Also, you use brown rice? Not white rice?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14347566 - 04/25/11 05:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, yeah I use organic brown rice powder with vermiculite. It sounds likely that I got a bad source... Got one to recommend? I was going for Cambodian because I read they're easy to grow, but I also heard Mexicans are nice.

I probably won't be doing any spore prints from the ones I have :/


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347567 - 04/25/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds to me like you need to get them cracker dry before you make any judgments.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14347571 - 04/25/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Alright I'll take you advice and try it on the next batch. Thanks!


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347739 - 04/25/11 07:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've used them twice already and twice I experienced a very very low potency. I want to add that this was my first two times doing magic mushrooms so I was expecting to be amazed, but got almost nothing.







So what you're saying is that you have never done them before and therefore have nothing to compare them to, but you're sure they're weak?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14347750 - 04/25/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I've used them twice already and twice I experienced a very very low potency. I want to add that this was my first two times doing magic mushrooms so I was expecting to be amazed, but got almost nothing.







So what you're saying is that you have never done them before and therefore have nothing to compare them to, but you're sure they're weak?





If I was sure they're weak I wouldn't be asking here... But my comparison was numerous articles that I read online about the approximate dosage. If I would need 3 times the average dose to get any kind of effect of what others get blown by, I can only guess that my batch was weak or at least relatively weak. But as I said... these are only guesses.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347758 - 04/25/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You spread the eating over 3 hours? yoiur not going to get much of a trip if you spread it out over 3 hours.

Air drying mushrooms is not the best method, and that might have caused some potency loss as the actives oxidise.


As others have stated, it could also just be a ginetics thing. It happened to me once. I grew some pretty large shrooms once (from straight brown rice spawned to newspaper) i had
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I've used them twice already and twice I experienced a very very low potency. I want to add that this was my first two times doing magic mushrooms so I was expecting to be amazed, but got almost nothing.







So what you're saying is that you have never done them before and therefore have nothing to compare them to, but you're sure they're weak?





If I was sure they're weak I wouldn't be asking here... But my comparison was numerous articles that I read online about the approximate dosage. If I would need 3 times the average dose to get any kind of effect of what others get blown by, I can only guess that my batch was weak or at least relatively weak. But as I said... these are only guesses.




3g dry even if yo have some sort of natural tolerence (which is rare) should have you atleast seeing things breath.

its probably just down to ginetics. when growing from multispore potency can vary not only from flush to flush but even fruit to fruit.

Also make sure your not over using spores. If you have a spore syringe thats purple, too many spores, how many too many is in a purple spore syringe, in the billions of billions.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347759 - 04/25/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey, yeah I use organic brown rice powder with vermiculite. It sounds likely that I got a bad source... Got one to recommend? I was going for Cambodian because I read they're easy to grow, but I also heard Mexicans are nice.

I probably won't be doing any spore prints from the ones I have :/




theres no reason not to take prints from them ... each print has millions of different genetics which can and will be completely different from the sub-strain you are working with ...

also i find that spreading out dosage in intervals only serves to weaken the subsequent dosages ... its almost like vaccinating yourself against its affects ... tryptamines are strange like that ... its the same reason you have to double up on dosage after tripping the previous day ...


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: cyantific]
    #14347816 - 04/25/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey, yeah I use organic brown rice powder with vermiculite. It sounds likely that I got a bad source... Got one to recommend? I was going for Cambodian because I read they're easy to grow, but I also heard Mexicans are nice.

I probably won't be doing any spore prints from the ones I have :/




theres no reason not to take prints from them ... each print has millions of different genetics which can and will be completely different from the sub-strain you are working with ...

also i find that spreading out dosage in intervals only serves to weaken the subsequent dosages ... its almost like vaccinating yourself against its affects ... tryptamines are strange like that ... its the same reason you have to double up on dosage after tripping the previous day ...




Hmmm... That's a helpful comment! I didn't think about it that way. So to test when I take on my next batch I will take a triple dose on one shot. If that doesn't work, I don't know what will :smile:


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14347901 - 04/25/11 08:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hmmm... That's a helpful comment! I didn't think about it that way. So to test when I take on my next batch I will take a triple dose on one shot. If that doesn't work, I don't know what will :smile:




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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: veda_sticks]
    #14348129 - 04/25/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You spread the eating over 3 hours? yoiur not going to get much of a trip if you spread it out over 3 hours.




Yeah this. He said he spread out the eating of the mushrooms by 40 minutes at a time. No wonder he didn't trip hard.

Eat 3.5 grams dry or 35 fresh on an empty stomach in one sitting.

Btw, not to offend, but do you have a large body mass? My large friends need 5 dry grams just to launch to level 3.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Curiousgeorge22]
    #14348141 - 04/25/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I have to say that though the effects were very mild, I did experience some interesting revelations while I was listening to music from the 60s... A lot of information I didn't notice were suddenly revealed to me :smile: That was kinda awesome.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14348144 - 04/25/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have to say that though the effects were very mild, I did experience some interesting revelations while I was listening to music from the 60s... A lot of information I didn't notice were suddenly revealed to me :smile: That was kinda awesome.





I am 85 kg, so yeah I do. However my friend is rather small. But I think it's getting clearer that my dose was just too low... :smile:


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: anonjon]
    #14348159 - 04/25/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

sounds to me like you need to toss a cup of cow shit in that pf tek. That'll kick in the potency! Also, dry/fresh ratios often come closer to 12/1 so 12 grams fresh=1 gram dry. It does vary between 1/10 and 1/12 depending on how saturated the mush are


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    #14348185 - 04/25/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:facepalm:


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    #14348230 - 04/25/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of good tips! :smile:


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14348257 - 04/25/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds to me like you need to toss a cup of cow shit in that pf tek. That'll kick in the potency!




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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14348262 - 04/25/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I thought that was a joke lol


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14348285 - 04/25/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds to me like you need to toss a cup of cow shit in that pf tek. That'll kick in the potency!




WTF are you talking about?



your joking right? undugate poo is where they grow in nature and contains indole the most proven(and popular) precursor to 4-ho-dmt. Ask anyone(who knows jack-shit)


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    #14348294 - 04/25/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That is true actually... but there are no cows around where I live, or cow shit for that matter :smile:


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    #14348303 - 04/25/11 10:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

deer shit horse shit sheep shit ect.:shrug:


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    #14348491 - 04/25/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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This. I have none of.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14349219 - 04/25/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Did you eat a meal before you consumed the mushrooms? From experience i tend to not to eat for atleast 3hrs before i consume mushrooms, i find than eating them on a full stomach weakens the effects of the mushrooms.


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    #14349831 - 04/25/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Your body builds up tolerance pretty quickly.  I think a rough guideline is generally that you need to get the whole dose in within the first 30 minutes, 1 hour max.  I've tried to up the dosage after a couple of hours with little success.

Also what doc said, dry it properly so you are getting an accurate measure of dosage.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14349976 - 04/25/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sounds to me like you need to toss a cup of cow shit in that pf tek. That'll kick in the potency!




WTF are you talking about?



your joking right? undugate poo is where they grow in nature and contains indole the most proven(and popular) precursor to 4-ho-dmt. Ask anyone(who knows jack-shit)




Nobody has ever shown that mushrooms grown on one substrate are more potent than another substrate.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14350118 - 04/25/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

that's true, but no one has ever disagreed that mushrooms need precursors to produce psilocin/psilocybin. It could only help if the sub was lacking in precursors


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14350324 - 04/25/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: BlindBat]
    #14350555 - 04/25/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

oh yeah? I've never seen that model, can you post a graph? I read a paper by Gartz that said no psilocin or psilocybin could be detected in fruitbodies produced on agar when the dextrose was increased to 5% directly contradicting that. Unless you have some new info


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14350603 - 04/25/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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    #14350648 - 04/25/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is great interesting info. I had no problem with cams :smile:


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: skiddy]
    #14350682 - 04/25/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Damn! It's gonna take me 3 days to determine what that all means. I never saw a model suggesting sugar could be converted to psilocin, I always heard they could perform 37 reactions. I don't know if I believe it


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Curiousgeorge22]
    #14350702 - 04/25/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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want chicken poop lip balm?
http://www.drugstore.com/chicken-poop-free-range-chicken-poop-lip-balm/qxp155686




This is the most hilarious thread in a while!

:lmao:

BTW: OP, be careful going X3 on that dose.  105 grams wet of
my fruits could end badly...could be really cool...dangerous though.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Javadog]
    #14350790 - 04/25/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ya people split an eight(3.5 grams) 3 ways when I have a batch and everyone has more than a mj buzz.  As far as multiple chomp sessions go I disagree with what has been said earlier.  I personally like to chomp then wait till I start feeling it good then re-chomp.  It makes for an extended high intensity buzz.  Also I have chomped 3 days in a row (camping) and didnt see a need to increase the amount in which I ate.


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14350814 - 04/25/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14350940 - 04/25/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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paducahovoids said:
that's true, but no one has ever disagreed that mushrooms need precursors to produce psilocin/psilocybin.




This has nothing to do with what you said.
You have spent the day arguing inanities and insanities.
Are you trolling? Or just fucked in the head?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: Doc_T]
    #14351011 - 04/25/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:retawed:  :themoreyouknow: just fucked in the head, apparently


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14351287 - 04/25/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Doc that wasn't a valid poll.
Which of these best applies to you?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from (04/25/11 07:58 PM) to (No end specified)
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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: anonjon]
    #14353625 - 04/26/11 05:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What is STAL?


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: anonjon]
    #14353720 - 04/26/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you forgot "all of the above" lmao !


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: cyantific]
    #14354548 - 04/26/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol this thread turned out of topic. But I did get some interesting insights (though I'm not really planning on bringing any cow shit into my house).

I know for a fact that my body builds up tolerance for stuff pretty quickly, let it be alcohol or MJ I normally need a double or tripple dose of the people around me to get it started. So it's pretty safe to say from my previous experiences that shrooms work in my body the same way... I just need to wait for the next batch to see if I'm right :mushroom2:


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: WackMachine]
    #14354795 - 04/26/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

just dont go over an eighth for your first time out ... if you were taking 1 gram per dose then yes triple it and eat it all at one sitting ... i got this crazy notion for a second you were talking about tripling the "normal" dose of 3.5 grams and that would be very bad lol !


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Re: Low potency on psilocybe cambodian [Re: cyantific]
    #14376659 - 04/30/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys it's me again :smile:
I did another batch of cakes that were stored in the fridge (I made too many to begin with because I was afraid of contamination, but turns out they were all fine so I stored them aside because I didn't need that many mushrooms all at once).

Anyway on my first batch I noticed that fruit bodies were only growing on the bottom part (you can see that in the images I posted). So after reading on this site a bit more I figured I didn't have enough moisture and they were probably growing only close to the ground where it was most moist. So this time I tried misting some water around the casing a few times a day and I think they're growing much faster/better than the first cakes did.

Could this have affected potency on the first batch? Or is it "if they grew, then they grew" kind of logic?

Thanks again for all the help!


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