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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14383576 - 05/01/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 21 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: That's a fine piece of propaganda. Ever seen video of a wildebeest eaten alive by lions, still lowing while it is eviscerated by the pack? I have. Almost every animal death in the natural world is horribly painful. That we kill any animals humanely is a credit. I do not condone animal torture on that basis but facts are facts. We are a predatory species. Top of the food chain. We are much more respectful than any other species in how we harvest our animal food.
Wow, so if there's an animal species out there more cruel to other animals than humans, then humans shouldn't strive to do better?
That's the same argument conservatives seem to take on torture (there is worse torture than what the Americans dished out, so American torture is ok), about human rights violations, and about so many other issues related to inhumane treatment.
I'll respectfully disagree on this, and say inhumane treatment is bad whether or not there are worst examples. 
Another one who can't read.
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#14384398 - 05/01/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said: I'm right on #s of veal crates (read about Justice Dept. prosecution of PA company in 2008 for sale of potassium permanganate & formaldehyde to their contract growers, occurred over several years & involved up to 100,000 such crated veal calves)
100k crated veal out of how many millions veal calves
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BGH being banned in the rest of the developed word
you cannot ban a substance that is produced in every little moo moo's system whether it's male or female, that's like banning a woman from producing estrogen in her own body
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(I'm not aware of any exceptions) & increasing rates of mastitis, & chicken litter being a feed additive for beef cattle in parts of the U.S. (acknowledged by both the EPA as well as industry sources), but I'm not going to continue to refute your falsehoods w/citations when all you offer is your opinion.
so I'm offering what you're offering since your link to all this shit is stating what I've already stated about grazing being profitable and now we discover it's the universities that are confining the cows for their studies
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Until you address the following, anything more is pointless.
so you dont address anything, just post studies that prove what I've been saying about grazing and profitability... where's our testimonial from the farmers that lock their cows in the barn 24/7 and feed them chicken shit
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14385524 - 05/01/11 10:05 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Another one who can't read.
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zappaisgod said: "Ever seen video of a wildebeest eaten alive by lions, still lowing while it is eviscerated by the pack? I have. Almost every animal death in the natural world is horribly painful. That we kill any animals humanely is a credit."
"We are much more respectful than any other species in how we harvest our animal food."
Not one, but two statements saying humans are more humane than the animal kingdom. Why were these statements made if not to justify our inhumanity?
I think the problem is one who can't write.
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imachavel
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14386556 - 05/02/11 01:48 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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animals don't skin animals alive and leave the animal to die bleeding to death or of instant infection they get when their epidermis is cut off.
the fact is people take pleasure in torture, there is no benefit from skinning an animal alive, it moves around and is likely to rip the fur you are trying to sell. people do things for pointless reasons.
and this is common place where?
wherever that video I posted was filmed my nig
and to be honest there are dozens of videos on it, but i'm not looking up each and every single one because the one i already posted is disgusting.
it's not simpler to skin an animal when it's moving around and still alive, it could rip the fur, and takes more effort. i honestly don't think those people care much about any of those animals, i guess why would they?
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14386562 - 05/02/11 01:50 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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animals don't skin animals alive and leave the animal to die bleeding to death or of instant infection they get when their epidermis is cut off.
the fact is people take pleasure in torture, there is no benefit from skinning an animal alive, it moves around and is likely to rip the fur you are trying to sell. people do things for pointless reasons.
and this is common place where?
btw no one is refuting that it's SO expensive to feed a cow in a pen than it is to just let them grave for free on a large farm. but it's a fact they put them in these pens and confine them. there is irrefutable evidence, no one can argue with it.
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14386573 - 05/02/11 01:55 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: That's a fine piece of propaganda. Ever seen video of a wildebeest eaten alive by lions, still lowing while it is eviscerated by the pack? I have. Almost every animal death in the natural world is horribly painful. That we kill any animals humanely is a credit. I do not condone animal torture on that basis but facts are facts. We are a predatory species. Top of the food chain. We are much more respectful than any other species in how we harvest our animal food.
Wow, so if there's an animal species out there more cruel to other animals than humans, then humans shouldn't strive to do better?
That's the same argument conservatives seem to take on torture (there is worse torture than what the Americans dished out, so American torture is ok), about human rights violations, and about so many other issues related to inhumane treatment.
I'll respectfully disagree on this, and say inhumane treatment is bad whether or not there are worst examples. 
i've been laughing at your sig for like an hour 
anyway enough of that.
what you are saying is correct, it's so damn funny, how people are supposed to be the shining example of life on the planet, creating a world of technology etc. etc. etc.
and yet, they compare everything they do with what others do, even in the animal kingdom. i mean fucking cmon....
if a monkey shits all over his hand, and throws it at people, does that mean people who are supposed to be smart enough to engineer a trip to mars and shit are supposed to be like "well, if that monkey did it, why can't we? i mean it happens all the time in the animal kingdom, right?"


some times it's time to grow up isn't it?
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: imachavel]
#14386641 - 05/02/11 02:18 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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imachavel said: i've been laughing at your sig for like an hour 
"This Modern World" is one of the greatest comic strips of all time. 
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imachavel said: it's so damn funny, how people are supposed to be the shining example of life on the planet, creating a world of technology etc. etc. etc.
and yet, they compare everything they do with what others do, even in the animal kingdom. i mean fucking cmon....
You read that too, right? And zap accused me of not being able to read. 
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imachavel said: if a monkey shits all over his hand, and throws it at people, does that mean people who are supposed to be smart enough to engineer a trip to mars and shit are supposed to be like "well, if that monkey did it, why can't we? i mean it happens all the time in the animal kingdom, right?"

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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: imachavel]
#14387039 - 05/02/11 06:32 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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animals don't skin animals alive and leave the animal to die bleeding to death or of instant infection they get when their epidermis is cut off.
the fact is people take pleasure in torture, there is no benefit from skinning an animal alive, it moves around and is likely to rip the fur you are trying to sell. people do things for pointless reasons.
and this is common place where?
btw no one is refuting that it's SO expensive to feed a cow in a pen than it is to just let them grave for free on a large farm. but it's a fact they put them in these pens and confine them. there is irrefutable evidence, no one can argue with it.
if the concept of the factory farm is to reduce costs then why would they go to the trouble of building a dedicated building, containment pens, spend the extra on feed an make a more labor intensive enviroment to raise these cows in that introduces even more costs due to losses from disease and infection... isnt the goal of a business to turn as large a profit as is possible and since this is contrary to that goal why would they do it?
can we see this irrefutable evidence?
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#14387241 - 05/02/11 07:45 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Another one who can't read.
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zappaisgod said: "Ever seen video of a wildebeest eaten alive by lions, still lowing while it is eviscerated by the pack? I have. Almost every animal death in the natural world is horribly painful. That we kill any animals humanely is a credit."
"We are much more respectful than any other species in how we harvest our animal food."
Not one, but two statements saying humans are more humane than the animal kingdom. Why were these statements made if not to justify our inhumanity?
I think the problem is one who can't write. 
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I do not condone animal torture on that basis but facts are facts
Pay attention. Humans are more humane than other members of the animal kingdom. There are 6 billion humans on the planet. Some of them are assholes. That will always be the case. Just because I realize that does not mean I condone assholic behavior. Nor do I make idiotic extensions that because some humans are assholes all humans are assholes. Because that's pretty fucking stupid.
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14387740 - 05/02/11 10:18 AM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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animals don't skin animals alive and leave the animal to die bleeding to death or of instant infection they get when their epidermis is cut off.
the fact is people take pleasure in torture, there is no benefit from skinning an animal alive, it moves around and is likely to rip the fur you are trying to sell. people do things for pointless reasons.
and this is common place where?
btw no one is refuting that it's SO expensive to feed a cow in a pen than it is to just let them grave for free on a large farm. but it's a fact they put them in these pens and confine them. there is irrefutable evidence, no one can argue with it.
if the concept of the factory farm is to reduce costs then why would they go to the trouble of building a dedicated building, containment pens, spend the extra on feed an make a more labor intensive enviroment to raise these cows in that introduces even more costs due to losses from disease and infection... isnt the goal of a business to turn as large a profit as is possible and since this is contrary to that goal why would they do it?
can we see this irrefutable evidence?
cmon pris, i don't really want to look up those billions of videos showing that they do is. yes, it's a retarded standard, and should probably lose them a ton of money. but they do it all the time, it's been shown in dozens of internet videos. I posted one video and almost made myself sick, not really in the mood to look for another one.
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14389659 - 05/02/11 04:27 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#14389747 - 05/02/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 20 days ago) |
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I slaughter earthlings with my hands for entertainment and then rip their flesh from bone with my teeth for nutrition. Does that make me cruel?
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: d33p]
#14391173 - 05/02/11 08:50 PM (13 years, 19 days ago) |
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imachavel
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Re: A very powerful animal rights video (WARNING: do not watch if squeemish!) [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#14392391 - 05/03/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 19 days ago) |
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wow, that sure is red neck. and yes it is somewhat off topic, i mean they actually killed it as fast as possible. or so it seemed
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