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So Einstein believed in god . . . 4
#14346943 - 04/25/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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βA spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe β a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort.β
Does this make him an idiot, dumb, stupid or any less of a genius?
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14347057 - 04/25/11 01:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: Does this make him an idiot, dumb, stupid or any less of a genius?
I don't think so--Ernest Becker concluded The Denial of Death with the suggestion that every person should believe in a God, but that doesn't mean that he's a dumbass. Smart people can have stupid beliefs and say stupid things, and stupid people can have intelligent beliefs and say intelligent things.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid] 1
#14347256 - 04/25/11 02:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you would simply dismiss his idea after all he has done for you?
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix] 1
#14347269 - 04/25/11 02:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Einstein died for our sins.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14347290 - 04/25/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: So you would simply dismiss his idea after all he has done for you?
Who, Einstein's, or Becker's? Either way, yes.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14347297 - 04/25/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well...the universe IS humbling, is it not? Some may disagree with his somewhat anthropomorphic wording, but I think the message is really, simply, about this vast mystery before us.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid]
#14347305 - 04/25/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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this is not an unintelligent quote imo, i dont believe in god, but there is no denying that the universe is intelligent. we are part of the universe by the way, we tend to forget that sometimes. the universe has created intelligence in living beings so whos to say intelligence is not either the inherent nature of the universe or that the universe hasnt evolved into at least in part, an intelligent entity. not entity as in being but entity as an organization can be considered.
using the word spirit may sound stupid but whats the difference really if you say spirit or essence or any other word that implies an entity. the fact is we imply the existence of a free agent or essence or spirit everytime we say Me or i or you when there really isnt one.
every process which went into the creation of humans was done by the universe so really the only thing lacking in the god analogy is free agency, which is non existent in the universe anyway as far as im concerned. so following this logic the universe is as intelligent and is just as much an entity as is a human being.
i dont believe there is a god with language and memory and personal characteristics but i would not be surprised if the universe as a whole would be considered an intelligence, vastly superior to that of man, if viewed from a certain perspective. just as viewed from a certain perspective humans would be considered unintelligent.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: zoomfan]
#14347332 - 04/25/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zoomfan said: this is not an unintelligent quote imo, i dont believe in god, but there is no denying that the universe is intelligent.
How is the universe intelligent?
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zoomfan said: we are part of the universe by the way, we tend to forget that sometimes.
What do you mean by "we"?
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zoomfan said: the universe has created intelligence in living beings so whos to say intelligence is not either the inherent nature of the universe or that the universe hasnt evolved into at least in part, an intelligent entity.
Scientists.
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zoomfan said: using the word spirit may sound stupid but whats the difference really if you say spirit or essence or any other word that implies an entity.
The word spirit carries a mystical connotation, and the word entity doesn't; that's the difference.
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zoomfan said: the fact is we imply the existence of a free agent or essence or spirit everytime we say Me or i or you when there really isnt one.
Again, what do you mean by "we"?
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zoomfan said: every process which went into the creation of humans was done by the universe so really the only thing lacking in the god analogy is free agency, which is non existent in the universe anyway as far as im concerned. so following this logic the universe is as intelligent and is just as much an entity as is a human being.
, how in the fuck does that follow from anything you said? 
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zoomfan said: i dont believe there is a god with language and memory and personal characteristics but i would not be surprised if the universe as a whole would be considered an intelligence, vastly superior to that of man, if viewed from a certain perspective.
Great, yet another definition for the term "God".
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid]
#14347356 - 04/25/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You cannot counter an argument with such a solid backing as "There is no denying..." It is right up there with "Any thinking person can see..."
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Those are guruu's favorite catch phrases.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14347724 - 04/25/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It takes a certain kind of smarts to see the potential of what the truth may be.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14348103 - 04/25/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
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"I do not believe in immortality of the individual"
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"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously."
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"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one... I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."
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"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning." -- Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946
Einstein was an agnostic, not a theist.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Diploid]
#14348125 - 04/25/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, that is a personal god.
Pretty obvious.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14348137 - 04/25/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think Panentheism would be a better word
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Diploid]
#14348158 - 04/25/11 09:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice quotes, seems like all he said was things have a religious or wondorous "feel" to them. Pretty much my take aswell, the more you remove the layers of filth culture sticks you with the greater the amplfication. No way to know what that means or why though...
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Grapefruit]
#14348207 - 04/25/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I bet his perspective shifted a bit the older he got. But I'm too lazy to find the dates.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: Poid]
#14348425 - 04/25/11 10:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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zoomfan said: this is not an unintelligent quote imo, i dont believe in god, but there is no denying that the universe is intelligent.
How is the universe intelligent?
human beings arents separatte from the unbiverse and human beings are intelligent.
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zoomfan said: we are part of the universe by the way, we tend to forget that sometimes.
What do you mean by "we"?
human beings
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zoomfan said: the universe has created intelligence in living beings so whos to say intelligence is not either the inherent nature of the universe or that the universe hasnt evolved into at least in part, an intelligent entity.
Scientists.
no they havent actually thats my point, every scientist who studies deeply enough comes to a point where he cant explain anymore.
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zoomfan said: using the word spirit may sound stupid but whats the difference really if you say spirit or essence or any other word that implies an entity.
The word spirit carries a mystical connotation, and the word entity doesn't; that's the difference.
my point is spirit and entity are both equally ridiculous concepts
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zoomfan said: the fact is we imply the existence of a free agent or essence or spirit everytime we say Me or i or you when there really isnt one.
Again, what do you mean by "we"?
human beings
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zoomfan said: every process which went into the creation of humans was done by the universe so really the only thing lacking in the god analogy is free agency, which is non existent in the universe anyway as far as im concerned. so following this logic the universe is as intelligent and is just as much an entity as is a human being.
, how in the fuck does that follow from anything you said? 
i know i skipped a part there i was just getting lazy
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zoomfan said: i dont believe there is a god with language and memory and personal characteristics but i would not be surprised if the universe as a whole would be considered an intelligence, vastly superior to that of man, if viewed from a certain perspective.
Great, yet another definition for the term "God". 
you raise decent points poid im just playing gods advocate im a staunch atheist.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix] 1
#14348498 - 04/25/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: I bet his perspective shifted a bit the older he got. But I'm too lazy to find the dates.
I bet this post means crap.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: teknix]
#14348550 - 04/25/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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teknix said: βA spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe β a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort.β
Does this make him an idiot, dumb, stupid or any less of a genius?
I would say it makes him "spiritual", but not religious. His "religious feeling of a special sort" is not about blind faith or fear. He was awed by the universe.
it's like people going to a Doors concert for the "religious experience"...it's not about organized belief systems, it's just about being
as diploid said, he wasn't a theist. A lot of people who describe things in terms of god and religious/spiritual experience are not theists, and often agnostic.
I don't see why this forum is hellbent on "spirituality" or "god" being this one specific thing that benefits them because it gives them something to make fun of
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Nice quotes, seems like all he said was things have a religious or wondorous "feel" to them. Pretty much my take aswell, the more you remove the layers of filth culture sticks you with the greater the amplfication. No way to know what that means or why though...
something like this. We can over-analyze the specific words he happened to choose to express his idea at the time, but it really doesn't take all that much "sense" to feel what he was more or less getting at
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Well...the universe IS humbling, is it not? Some may disagree with his somewhat anthropomorphic wording, but I think the message is really, simply, about this vast mystery before us.
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Re: So Einstein believed in god . . . [Re: the bizzle]
#14348581 - 04/25/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"God doesn't play dice" -Einstein
"Stop telling god what to do" -Bohr
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