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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14329478 - 04/21/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hell man worky or no worky, it's great to see all the different setups that actually do work and you'll never know until you try. I just love watching the forum and all the intuition around here!


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New Bulk tubs [Re: shroomybgood]
    #14329726 - 04/21/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

zoo poo/ verm mix day three


coir/verm tub day four


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14346015 - 04/24/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ended up with over an ounce dry with 5 quarts of spawn and a brick of coir in two mini monos




I'm not trying to be a dick, but that is not a very good yield...

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Re: Progress [Re: Mad River]
    #14346195 - 04/24/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea thats not that great of a yield at all, 2 quarts spawned to a half brick of coir in 1 mini mono yielded 3 ounces dry last time I did one.

Got the big guys goin now tho, still spawning everyday. Got 6 more tubs to finish up. Spawns rdy basically every other day, got a good cycle going.



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zoo poo/ verm mix day three


coir/verm tub day four





Your tubs look right on course tho. What size are they ?


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Re: Progress [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14350658 - 04/25/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

64 quart, I scrapped after the first flush because I didn't have any money for more tubs and I had more spawn ready.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14350776 - 04/25/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Spawn can wait.

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Re: Progress [Re: Mad River]
    #14350992 - 04/25/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It was just coir verm and I had some zoo poo and Hpoo I wanted to try, bout to spawn to the Hpoo/coir/verm mix as soon as it cools off, might use 4 quarts of spawn instead of making another GLC, depends on what it looks like. I usually use 3 quarts of rye for a half brick of coir so since I added 2 quarts rehydrated Hpoo I don't think the extra quart of spawn would hurt would it?


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14351473 - 04/25/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just let my tubs colonize til they start pinning/primordia.

The coir should be just fine. I use half n half coir/hpoo 1 cup chicken shit with 2-3 quarts verm and 1 cup gypsum for the 66 quart sterlites


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Re: Progress [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14351618 - 04/25/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.


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Re: Progress [Re: anonjon]
    #14351922 - 04/25/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.




I have a long way to go before I start isolating and cloning, I am working on finding my favorite sub mix and additives right now.



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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14351932 - 04/25/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I have a long way to go before I start isolating and cloning, I am working on finding my favorite sub mix and additives right now.





No, that's backwards. Get an adequate mix going, then you can use clones and isolates to do controlled grows and really compare recipes.


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Re: Progress [Re: anonjon]
    #14352088 - 04/25/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.




:whathesaid: other than the "clone" comment. Check my signature. That's MS @ 1:1 using Damion5050's coir tek to the T...9 oz crackered

I've found the higher spawn ratios = 1 & done tubs...not isos or clones...You clone & iso for particular traits of your mushrooms. I'm not saying you can't iso/clone for 1 & done, but most don't. You iso for quality (strength/potency), colonization time & pinset (canopy). Now, pinset/canopy can equal 1 & done, but you can iso for a fruit that'll produce 5 oz for 2-3 flushes & have a fantastic canopy from large fruits. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GROWER WANTS. Personally, I like one & done. :twocents:

Also, enigma, I really think that your low yields are due to low ratios. You don't need to remake a GLC everytime. I have a GLC that's been around for 2 months+  in room temp that's still viable. Just prep an LC & inoculate the LC w/ 1 cc of the GLC & you've got a good thing going for a few months especially if you refrigerate.

Dude, start iso/cloning right now. Why not? Just grab a quick growin' pin off your MS mono & hope it's active. You'll know once you spawn to bulk or make a BRF cake outta it & test it.

About the bunny, you can set the jar on its side to entice some space between the glass & grain, which is probably why you're having problems colonizing that spot. Just make sure the non-colonized spot is facing the ceiling/sky...

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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14352237 - 04/25/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

agree, horrible first flushes usually always shock the shit out of me with their second flushes being very very nice..the only way i'm ditching a tub after 1st flush is if I get a absolute monster first flush then i know most of the food source was consumed for that first flush..


even then I normally still wait and see how 2nd flush does.

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Re: Progress [Re: biologys]
    #14352272 - 04/25/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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agree, horrible first flushes usually always shock the shit out of me with their second flushes being very very nice..the only way i'm ditching a tub after 1st flush is if I get a absolute monster first flush then i know most of the food source was consumed for that first flush..


even then I normally still wait and see how 2nd flush does.




Anything equal to or better than 5 oz I toss after first flush, but I will wait if I feel the substrate still has some nice moisture weight to encourage the first flush further. I'll mist (but no fanning) to encourage another little pseudo-second-flush. Normally around 1 oz, which 6 oz is more than enough for me @ a time. nom nom nom...


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14352468 - 04/25/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I may try an iso on BRF in the bottom of a half pint jar like I saw on a tek here and then clone one of the first fruits after I test it out and clone it if it is potent, I don't really care about weight I have more than I know what to do with as it is.

Those were 4 and 6 gallon tubs with half the brick of coir/verm and 3 quarts spawn each, I think I may have birthed a little too soon.(2 weeks)Probably why the uneven pinset, everyone that has reported back on them said they were really good so I am happy with the coir/verm but I had some zoo poo and some Hpoo I had to try out. I will let the poo ones go to second or third flush but I have 4 tubs, 9 quarts of rye, 3 quarts of WBS, and a bunch of cakes that will be ready soon so the coir ones will have to be one and done right now unless I see a million pins when I harvest.

Once I find the best sub mix for me I will experiment more with isolating and cloning and mother jars and such. I used all my GLC and tried to make two more but got the moisture content wrong, I will try again. Thanks for all the help!:super:


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14352501 - 04/25/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know what your sayin.

Todlow man you give some good Fkn advice +++++5

Some people like to fruit there tubs a little more but that's just preference but right on.  If your puting out 5 avg first flushes that's awesome. I'd still go for the second but that's it and depending on how your substrate feels/looks. If it's putting out you shouldn't be able to get much more after the first 1-2 anyways. Your sub should be spent by then.


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Re: Progress [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14352567 - 04/25/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid:

enigma - poo gives your mushrooms more nutrients to grow. If the genetics aren't there, then they aren't. Some randomly produce better than others w/ MS, that's why it's MS. It's just a gamble.  I don't think you birthed anything too early. You let them colonize & consolidate appropriately.  Like nuts said, I colonize until I see some pins, then pop that bitch into fruiting conditions & it'll go BLAMMO!!! on you. I've put tubs into fruiting conditions that didn't appear to be 100%. After 12 hours in FC, the tubs were clearly 100%. Coir tubs don't ever appear to be 100% when in the tubs in my experience.

& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.


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Re: Progress [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14352597 - 04/25/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Crazy noob experiments!

Attached a light wrapped in foil to this and made a drying chamber(to block most of the light). (more pics later in action)


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14352633 - 04/25/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.




I don't know, I used two pint grain jars and noced them with 2 different MS syringes and they started growing milky white liquid, bacteria maybe? I didn't use that much to noc them, could it be because I forgot to add the gypsum this time?


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14352664 - 04/25/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.




I don't know, I used two pint grain jars and noced them with 2 different MS syringes and they started growing milky white liquid, bacteria maybe? I didn't use that much to noc them, could it be because I forgot to add the gypsum this time?




OK, so you tried to inoculate 2 pint grain jars to use for GLCs that failed.

That sounds like sterile tek or bad syringes. Did you make them yourself?
Gypsum wouldn't have that large of an impact.
You got pictures?


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