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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Mushroom25]
    #14319543 - 04/19/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I apologize if I was lashing out in my last few posts. Well I haven't added anything, I guess what I'll do is stop mixing for 24 hours, take out what naphtha I can and store it, then see if the rest of the naphtha will surface over the next week.

Hopefully I can pull at least a 1g yield out of this mess. Already got .5 ish.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14321549 - 04/20/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No problem A_A.  What I don't understand is that folks on this site are used to waiting, what, 6 weeks for a  crop of mushrooms, but haven't the patience to wait a week for a gram of DMT???

Time and patience are your friend.  Minimal effort is involved in success.  In fact, the LESS you do, the better.  Even with no agitation whatsoever (but the slow passage of time) the DMT would ultimately be released from the bark by the degradation of the strong base, be freebased by the same chemical (NaOH) and migrate by diffusion down its concentration gradient into the naphtha!  You literally could do NOTHING following the dissolving of the NaOH into the water, adding the bark, and by simply letting the naphtha float on the top for a week (no shaking, no seeming loss into the interstices) and if you were patient and ignored the jar (as if you went on vacation) you would be astonished at the result!

If folks could just grasp the underlying principles, I would never have had to make one follow-up post  to the original tek.

You have actually done a service if lots of people read this.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14324470 - 04/20/11 06:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well I waited until today leaving it be... and there's literally only about 30 mL of naphtha I was able to pull up.

What would you suggest from here on out? I haven't added anything yet, and I'm willing to be patient. I can leave it be for as long as need be, but I'd like to know if the wait will yield some or if there is a chance that 2 months can go by and it is still stuck in that space.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14324561 - 04/20/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well I waited until today leaving it be... and there's literally only about 30 mL of naphtha I was able to pull up.

What would you suggest from here on out? I haven't added anything yet, and I'm willing to be patient. I can leave it be for as long as need be, but I'd like to know if the wait will yield some or if there is a chance that 2 months can go by and it is still stuck in that space.




Okay, post a list of all the things you've tried, just so we can see it all in one place.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14326317 - 04/21/11 04:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok...take the jar in question, place it on a wooden table or bench.  Jiggle it gently back and forth without lifting off the table, tapping one edge of the bottom of the jar, then the other.  Look through the solution as best you can.  Use a flashlight or bright table lamp.

Do you see any tiny bubbles of naphtha floating to the surface?  Look carefully, then report back.  Lets find the pesky lost volume and try some remedial actions.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14326799 - 04/21/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll go all the way from the beginning. Added 250 g of lye to some water, around 400-500 mL of distilled so it had a lot of room to dissolve. Added that to a jug, and filled it to where my old tek said to fill it to (it ended up being a little more water than I usually put in because I poured a little too much).

Added the bark, mixed it around and let it sit for 24 hours. THen I added the naphtha, about 350 mL, mixed every time I saw the layers had separated over 3 days, and pulled about 250-300 mL of dmt-enriched naphtha.

Let this sit in the freezer for about 36 hours, and during this time I added another 250 mL of naphtha to the DMT mix.

I put some of that from the freezer in too .... and that is where I'm at today. I added a smidgeon of water before adding the second naphtha amount because that's when the layers weren't separating. THe amount of water that I have added as extra from the beginning amounts to a small amount, but it is more than I'm familiar with in there.



And N.B.... I put it next to a light. I'm not sure I see tiny bubbles, it's just too dark of a mix. There's definitely a noticable layer of separation (not near the amount it should be at the Volume of naphtha I added) and when I put it near the light it seems like there's 3 layers. One of naphtha, one of a mix of dark naphtha and lye/bark/water (i know water/naphtha can't mix, I'm just giving my assumption as of what it is), then the rest is the lye/water/bark.

I didn't see bubbles but that caught my eye. The amount of naphtha that I can visibly see separated is probably only 30-50 mL worth, because I squeezed the jug and it was barely at the top of the jug, just enough to cover the cap.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14326982 - 04/21/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you got the brown/darkened naphtha, a by product of doing a STB with powdered material.

Get more bark and start a proper extraction using a A/B, STB has more problems with emulsion and darkened naptha then any other tek out there,

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Mushroom25]
    #14327027 - 04/21/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Don't have any more bark, thank you though..

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14332081 - 04/22/11 07:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll just let it sit in my closet. But are there NO corrective remedial steps I can do at this point?

The level of naphtha is still quite low. I have the funds to get whatever is needed to speed up the alkaloids migrating into the solvent, but if this is F.U.B.A.R. and there's nothing that can be done, let me know.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14333299 - 04/22/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The only thing I have done in the past 3 days or so was move it to under my bed to see if heat would maybe help it.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14337541 - 04/23/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How much bark did you use?

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: cogent]
    #14339838 - 04/23/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

250 g lye 250 gram bark

update!:

Same shit... hardly separation I just have been leaving it be..

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Nature Boy]
    #14339940 - 04/23/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And I still cannot find bubbles floating to the top or anything like that. I'm wondering...

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14340024 - 04/23/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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250 g lye 250 gram bark

update!:

Same shit... hardly separation I just have been leaving it be..




My buddy had the same issue on his first attempts.  What he has done since has yielded amazing results and in a much shorter time frame with no naphtha lost.
He used a 1:1:15 ratio of (1)Bark, (1)NaOH, and (15)water.  For example, if 50grms of Bark and NaOH are used then one would use 750ml of H20.  He never had any issues after using those ratios of the naphtha getting stuck in the MHRB.  He worked with 50grm of powdered bark at a time to perfect his technique.  If you used 250grms of bark you would realistically need 3.75 liters of H20 which is a huge amount to work with.  The root bark turns to a thick putty if not enough water is used and that will most certainly trap your naphtha.  I would honestly order more bark and just start over using much smaller amounts of rootbark (50grms) and see if that ratio works for you. If you cant do that I would try to transfer your solution to a larger container and add more water and stir it into the mixture with a Stainless spoon.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: cogent]
    #14340537 - 04/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

my friend had the same problem with the layers seperating and only after turning up the heat for 3 or so days the layers eventually seperated

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: cogent]
    #14343929 - 04/24/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ironically I added a gallon of distilled water in total (well give or take 200 mL).

About 3.5L worth in this windshield wiper jug... the rest was used for the wash.


I mean the ONLY thing I want to know is
1.: am I wasting my time or will patience MAYBE (yes, i'll accept a maybe) pay off? I see NO POINT in holding an extremely illegal jug in my house for months if you guys already know its FUBAR.

Thanks for the advice so far. Hopefully someone learns something. No offense to the lot of you, but I'm more waiting on a reply from 1-2 people here.

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: Angel_Above]
    #14344000 - 04/24/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Ironically I added a gallon of distilled water in total (well give or take 200 mL).

About 3.5L worth in this windshield wiper jug... the rest was used for the wash.


I mean the ONLY thing I want to know is
1.: am I wasting my time or will patience MAYBE (yes, i'll accept a maybe) pay off? I see NO POINT in holding an extremely illegal jug in my house for months if you guys already know its FUBAR.

Thanks for the advice so far. Hopefully someone learns something. No offense to the lot of you, but I'm more waiting on a reply from 1-2 people here.




It sounds to me like it's just turned into a jar of despair and failed hopes and dreams. I would say leave it alone completely for another coupl of days, as a last ditch effort. If that doesn't work, it looks like you need to start from scratch.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14344025 - 04/24/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When is an appropriate time to add heat to get the layers to separate better?

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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: vodka please]
    #14344195 - 04/24/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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vodka please said:
When is an appropriate time to add heat to get the layers to separate better?




Right after you roll the naptha around in the lye-water-bark mixture. It will facilitate batter absorption and faster separation.


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Re: DMT Extraction - Layers not separating? [Re: bholzer]
    #14345112 - 04/24/11 07:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's fine as long as I KNOW. I'll have to read up on the A/B Tek for next time for sure. Thanks for all of your help. time to go crazy

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