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Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. 3
#14343893 - 04/24/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do not know if everything she explains is true but she is in a better position than I to make these claims.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
#14344019 - 04/24/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's it....it's time to get off this rock!
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: A Day InThe Life]
#14344442 - 04/24/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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First BP now this
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14344451 - 04/24/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just wait till you see whats next
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: twighead]
#14344461 - 04/24/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I predict San Fransisco is next
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sharkeye]
#14344471 - 04/24/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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some one please tell me shes off her rocker
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344521 - 04/24/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuck I wonder if Turkish hash is radioactive
Anyway it seems that the best thing to do is enjoy your life and don't worry. Stress causes cancer too...
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344535 - 04/24/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cacharstar said: I predict San Fransisco is next

Vancouver too (maybe)
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344547 - 04/24/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It seems that she believes it. It is hard tho because anyone with the resources to act if they did believe are probably not on the shroomery unless their bunker has internet.
Here is her bio. I can't seem to find anything discrediting her directly but I'll keep looking.
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The single most articulate and passionate advocate of citizen action to remedy the nuclear and environmental crises, Dr Helen Caldicott, has devoted the last 38 years to an international campaign to educate the public about the medical hazards of the nuclear age and the necessary changes in human behavior to stop environmental destruction.
Born in Melbourne, Australia in 1938, Dr Caldicott received her medical degree from the University of Adelaide Medical School in 1961. She founded the Cystic Fibrosis Clinic at the Adelaide Children's Hospital in 1975 and subsequently was an instructor in pediatrics at Harvard Medical School and on the staff of the Children's Hospital Medical Center, Boston, Mass., until 1980 when she resigned to work full time on the prevention of nuclear war.
In 1971, Dr Caldicott played a major role in Australia's opposition to French atmospheric nuclear testing in the Pacific; in 1975 she worked with the Australian trade unions to educate their members about the medical dangers of the nuclear fuel cycle, with particular reference to uranium mining.
While living in the United States from 1977 to 1986, she co-founded the Physicians for Social Responsibility, an organization of 23,000 doctors committed to educating their colleagues about the dangers of nuclear power, nuclear weapons and nuclear war. On trips abroad she helped start similar medical organizations in many other countries. The international umbrella group (International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War) won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985. She also founded the Women's Action for Nuclear Disarmament (WAND) in the US in 1980.
Returning to Australia in 1987, Dr Caldicott ran for Federal Parliament as an independent. Defeating Charles Blunt, leader of the National Party, through preferential voting she ultimately lost the election by 600 votes out of 70,000 cast.
She moved back to the United States in 1995, lecturing at the New School for Social Research on the Media, Global Politics and the Environment, hosting a weekly radio talk show on WBAI (Pacifica), and becoming the Founding President of the STAR (Standing for Truth About Radiation) Foundation.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344551 - 04/24/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cacharstar said: Anyway it seems that the best thing to do is enjoy your life and don't worry. Stress causes cancer too...
Yeah better enjoy it to the fullest!!

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: A Day InThe Life] 1
#14344570 - 04/24/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to. Do you know what a quantum leap is?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344575 - 04/24/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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people who have completed fallout3 have a better chance of surviving the future
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bridgeburner]
#14344592 - 04/24/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: people who have completed fallout3 have a better chance of surviving the future

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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
#14344595 - 04/24/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cacharstar said: Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to. Do you know what a quantum leap is? 

New age hippie Garbage
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
#14344665 - 04/24/11 06:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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she's a medical doctard, not a nuclear physicist, she's also an anti nuclear activist so it's certainly not like she doesnt have an agenda, where's the independent verification from these guys the 'knew' the GE reactors at fukushima were defective
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bridgeburner]
#14344675 - 04/24/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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b0red5tiff said: people who have completed fallout3 have a better chance of surviving the future
scientists are predicting that the future will be more futuristic than predicted
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14344832 - 04/24/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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cacharstar said: Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to. Do you know what a quantum leap is? 

New age hippie Garbage
Not really. The bible supports it.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: scientists are predicting that the future will be more futuristic than predicted
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: cacharstar]
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cacharstar said: Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to. Do you know what a quantum leap is? 

New age hippie Garbage
Not really. The bible supports it.
Would you feel better if I said fallen angels tryin to get back to heaven

Perhaps, In the context of the bible were moving out of the age of the jesus fish and into the 7th age of the first eon of man, Aquarius.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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scientists are predicting that the future will be more futuristic than predicted
shenanigans
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
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it's about time we all die
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Cherk]
#14345356 - 04/24/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fucking humans
I second this, If we were to measure humanities greatest achievements in sheer impact of our collective actions, they would be famine, toxification of the planet,depletion of resources and wildlife.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14345456 - 04/24/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: she's a medical doctard, not a nuclear physicist, she's also an anti nuclear activist so it's certainly not like she doesnt have an agenda, where's the independent verification from these guys the 'knew' the GE reactors at fukushima were defective
She is a naysayer and a doomsdayer.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14345511 - 04/24/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shes saying something you dont wanna hear is all, Wheres anybody saying anything to the contrary that dont have anything to gain in doing so? Japan sure as fuck has a reason to lie left and right about it and so does the media.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14345623 - 04/24/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Shes saying something you dont wanna hear is all, Wheres anybody saying anything to the contrary that dont have anything to gain in doing so? Japan sure as fuck has a reason to lie left and right about it and so does the media.
Nah, you don't know me, so you can't tell me what I want to hear. I have nothing to gain and I say to the contrary. If she's right, it doesn't matter what any of us think. Some people get cancer some people don't. She was using cancer statistics, and like she says, "A bump on your breasts won't tell you what caused it." She's talking about cancer caused 5 to 60 years down the road. There is no science to back up what she is saying, only some correlations. Just my opinion.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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Hiroshima was over 60 years ago, Chernobyl is close to 30 along with the gulf war where DP was used almost exclusively and there's gonna be hard data on the long term effects of radiation to residents by now on all those incidents. Also she has a doctorate and has dedicated herself to the study of radiation release and the likes for a good portion of her life Shes a person who is well informed on the shit shes talking about.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14345781 - 04/24/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll believe her when I see it.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14345795 - 04/24/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well you wont be seeing it in the media or hearing about it from Japans government, Unless anybody wants to waste time researching her claims and posting the documents to back her claims up you wont be seeing much of anything anytime soon
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14346465 - 04/24/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14353149 - 04/26/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like you already know then
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cacharstar said: Or prepare yourself for the transformation to come and realize that you are a light being having an experience and let you vibes filter out and radiate the place you would like to transcend to. Do you know what a quantum leap is? 

New age hippie Garbage
Not really. The bible supports it.
Would you feel better if I said fallen angels tryin to get back to heaven

Perhaps, In the context of the bible were moving out of the age of the jesus fish and into the 7th age of the first eon of man, Aquarius.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Well you wont be seeing it in the media or hearing about it from Japans government, Unless anybody wants to waste time researching her claims and posting the documents to back her claims up you wont be seeing much of anything anytime soon 
So it's one of those "it can't be proven because everyone keeps their trap shut about it" things, huh? Or in one word: immunization.
I didn't watch the video, but let me share a general observation about the perceptions of health risks related to nuclear disasters. When it comes to long-term effects, the public appears to split into four groups. One group doesn't know exactly what's going on, and is prepared to follow anyone with a plausible argument. The second group consists of outspoken proponents of nuclear energy, and they will systematically downplay any risks. This is the category in which the people fit who keep stating that Chernobyl has only caused something like 33 verified deaths. Then there's the category who takes the opposite stance, stating that the number of deaths related to man-made nuclear fallout is always much higher than any authority or research group is willing to recognize. This is the category where Mrs. Caldicott seems to fit in. Then the final group contains a handful of individuals who try to see the nuanced picture, recognizing the coin could flip either way on each incident, and who try to keep their eyes open on actual data or hints that tell something about what's really going on. None of the four groups knows exactly what the extent of damage is that is done by radioactive fallout. The simple reason for this is that the major accidents we know have happened, such as Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki have not been followed up systematically with long-term studies compensating for important factors related to cancer. Incidental analysis has been performed on specific groups of people, such as Chernobyl's biorobots (i.e. the liquidators). None of these studies have been able to establish with certainty what, in the cases where significant health effects were noted, the cause for any long-term effects was and what the underlying mechanisms were.
This leaves us in a sort of academic vacuum, in which anyone can basically say what he or she wants, without being afraid to be called back by researcher X or official Y who does know exactly what's going on. And until X or Y arises, anyone can believe what (s)he wants, it's a simple as that. But this also means that any belief is as valid as any other, meaning that for now, neither the blatant optimists nor the catatonic pessimists can rely on any form of moral superiority over the other group. This is a fact that is completely ignored by those who are the most active in the debate on nuclear energy. And that annoys the FUCK out of me.
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It must annoy the fuck out of you, You did just write up a mini essay for a thread people were basically chatting in.
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Yeah, people passing judgement over something they are essentially clueless about always gets to me. And I'm not just referring to the people in this thread here; it's ok to chat and exchange views. It's those retards who don't have a clue but still try to get everyone to join their camp. Fuck that shit. If someone knows what (s)he's talking about, I'll listen. If someone doesn't, but still tries to convince me of something, I'll start making annoying sounds.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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If what she says is true..
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First BP now this
I'll have 1,000 of those over 1 thats like her description of whats happening at Fukushima.
Damn I had high hopes for nuclear fission power.
If this is true its the worst man made catastrophy in all of history, and may kill more people than all wars of the 20st century over centuries to come.
Poor poor Japan.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: It must annoy the fuck out of you, You did just write up a mini essay for a thread people were basically chatting in.

He's the first person in this thread with anything intelligent or useful to say and you belittle him with your cool guy arrogance
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: propensity]
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What? My cool guy arrogance, I wasnt even trying to belittle him, hes just making it a little obvious how much nuclear related bigotry pisses him off and I was commenting on it.
Still butthurt cause I didnt get my panties in a bunch over some faggot tossing a dog off a roof eh?
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I've watched the video now. It's uncanny. Mrs. Caldicott states many things that are true, but laces her story with statements that appear factual, but are extremely misleading. To mention a few of such statements: - "40% of Europe is still radioactive because of Chernobyl." Yes, radioactivity from Chernobyl is measurable in those areas where it was deposited. But not to an extent that it is dangerous; measurable is not the same as unacceptably dangerous. Background radiation is measurable as well. And the influence of open-air nuclear testing by the USA and the USSR are still present as well. So she might as well have stated that 100% of Europe is radioactive due to open-air nuclear testing by the USA and the USSR. - "Don't buy Turkish food, as it is dangerously radioactive." She mentions in particular Turkish tea. This study suggest that the consumption of Turkish tea would result in an annual dose of 385nSv. Normal exposure of a human being as a result of background radiation is about 3.6mSv annually (3,600,000nSv). So the radiation effects of Turkish tea are completely insignificant. But again, it's measurable, so it's conveniently used to frighten people. - "The radionuclides that land in the ocean and on the land are accumulated in organisms, which gets progressively worse towards the top of the food chain". While especially some heavy metals indeed tend to accumulate in some species, this is not true for all radionuclides (which are not all heavy metals, but many are) in all organisms, which is what is implied in the video. - "Each dose you get adds to your risk of getting cancer." Again, true in essence, but a lot more nuanced in practice. Each chest x-ray or CT scan adds to your risk of contracting cancer, but how big is the additional risk on top of the normal exposure to background radiation and other factors that may cause cancer?
I get the impression from Mrs. Caldicott that if you want to stay safe, you should hide in a lead-clad concrete bunker 1 mile underground and not eat anything for the rest of your considerably shortened life. In my opinion, this video adds nothing to the debate on nuclear energy. It doesn't contain any new information, it doesn't convey a new viewpoint on historical or actual events, it doesn't contain a well-constructed argument. It's blatant fear mongering that may be effective with the ill-informed masses.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: hes just making it a little obvious how much nuclear related bigotry pisses him off and I was commenting on it.
Thanks, that's the word: bigotry. That's what this video is.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: koraks]
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That whole post was on point! You could easily school that bigot in a debate.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Lol if you think what I wrote in the other thread constitutes being butthurt, you need to rethink what that means
Don't try to deny the condescending tone of your post.
And as if whether or not people are chatting in this thread makes any difference, the shit that Caldicott lady is saying is pretty fucking crazy and it makes sense that he would feel a duty to post something logical to counter the doomsday sensationalism.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
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One: everyone who was saying radiation would not reach the US, was wrong. Anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen. Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people. Three: the problem people have with the media is that they kept having people give interviews who were either retarded or giving false information on purpose to keep people calm, i.e., "the radiation is not worse than watching tv or a cross-country flight" and "the radiation is not worse than background radiation you are exposed to each day". They did not give any more explanation, and also, did not refer to the radiation correctly: as fallout. Eventually, these comparisons were dropped from news stories because some experts blasted them as false, because of what I just said: fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.
The other problem as well is that people are told it's not bad, but tests were showing that it was collecting heavily in the rain. The EPA did not tell people until a week after it was already collecting heavily in rainwater. It is also showing up in supermarkets and in milk. In Hawaii, it was 800 times the EPA limits. When they disclosed this, the EPA said it was "okay" because they said it was based on people living to 80 years old.
Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it. This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout. This is a terrible thing, but no one can do anything about it except move from where they live. It's all bullshit, and I cannot believe how no news outlets even care. I've come to the conclusion that they are definitely controlled, somehow, whether through government threat or whatever, not to sound crazy, but this is so fucked up, and Berkeley's nuclear program department has proven, along with many other universities and actually, EPA monitoring stations. These news outlets would usually have a field day with this kind of news, yet....again, nothing. We're all basically fucked. The iodine can go away eventually but the rest, is going to be around for a long, long time.
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Did you read the thread at all?
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wow man that was a great video!!!! +5!!!
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: propensity]
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Yes, did you read mine? I talked about the video.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
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Of course I read your post, which is what lead me to wonder if you read the thread.
Because someone already explained in depth why what she is saying is sensationalism
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: sandi]
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sandi said: One: everyone who was saying radiation would not reach the US, was wrong. Anyone with a brain knew this was going to happen.
Nobody in their right mind denied that radiation would reach the US. Everybody in their right mind acknowledges that the extent to which it has happened has no significant effect on human health, as was to be expected given the nature of the disaster.
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Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people.
Although definite measures will never be available, the estimates of the total amount of radiation released is in the same order of magnitude for Fukushima and Chernobyl. The two disasters are different from each other in terms of disaster response (immediate and well-executed given the circumstances in Fukushima, badly delayed and fundamentally flawed in Chernobyl whatever the excuses provided), geographical location, and type and mode of contamination (reactor explosion and open-air reactor graphite fire in Chernobyl vs. contaminated steam release in Fukushima). The two are difficult to compare if you don't have profound knowledge of the technical details involved.
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Three: the problem people have with the media is that they kept having people give interviews who were either retarded or giving false information on purpose to keep people calm, i.e., "the radiation is not worse than watching tv or a cross-country flight" and "the radiation is not worse than background radiation you are exposed to each day".
Yes, some of the media have not done a very good job at trying to simplify matters for the general public. Some sources such as the BBC did make an effort to provide concise, actual and accurate information as the events unfurled.
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They did not give any more explanation, and also, did not refer to the radiation correctly: as fallout. Eventually, these comparisons were dropped from news stories because some experts blasted them as false, because of what I just said: fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.
Both fallout and background radiation contribute to the dose received by an organism. Indeed, the exact tissues that are exposed and the local intensity of the exposure contribute to the effective dose received. That's why the quantitative data that are released are using the Sievert unit, which compensates for these technicalities.
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The other problem as well is that people are told it's not bad, but tests were showing that it was collecting heavily in the rain. The EPA did not tell people until a week after it was already collecting heavily in rainwater. It is also showing up in supermarkets and in milk. In Hawaii, it was 800 times the EPA limits. When they disclosed this, the EPA said it was "okay" because they said it was based on people living to 80 years old.
I'm not sure on what sort of data you based the above statements. If you take a look at actual data, you can see that the measured radioactivity is 1,000 times to 100,000 times lower than the highest radiation level measured in Germany after the Chernobyl accident. Note that the Germans are pretty healthy still, despite Chernobyl.
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Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it.
Some things are true. They are laced with sensationalist fear mongering in a way that makes it difficult for the ill-informed to separate fact from fiction.
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This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.
Uhm, depends on how you define 'many'. As a European, I know that only my father owned a GM counter in the late 1980s because he was an electronics freak and he liked to rely on data instead of having to rely on the ill-informed, mis-interpreting reports issues by dimwitted journalists.
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This is a terrible thing
For once, I agree. But we'll probably never agree on how terrible, or why it's terrible.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
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sandi said: Two: this is already worse than Chernobyl, according to Japan, and this was predicted by many, many people.
it's not the same as chernobyl and whether it's wrse or not is a matter of opinion because we're comparing apples and oranges
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fallout is not background radiation, you can't *eat* background radiation.
sure you can
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose#Radiation_from_Other_foods
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Everything she is saying in this video is true, there is nothing sensationalist about it. This is just the reality of nuclear accidents. Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.
lol... many people in america own a geiger counter or other device for measuring radiation, think that's because of chernobyl as well? in my time in central and eastern europe I never once saw a geiger counter used to detect the levels of radiation in the foods at the stores. it's all sensationalism from an anti-nuclear activist
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It's all bullshit, and I cannot believe how no news outlets even care.
what's bullshit is the alarmist crap that some people continue to believe, Caldicott cites about 1 million deaths due to chernobyl, it seems she's counting the deaths of people that are still alive, roughly 600,000 people still living and who knows how many to pad the estimate to over 900,000. where's she get her info from, what sources? there were about 40 oblasts immediately affected in ukraine, belarus and russia and the incidents of thyroid cancer and lukemia are only slightly higher than any of the rest of the world. Kiev, Gomel, Mozyr, Yelsk... all still thriving cities
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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They talk about Depleted Uranium ammunition being so bad, but warfare has always been unhealthy. For instance all people involved in the Civil War died, even people who didnt set foot on the battlefield.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Asante]
#14354259 - 04/26/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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battles of old were spectator events, with the introduction of firearms it became far more deadly for those watching. it was like TV for the 1800s
the way I see it, a lead bullet in the gut is just as bad for you as one of DU
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I posted the video because I thought it was interesting. A person who has dedicated their life to the harm radiation/nuclear power can cause is worth listening to. Although she does make it sounds like everyone is already dead lol which is most likely due to her extreme distrust of nuclear power. She is still on point about most the content in the video. Instead of trying to scare everyone away from this type of power she should just do her best to educate the people.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
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athedrivein61 said: I posted the video because I thought it was interesting. A person who has dedicated their life to the harm radiation/nuclear power can cause is worth listening to.
right, her anti-nuclear agenda, she's a medical doctard, not even in the nuclear field, what the hell makes her worth listening to, the fact that she's falsified the figures to try and garner more support for her cause or is it because Dr. preceded her name so that means we should listen
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Although she does make it sounds like everyone is already dead lol which is most likely due to her extreme distrust of nuclear power. She is still on point about most the content in the video.
how can she be on point if her point is based on a lie?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1, I swear you are Swami's puppet lol
I find your insight on all topics good and very logic based. but I lol at almost every reply you give. your inflection is awesome
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: FlusH]
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
#14355167 - 04/26/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's some facts to chill your bones my negros:
- 100% OF THE EARTH IS IRRADIATED!!!!!!
- 100% OF YOU ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: athedrivein61]
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its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945. 955 nuclear bombs were tested in Nevada alone, making Nevada one of the most polluted places on this earth right next to fukushima.
Yet the government is waging a "war on cancer" 
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
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danielx said: its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945. 955 nuclear bombs were tested in Nevada alone, making Nevada one of the most polluted places on this earth right next to fukushima.
Yet the government is waging a "war on cancer" 
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65% of cancer is from tobacco/obesity. So there's most of it. Care to argue that fat smokers get lung cancer from nuclear testing in 1940's?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
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danielx said: its a well known fact among anyone in the intellectual world that most cancers today are from all the nuclear weapon testing started in 1945.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Have you even looked at the cancer rates in relation to nuclear technology?
Blame tobacco use for lung cancer, fine. But blaming obesity for the over 200 varieties of cancer, thats a stretch.
believe all the .gov websites you want, its all acceptable and safe limits of radiation, right? Bikini island was also within safe and acceptable limits of radiation, nevermind the fact that my friends grand father who worked there died of cancer, along with all of his crew.
Must have just been an interesting coincidence though.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
#14355819 - 04/26/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How could one accurately determine the cause of ones cancer?
Besides in obvious circumstances .. i.e. bikini atoll
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: twighead]
#14356099 - 04/26/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
Then shouldn't be obvious that 935 nuclear tests in Nevada polluted the world and caused cancer? What about the 496 done in Kazakhstan? How about the 214 done in mother russia?
But this is all safe, acceptable limits. Nothing to see here folks, just obesity.
Oh, and I bet the Japanese people really wanted a nuclear power plant on a fault line. Because the Japanese people are so pro nuclear power, right?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: she's a medical doctard, not a nuclear physicist, she's also an anti nuclear activist so it's certainly not like she doesnt have an agenda, where's the independent verification from these guys the 'knew' the GE reactors at fukushima were defective
Hee hee... "doctard."
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: danielx]
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danielx said: bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
Then shouldn't be obvious that 935 nuclear tests in Nevada polluted the world and caused cancer? What about the 496 done in Kazakhstan? How about the 214 done in mother russia?
But this is all safe, acceptable limits. Nothing to see here folks, just obesity.
Oh, and I bet the Japanese people really wanted a nuclear power plant on a fault line. Because the Japanese people are so pro nuclear power, right?
bikini atoll was obvious. People there grew horrendous cancers because everything was irradiated.
I don't doubt that it can cause cancer but proximity is key... Look how fucking close they were to that bomb

Here's the total fallout exposure from nuclear testing (I can't vouch for the total legitimacy of this map..)

I think its a massive stretch to state that most cancers are caused from this. Some, sure, likely... but most probably not. It would be interesting to see the incidence rates of cancer per county from 1945-1980~ and see how well it lines up with that map though.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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But God made me in his image, and he is perfect? How could we be made in God's image if our hardware fails more often than the first generation Xbox 360's?
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: sandi]
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sandi said: Many people in Europe own detectors for their groceries due to Chernobyl's fallout.
When I repeated this statement to my wife, she about died on the floor laughing . She was born and raised in Eastern Europe very close to Chernobyl. In fact she had to drink iodine on May day in 1986. She has never met anybody that had a Geiger counter to measure radiation in their groceries.
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I do agree with this.
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living in e. europe, am laughing too. my neighbour was in the clean-up crew. my dad dodged the draft somehow.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: danielx]
#14359234 - 04/27/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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danielx said: Have you even looked at the cancer rates in relation to nuclear technology?
This is one of those "correlation does not equal causation" things. 60 years ago, many people who died of 'old age' were not diagnosed with cancer either because doctors didn't exactly know what was going on, or because nobody bothered since they were old people anyway (a coroner would simply state something along the lines as 'old age' as cause of death). Sounds harsh, but that's the world our parents and grandparents grew up in. Today, medical diagnosis is much more advanced and applied across the population, meaning that we now know better what the cause of death in individuals is, even if they die at an advanced age.
Another contributing factor to any rise in cancer diagnosis is the fact that medical care has improved (apart from the diagnosis part), and people don't die from ailments that we now consider treatable. TBC for instance, which killed my aunt back in 1946, but wouldn't have been lethal today. Had she lived, she might have died from cancer a year ago, but she didn't, because the TB already got her decades ago. So many of us simply live on until something pops up that is really hard to treat and potentially lethal, such as cancer or coronary disease.
Nuclear fallout as a result of open-air nuclear tests in the pasts has definitely caused instances of cancer, I have no doubt about that. Allegedly, the number of (cancer) deaths caused by nuclear testing is around 11,000 in the US (cumulative; so all tests combined, and all deaths over the past 60 years). This is a significant number, but a far cry from the hundreds of thousands of the annual cancer deaths that can often be related to simply old age (prostate cancer), genetics (intestinal cancer, breast cancer), smoking (lung cancer, stomach cancer and tumors in mouth/throat), excessive exposure to the sun (skin cancer) and drinking (liver cancer, mouth/throat/stomach cancer).
So given the above, I'm really wary of statements like 'nuclear testing has caused the increase in incidence of cancer', especially if no credible source is cited that either provides quantitative evidence, or a likely causal analysis that explains why the <7% of the background radiation caused by nuclear testing causes an increase in cancer, while the remaining >93% doesn't.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. [Re: blujay]
#14359255 - 04/27/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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blujay said: How could we be made in God's image if our hardware fails more often than the first generation Xbox 360's?
Nuclear hardware doesn't fail that often. We currently have about 500 nuclear reactors worldwide. We have used nuclear reactors since the 1940s. The number of accidents with consequences for the population in the period since that time can be counted on the fingers of one hand. We should demand the best possible safety, and I know from up-close and personal that nuclear safety in the West is about as good as it possibly gets, and it still improves every day, because the mechanisms that lead to improvement are inalienable parts of the nuclear safety culture. The only thing that worries me is the possibility that we (as a society) are going to take away funding from the nuclear industry on a massive scale. This will make the industry less attractive to suppliers and bright minds that may consider it an interesting career opportunity. If funding, talent and spare parts are going to be difficult to get a hold of, I really fear for nuclear safety. That would be the worst-case scenario in terms of reliability.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this on the mainstream. [Re: blujay]
#14359314 - 04/27/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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blujay said: But God made me in his image, and he is perfect?
god isnt perfect, god has also sinned
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all cancer is caused by nooklear wessels.
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Re: Dr Helen Caldicott explains Nuclear fallout. Probably will not be hearing this [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14359367 - 04/27/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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blujay said: But God made me in his image, and he is perfect?
god isnt perfect, god has also sinned
For one thing, he hit it off with Mary who was married at the time
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