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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: The observer is the observed [Re: zoomfan]
    #14354549 - 04/26/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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zoomfan said:
This statement imo is one of the most simple, concise statements regarding the problem of self and duality. it feels like we are an observer, observing the world, including our thoughts sensations etc. Everything that exists, other than hypothetically, is included in the observed category. Even the hypothesizing itself i suppose would be included in this category, so really anything you can experience in any way is observed.

This doesnt leave much room for an observer, if it could be experienced or imagined it would be considered to be in the observed category.
If even hypothetically it was not observable in any way it would have no characteristics therefore no existence, thus the observer is the observed, there is only the observed. everything is consciousness including our hypothesis about the world as it really is, what we call the self, and anything else you can see or think of. opinions?





Seems absurd, but forgivable.
All you have said is that you can only observe the observed, and thus you can only observe observations, not an observer. You actually imply the observer due to the observations.

If there is no observer then there is no observations, in which case it is absurd to say that all there is are observations.


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