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NetDiver
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14372160 - 04/29/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Taking psychedelics made me more of a materialist. If I can change my consciousness with chemicals, it logically follows that my consciousness is made of chemicals.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: NetDiver]
#14372177 - 04/29/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Same here.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: NetDiver]
#14372183 - 04/29/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Taking psychedelics made me more of a materialist. If I can change my consciousness with chemicals, it logically follows that my consciousness is made of chemicals. 
I figured this out the first time I saw somebody get drunk, because I was raised with an adequately functioning theory of mind. I was six. I continued to grow after that revelation.
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Edited by Tchan909 (04/29/11 11:50 AM)
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: MushroomTrip]
#14373694 - 04/29/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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millzy said: materialists who endorse psychedelics. very odd bunch here.
Indeed, rational people tend to seem odd to the others.
so being a monist or dualist automatically makes a person irrational?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
#14373701 - 04/29/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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millzy said:
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millzy said: materialists who endorse psychedelics. very odd bunch here.
Indeed, rational people tend to seem odd to the others.
so being a monist or dualist automatically makes a person irrational?
No. Disagreeing with MushroomTrip makes you irrational.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14373771 - 04/29/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
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millzy said:
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millzy said: materialists who endorse psychedelics. very odd bunch here.
Indeed, rational people tend to seem odd to the others.
so being a monist or dualist automatically makes a person irrational?
No. Disagreeing with MushroomTrip makes you irrational.
But she is an EXPERT on what is rational!
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: HippieChick8]
#14373781 - 04/29/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're only pissed off cause I show you how much crap there is in your posts.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#14373885 - 04/29/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I figured this out the first time I saw somebody get drunk, because I was raised with an adequately functioning theory of mind. I was six. I continued to grow after that revelation.
Making up nonsense does not count as "growing," just so you're aware.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: NetDiver]
#14373889 - 04/29/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said: I figured this out the first time I saw somebody get drunk, because I was raised with an adequately functioning theory of mind. I was six. I continued to grow after that revelation.
Making up nonsense does not count as "growing," just so you're aware.
Are you responding to anything I said in particular?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
#14377042 - 04/30/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said: I picked up one of Jung's books at the library once..had to put it down because it was full of a bunch of mystical nonsense. 
you just didn't get it. there's a reason he's so widely respected. the man went deeper into his dream states and subconscious then anybody in western academia had to that point. by the end of his life he could only remember internal events, not external.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14377210 - 04/30/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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He is respected more for his art than for his theories, which are total bunk. It sounds to me like Alzheimer's overtook him at the end of his life. That's not a state of consciousness most people would describe as desirable.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
#14380140 - 04/30/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Poid said: I picked up one of Jung's books at the library once..had to put it down because it was full of a bunch of mystical nonsense. 
you just didn't get it.
Why do you assume that, just because I was uninterested in and disagreed with his propositions, this means I didn't "get it"? Can you please actually answer this question?
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guruu said: there's a reason he's so widely respected. the man went deeper into his dream states and subconscious then anybody in western academia had to that point.
There is no solid evidence which suggests that there is a such thing as a "subconscious"--there may be an unconscious mind, but those two are not the same thing.
Who cares if he went deep into his dream states? Why should I find his dream states interesting?
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guruu said: by the end of his life he could only remember internal events, not external.
Um, who gives a shit?
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: NetDiver]
#14381587 - 05/01/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: Taking psychedelics made me more of a materialist. If I can change my consciousness with chemicals, it logically follows that my consciousness is made of chemicals. 
Hammers make people unconscious, it logically follows that consciousness is made of hammers.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: 1983]
#14381872 - 05/01/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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1983 said:
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Samurai Drifter said: Taking psychedelics made me more of a materialist. If I can change my consciousness with chemicals, it logically follows that my consciousness is made of chemicals. 
Hammers make people unconscious, it logically follows that consciousness is made of hammers.
not to mention, psychedelics don't change your consciousness, they change qualities that exist within your consciousness. In many cases, what we think of as the psychedelic experience is just many of our minute-to-minute patterns getting blasted out and we can see the pure consciousness much more easily. But then, it's a drug, so shit's all wonky on top of that and there's visuals. So you can come back and describe the concrete qualities of the trip, even though the mind blowing thing is your own consciousness which it makes very apparent.
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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: 1983]
#14382033 - 05/01/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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1983 said:
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Samurai Drifter said: Taking psychedelics made me more of a materialist. If I can change my consciousness with chemicals, it logically follows that my consciousness is made of chemicals. 
Hammers make people unconscious, it logically follows that consciousness is made of hammers.
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