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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
    #14367910 - 04/28/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think it should be important not to conflate the historical definition of the word "science" with the products of the modern "scientific method."


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14367933 - 04/28/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think it should be important not to conflate the historical definition of the word "science" with the products of the modern "scientific method."




if you read what i said, i wasn't doing anything of the sort.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
    #14367982 - 04/28/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I was actually responding to ZappaIsGod's argument and agreeing with you.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14367995 - 04/28/11 04:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

right on. i thought that was directed at me.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
    #14368664 - 04/28/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well much of it has been overturned but the fact that he linked behavior to sexual neuroses and stuff is fairly valid,



No.  It was vile sexist repressive crap.  100%.  Harmful crap, I might add.
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that really does explain lots of behavior even if we have much more sophisticated models these days.




No it doesn't.  It doesn't explain anything and it hurt many many people.
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  Freudian analysis was predominant in psychology for much of the 20th century




Hence my opinion that he retarded rather than advanced the study of the mind.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14369737 - 04/28/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

you really think freud retarded the study of the mind.  You realize Carl Jung was an early protege of his, right? Do you also think Carl Jung held back modern psychology? :rofl: cause that my friend would be WRONG


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14369959 - 04/28/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ZIG I'd really like to hear some examples of why you feel this way about Freud. Without an explanation of how he set the field of psychology back it's really hard to tell what you're getting at.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14371504 - 04/29/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

idk, i'm reading siggy atm, and it's this insufferable, tragically materialistic text called 'the future of an illusion'. cynical, narrow minded and not even applicable in some respects of my studies. freud's an important voice in that he's a very loud voice, but i would hardly put him up as psychology's poster boy.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: g00ru]
    #14371666 - 04/29/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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you really think freud retarded the study of the mind.  You realize Carl Jung was an early protege of his, right? Do you also think Carl Jung held back modern psychology? :rofl: cause that my friend would be WRONG




Yes and yes.  Jung was also completely full of shit.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14371672 - 04/29/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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ZIG I'd really like to hear some examples of why you feel this way about Freud. Without an explanation of how he set the field of psychology back it's really hard to tell what you're getting at.



Because he sent everybody in the field off on wild nonsensical goose chases, utterly without any scientific merit or discipline, after nebulous and undefinable bullshit.  He and his interpretive ilk so dominated the field with complete bilge for decades (Freudian psychoanalysis was still being taught in the late '70s.)  A complete and total waste of time and effort that led nowhere.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14371681 - 04/29/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Finally! Something we agree on. Freud and Jung were both quacks.

Although I think there's value to research psychology, I think clinical psychology is mostly bullshit.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Diploid]
    #14371686 - 04/29/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Finally! Something we agree on. Freud and Jung were both quacks.

Although I think there's value to research psychology, I think clinical psychology is mostly bullshit.



We've agreed on many things in the past.  Just not everything.  Like your ban.  JK.  I was only twitting you.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Diploid]
    #14371700 - 04/29/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I picked up one of Jung's books at the library once..had to put it down because it was full of a bunch of mystical nonsense. :nut:


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
    #14371706 - 04/29/11 08:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I picked up one of Jung's books at the library once..had to put it down because it was full of a bunch of mystical nonsense. :nut:



You saved yourself several useless hours better spent pleasuring yourself.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14371712 - 04/29/11 08:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

My pleasure time usually only lasts a couple of minutes. :sad:


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
    #14371723 - 04/29/11 08:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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My pleasure time usually only lasts a couple of minutes. :sad:



You know you can do it more than once, right?


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14371726 - 04/29/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, my refractory period lasts for hours. :tongue2:


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: Poid]
    #14371941 - 04/29/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

materialists who endorse psychedelics. very odd bunch here.


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
    #14371945 - 04/29/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why is that odd?


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Re: Why is the philosophy, sociology and psychology forum being over-run [Re: millzy]
    #14372149 - 04/29/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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materialists who endorse psychedelics. very odd bunch here.




Indeed, rational people tend to seem odd to the others.


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