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Adam553
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i need advice...
#14338691 - 04/23/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i want to embark on my first mushroom trip. but i want this to be special. i don't want to disrespect the substance by abusing it. i feel like hallucinogens are here for us to break through our own thoughts and see things we couldn't see without them. most importantly i think they are here for us to learn.
i know setting and mindset are two of the most important things that you can do, but i don't know if that's enough for what i want. in the beginning i was thinking about meditating for a few days to be able to get into a deeper state of consciousness, but i'm lazy and didn't do it.
i feel like i might not be prepared to embark on the trip. i desperately want to experience it, but i also think there is a certain amount of time and respect that has to go into allowing yourself to use the substance correctly.
what i really want is to see if anyone has some questions or something they could ask me to see if i am ready to trip in a way that will allow me to learn from the experience and bring something back important enough to change my thought process or the way i live, or anything that would give me the opportunity to change myself.
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14338716 - 04/23/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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My question for you is this: what are you most scared of?
Are you scared to abuse the mushroom because you are worried it will abuse you back?
I will leave you with one piece of my own wisdom: the mushrooms are good. I can't really put it any other way... if you are humble, the mushrooms are so good....
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Adam553
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i'm most scared of coming to the realization that i am something i am not... its a long story.
its either that or that i am afraid that my life will amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things.
but what i feel, and what i know are two very different things...
also its not really that i am afraid that the mushrooms will abuse me back as much as i am afraid of lowering my moral standards and abusing a substance that i know has been used for thousands of years for divinity purposes. for me that is enough evidence to show that mushrooms should be used for that and that alone. but its also not to say it has to be completely serious, just with the intent of learning something. if something happens, then try to figure out what it means, if not don't worry about it. i just see that so many people take mushrooms for a "fun trip" and i don't really want that to be my reasoning.
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joemolloy
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14338775 - 04/23/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I take it that you want to change yourself for the better, right? You want to get rid of bad habits, negative ways of thinking, and whatever else it is you have hanging around your neck. You want them to be replaced by some mental state that will help you be happier and possibly more successful. You think a mushroom trip or a series of them can deliver this tall order?
My prediction is, if all goes well, you'll have an awesome trip, get a whisper of your divinity, a hint of your true successful self that is hiding beneath the old you, the one this earth has beaten and battered down. You'll know that the damaged you is not the real one because you've glimpsed the other you with your psychedelic goggles. You'll learn the lessons, experience what it is you seek, Everything. It'll all make exquisite sense, brother, you'll have the maps, the keys, and the cheat sheet to it all. Lucky you.
And then it'll all disappear. Snap! Just like that. And if you're really lucky, the anti-depressive aftereffects will last a few days, but still you lost your keys, you can't read the map, and your cheat sheet don't make any fucking sense. It's a good thing shrooms are cheap, especially if you grow them yourself because you can always go back to remember what it was you knew and forgot. Oh, but then it just becomes a mind game, doesn't it? After a while the game isn't even fun, and you might not even realize its a game.
If you want to make a lasting change and positive impact in your life, I really don't have too many suggestions. Draw upon your own inner strength, but to get high and imagine that your problems will somehow dissolve away and that the answers will float down into your hands is probably not likely. You may have unusual thought processes, some metaphorical thinking, and possibly an altered perspective, but you ain't gonna find any answers to your questions. You might find yourself more confused than you were before you started though.
I hope you find your peace.
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Adam553
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Re: i need advice... [Re: joemolloy]
#14338802 - 04/23/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks joemolly. that helps. it reminds me of why i even have this concern in the first place.
i was reading a book about psychedelic experiences with peyote and this shaman was teaching someone about preparation for ingesting them. he said he had to be able to find his "space" first. the space was where energy was drawing him in. if he found it, then it would be okay for him to trip.
preparation is a big thing, i guess i'm mostly just worried i'm not prepared.
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ComaDivine
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Re: i need advice... [Re: joemolloy]
#14338806 - 04/23/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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To the OP: you WILL figure out that you're the tiniest insignificant speck in the great Infinitude.
Don't let that stop you! You will also discover kinder things....
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Anthony917
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Re: i need advice... [Re: joemolloy]
#14338808 - 04/23/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hahah I was about to post "que Joe Molloy" but you beat me to it!
OP just take the fuckin drugs. You don't need to do any special meditation, or get into this spiritual state of consciousness to enjoy mushrooms. They are drugs, they will get you high, and it will be awesome.
Now dose.
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Adam553
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no offense Anthony but its replies like that, that make me want to reconsider what i am doing. its a substance, you can treat it like a drug and disrespect it, or you can treat it like a medicine and try heal yourself by bettering who you are as a human being. in fact it has nothing to do with drugs, or medicine, it has to do with what you set out to do and the respect you have for the powerful nature of mind altering substances.
to each their own, but don't tell me what to do without me telling YOU what to do right back.
i understand that i asked for advice, but there is a difference between giving advice and belittling the question that i was asking. instead of giving the answer that requires no thought "oh whatever just take them". maybe you should reconsider how you put out you're ideas. personally i took it as hostile. i do apologize if i am wrong. but thats just how it seemed to me.
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Adam553
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14338865 - 04/23/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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i guess i can end it here. i'm not having the conversations that i would like to have with people.
yes, in the end it is the person who makes the changes, not the drug, you will always be the reason for your changing. in essence, substances wont change you, YOU will change you.
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Joolz


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You don't take psychs to find answers. I took psychs to have fun, and they happened to alter the way I live my life. I'm now a gentler person, less judgmental, and overall happy because of my psychedelic drug use, but you shouldn't use them looking for answers.
Edit: I feel like you're overthinking "respect the drug." Yes, respect the drug, but that's just in the sense that you eat 3-7 grams of shrooms and not 20grams. And that you wait at least a week before tripping again. You don't have to spend 3 days mentally preparing yourself and eating certain things to have fun on mushrooms or other psychs, however, you do have to respect them in the fact that you have to dose safely (even if you dose hard, be safe about it) and come down and stay down for a few days at least before you go back up. Especially with things like molly or acid that literally feel like they fry your brain.
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Edited by Joolz (04/23/11 03:00 PM)
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joemolloy
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14338879 - 04/23/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Adam553 said: no offense Anthony but its replies like that, that make me want to reconsider what i am doing. its a substance, you can treat it like a drug and disrespect it, or you can treat it like a medicine and try heal yourself by bettering who you are as a human being. in fact it has nothing to do with drugs, or medicine, it has to do with what you set out to do and the respect you have for the powerful nature of mind altering substances.
to each their own, but don't tell me what to do without me telling YOU what to do right back.
i understand that i asked for advice, but there is a difference between giving advice and belittling the question that i was asking. instead of giving the answer that requires no thought "oh whatever just take them". maybe you should reconsider how you put out you're ideas. personally i took it as hostile. i do apologize if i am wrong. but thats just how it seemed to me.
Easy. Anthony's advice was minimalistic, but it was entirely consistent with certain opinions about these drugs. I believe meditating upon your trips or seeking to have spiritual moments with which to inform yourself about "true reality" is dangerous to mental health and your ability to function in consensus reality. So when he says to "get high" on a drug and it'll be awesome, he's wishing you a good time and subtly suggesting that's all you can really hope to get out of it.
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Anthony917
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14338899 - 04/23/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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dude im sorry but you're just talking bullshit now. These substances are not medicine. It's people like you that got Joe Molloy banned lool. See, the problem is that people go into these psychedelic experiences expecting some incredibly mystic revelations, and that all their life problems can be tackled by ingesting these drugs. That just isn't true. Psychedelics expand your mind, they make you think abstractly, and they can offer great insight, but if you think that you're going to somehow be ultimately "enlightened" because you took shrooms...then you're just wrong.
How is me taking mushrooms 'for fun' disrespecting them? Mushrooms are meant to be respected, because they can royally fuck your head up for a while, and they are powerful. They aren't going to make you "see things we couldn't see without them". I've tripped a LOT and I have had a lot of epiphany type moments on shrooms, but then, when you sober up, you realize that they only FELT like epiphanies and the incredible information you just "learned" is really quite simple.
That's why I said you should just dose. You have all these definitions built up for what mushrooms are, and you have never even done them.
Again, my advice is to just dose.
(btw I didn't mean my post to be taken offensively)
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Adam553
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honestly man, i'm just going to go with the flow and hope for the best. i'm not seeking an answer to anything. i'm seeking knowledge, and i know for a fact that you can get a great amount of it from using psychs, that was my point. i wanted to know if i could learn anything, because learning is a lot more important to me than just having fun. but i don't mean to say that you shouldn't have fun doing it. i just don't think you should use mushrooms for recreational use unless you have the right mindset about you. i feel like people disrespect the drug by thinking "oh i'm gana get wicked high and see shit" when they should be excited about it while still being able to open themselves up to learning something. ofcourse you can take any drug to have fun and get high but don't do it JUST because of that. i feel like there is a real loss respect for the traditional use of mushrooms as a sacred substance. i guess its more a hate of that then it is of individual people taking them to have fun and get high. ... if that makes sesne
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Joolz


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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14339004 - 04/23/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm always happy, always ready to trip, always ready to have fun, and always ready to learn something new. But maybe I'm a special case. Dose, go with the flow, get away from lame people who will bring down the high, and have fun. If you learn something, awesome, but its not a waste if you have fun.
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ComaDivine
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Adam553]
#14339008 - 04/23/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I heartedly disagree, Anthony. These substances ARE medicine.
They have been used as medicine for thousands of years, and continue to be researched by both amateurs and professional scientists alike. Frankly, it IS disrespectful to abuse mushrooms or any other medicine. I'm not saying it's disrespectful to a "mushroom god", but it is certainly disrespectful to your own body and wellbeing, as well as to society.
EDIT: now, what is our definition of "abuse" ? I don't necessarily think it is a bad thing to take mushrooms for "fun"
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ComaDivine
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Easy. Anthony's advice was minimalistic, but it was entirely consistent with certain opinions about these drugs. I believe meditating upon your trips or seeking to have spiritual moments with which to inform yourself about "true reality" is dangerous to mental health and your ability to function in consensus reality. So when he says to "get high" on a drug and it'll be awesome, he's wishing you a good time and subtly suggesting that's all you can really hope to get out of it.
Hah, I've caught you Malloy. Now you're talking out of your ass.
How is it dangerous to your mental health to "meditate upon trips" or "seeking to have moments that inform yourself about your reality" ?? BULLSHIT!!
I can live as I choose, and sometimes I like to meditate on my trips. It is not dangerous bro, it's HEALTHY!
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Anthony917
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Because Coma, when you start to believe the bullshit while tripping, that translates directly into your sober life. I agree w/ Joe.
Also, my view of medicine is something that helps treat or cure a physical or mental ailment. Shrooms might make you feel good, but that's not medicine.
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ComaDivine
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And your medical credentials are....?
Here's some great research you should consider:
http://www.csam-asam.org/pdf/misc/Grob_Article.pdf
EDIT: The work of Charles Grob MD, of UCLA School of Medicine.
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Edited by ComaDivine (04/23/11 03:28 PM)
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Anthony917
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I don't need medical credentials. Also, I wouldn't consider helping cancer patients accept death as medicine.
I'm not saying that shrooms don't have uses, why else would I take them? They aren't medicine.
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joemolloy
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Grob is a psychedelic drug addict. If he wrote all those books and substituted the word "heroin" or "crack" for every time he used "psychedelics," you'd call him a junkie or crackhead and ridicule his delusional nonsense. He and those like him have devoted their lives to these drugs, they are psychedelic fanatics who promote and publicize the use of these drugs. Do you trust cigarette research conducted and funded by the tobacco industry.
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Edited by joemolloy (04/23/11 03:37 PM)
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ComaDivine
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I don't need medical credentials. Also, I wouldn't consider helping cancer patients accept death as medicine.
I'm not saying that shrooms don't have uses, why else would I take them? They aren't medicine.
You don't need medical credentials because you are not trying to be a doctor 
I see that we have different definitions and ideas of what medicine should entail.
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I see that medicine is still a word and that us, as humans, can place a different meaning on the same word. We're arguing over definitions here. One side says mushrooms can be used to have fun, the other side it should be used as medicine. How about you're both right as well as wrong? I mean hell, I use sprite as medicine whenever I get a bad cold. Does that mean anyone who drinks sprite is disrespecting the drink? Fuck no it doesn't.
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Re: i need advice... [Re: Joolz]
#14339104 - 04/23/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hahaha great point Joolz. I agree that most use of mushrooms is not abuse.
I thought it a good opportunity to point at that there ARE other opinions about the definition of medicine.
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joemolloy
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ComaDivine said: Hahaha great point Joolz. I agree that most use of mushrooms is not abuse.
I thought it a good opportunity to point at that there ARE other opinions about the definition of medicine.
More on that here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14338957
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BlindBat
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Re: i need advice... [Re: BlindBat]
#14341483 - 04/24/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just so you guys know, Mushrooms and Lsd alike are being used to treat cluster headaches. And with astonishing results. http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_medical1.shtml
Also i believe that no one has the right to say that Mushrooms won't help you mentally or give you answers. it's all up to the individuals interpretation, and as long as that opinion of theirs isn't being pushed onto the people around them, or isn't dramatically changing their lifestyle for the worse, then so be it. Let them interpret psychedelics the way THEY want to. Because everyone is different in the end.
I personally go in and out of psychedelic stages. Sometimes i'll trip with friends to connect and have a good time. Other times i'll do it alone while meditating to make it more spiritual, because thats what i enjoy. And sometimes i won't trip for months on end because i have a life outside of trying to become 'enlightened'.
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