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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Humility]
    #14332473 - 04/22/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow what's up with the hate?  Did Guruu make any statements as to dogmatic approaches or set-in-stone methodology to achieve ends?


Yes, he did it several times, and even admitted to being obsessed with it.


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I didn't see that.


Then you missed it.


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I AM may not work for you, that's perfectly fine, there are infinite roads and paths.


Not according to guruu. :nono:


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It is however sufficient.  To be quite frank I find it to be the most direct, sincere and simple route.  It's the only thing you can ever prove.


He talked about it as if it's a guaranteed way to achieve happiness.


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Many here will go into mental gymnastics about why I AM may or may not be true, but the fact is "The experience" has been with you as long as you can remember; it is all there is, it is all you know.  It is the only constant.

Everything else is wallpaper.


This thread isn't about whether "I AM" is true.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14336269 - 04/23/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

One more thing:



For anyone that comes across this in the future; the I AM technique works very well with this video, or at least it specifically did for me.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Humility]
    #14337593 - 04/23/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, focusing on i am and watching mooji videos is so powerful....almost terrifyingly real at times haha.  It's amazing how just receiving the presence of  a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such  change in your life.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14338311 - 04/23/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Braco pwns Mooji.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14338330 - 04/23/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Morrison pwns 'em both. :jimmorrison:


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14338623 - 04/23/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

grrrr


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14338639 - 04/23/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14338685 - 04/23/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's amazing how just receiving the presence of  a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such  change in your life.




Of course, you realize this could easily be tested on non-gullible peeps and I am certain the effect you claim would be totally lacking.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14338692 - 04/23/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

oh yeah, i'm sure plenty of people would be quite adept at blocking out the influence :sad:


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14338800 - 04/23/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So even neutral people would block the 'influence'. What does that tell you?


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14339270 - 04/23/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Morrison pwns 'em both. :jimmorrison:




Ya know he agrees we should find out who we really are. Just read the interview with him.

We're perched headlong in the edge of boredom
We're reaching for death on the end of a candle
We're trying for something that's already found us
Wow, I'm sick of doubt
Live in the light of certain
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The sevants have the power


No more fighting no more fancy dress this other kingdom seems by far the best
Until it's other jaw reveals incest and a loose obidience to a vegetable law
I will not go
Prefer a feast of friends to the giant family


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14339507 - 04/23/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree, too--I don't agree, though, that focusing on "I AM" will necessarily bring you happiness.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14339546 - 04/23/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

The problem with teachers such as Ramana Maharishi and co. is that they are saying the self is "out there" or "something else". The enlightenment game is basically a series of failures IMO.

"You can run from yourself for a long time but not forever, it will hit you and you will be surprised, that's why it's called a sewerprise." - Karl Renz

"Enlightenment is the great and final disappointment, the dissolution of all our egoic fantasies and grand hopes." - Trungpa Rinpoche

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14339588 - 04/23/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"Enlightenment is the great and final disappointment, the dissolution of all our egoic fantasies and grand hopes." - Trungpa Rinpoche


:satansmoking:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: g00ru]
    #14340249 - 04/23/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, focusing on i am and watching mooji videos is so powerful....almost terrifyingly real at times haha.  It's amazing how just receiving the presence of  a being who resides totallly in his heart, even over youtube, can produce such  change in your life.




the problem with spritual teachers including so called non teachers like mooji is that it seems like hes got something you dont and the idea of self perpetuates. mooji doesnt isolate the problem very well, he just speaks from an understanding he came to know without knowing how he got there.

THE IDEA OF A SELF IS THE PROBLEM focusng on the i am perpetuates the idea of a self. I...am . two things there, there is a me... who is being. in reality there is only being, or existence not a me who is existing, that would imply something different than existence itself which has to encompass everything anything that doesnt exist ...doesnt exist. hard to follow but deadly crucial. so with words the simplest you can get is everything is existence, no thing is separate from existence. but do dont attach the I and say i am existence or I am.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
    #14340328 - 04/23/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The whole idea of nonduality gets lost because of this i am crap, there are lots of different manifestations of this duality, rest as awareness, allow yourself to just be, etc all implying that there is a you and something you need to become, or align to its all crap. the idea of a self is the duality, me and the world, therein lies the separation without the idea of the self the world is the world all governed by the same forces made of the same stuff etc but as soon as humans enter the picture we make the separation and give the self characteristics whihc cut it off from the rest of the universe. its just societys immaturity at work, we dont want to give up the credit for the good things yet we easily relinquish it for the bad.


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
    #14340332 - 04/23/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
    #14340944 - 04/23/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup:


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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: zoomfan]
    #14341014 - 04/23/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Focusing on "I AM"... [Re: Poid]
    #14342123 - 04/24/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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