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Joolz


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14334846 - 04/22/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I take psychs because they make me happy. Even in the midst of a heart racing, anxious, heroic dose of shrooms trip I found fun in it. I was paranoid someone would find out I was tripping balls (was at a concert, leaving the concert) and I'd get in trouble. It was still more fun than anything I would do sober.
Maybe it is all bullshit, but like most things, that's your opinion of something in the world. One man's trash is another man's treasure and all that nonsense.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14334947 - 04/22/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: What does it open your mind to? What new potential do you have that you didn't before? Once I got honest with myself, I couldn't think of anything positive that it did.
Those cliches sound uplifting and empowering, but they are stale and empty to me. You are still the same guy with the same problems with the same limitations as you were before you tripped. Except now you think you have a secret telephone line to your eastern philosophy and that if you really concentrate during your trips, the ideas on those pages will come to life. And they will come to life. Seriously. And so will the Bible, the Koran, and a Superman comic book. They'll all come to life with equal power. Which one is real? None of them. You're just really fucking high and confused.
That psychedelic confusion can have the effect of shaking up the etch-a-sketch that is our personality and habits, allowing for somewhat of a fresh start. Of course, it takes some real work in the real world to make progress; psychedelics aren't a miracle cure-all.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14335172 - 04/22/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whenever I trip, I drink good beer, hang out with beautiful women, and smoke a whole lot of grass. I do this because that is pretty much my favorite thing in the world when I'm not tripping. What we do while we drink beer and smoke grass is always an adventure and I always learn something about my life. These are always profound realizations. I used to think that the drug caused these profound realizations. Then, I started going back to college. Every day I have profound realizations. It doesn't matter if I'm sober, stoned, or tripping, they come from within. Everything comes from within.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: AUX]
#14335329 - 04/22/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm all about tripping and social events. Alllllllll about it. Just don't dose too hard so you can still talk to people. Unless its just like you and 3 friends in a house on 5 hits of LSD fucking giggling like mad.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14336051 - 04/22/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For those of you who use cannabis 'for fun'
How you do it??? cuz i've tried but i can't help but to reflect of real life matters while on cannabis. now, don't get me wrong, there are times when i have lots of insane and crazy fun, but at the end of day, i always end up reflecting on my own personal and life issues whether i like it or not.
I can't just eat cannabis and expect not think about what is it that life is, for me, and for those around me.
Cannabis is like an instrument, a tool, of reflection whether you like it or not.
Actually the whole ego death and hearing the wisdom of dead people is my idea of fun...
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#14336320 - 04/23/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thedudeman
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Johnny Depp]
#14336369 - 04/23/11 12:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Johnny Depp said: It gives you an altered state of mind for a short time in which you can see things from a different angle. But that angle isn't always true.
IMHO mushrooms lie. So I don't take things I think about on them too seriously. That's not to say I haven't occasionally learned something good. It's just mostly a waste of thought. I have thought up all kinds of theories and philosophies, and later when I'm sober thought "WTF was I thinking?"
And being a materialist/atheist I don't get any spiritual/god connection either. When I talk to god or ghosts, or feel vibes or whatever I don't connect that to some higher power trying to actually contact me.
So I take them for fun, and if I get anything out of it then great! But usually I get more useless bad/serious/loop trips than real epiphanies. I get more perspective from talking to other people and thinking about things sober than some psychedelic drug. Fucking Shrooms! There, I said it
i have a similar mind set, but i don't disregard the messages, i think about what they may represent in a metaphorical sense.
i don't believe in a god, i don't think their is or can be a god, but i still feel a connection between human beings and how i relate to human beings during my trips
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14337303 - 04/23/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sometimes for a bolt of lightning to shake up my life a bit (regular dose) - rare once/year or less sometimes for some sparkler dazzle to enhance my life a bit (partial dose) - often 4 times/month or more mostly nothing since it would be a waste (tolerance) and I wont get good value anyway from over using.
I don't look at it as a button to press to get pleasure, though a light dose usually makes me pretty happy, especially in the relax time after doing some really good and difficult work.
as for spiritual, I am always interested in awareness and letting-go, so I can't say there is any time that it is or isn't a spiritual thing, or even what that word means separate from what I do anyway.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
#14337429 - 04/23/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm not much of a "shrooms just for shits and giggles" (although i usually get both when tripping) kind of guy. i see this as more a personality type. i'm a fairly introspective guy in my "ground state", don't see why it would be any different when tripping 
i do other thangs for "fun". personally, i like to keep the mushroom experience a sacred one.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14338178 - 04/23/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think introspection is unavoidable on any psychedelic. that doesn't mean you're not allowed to have fun on them. the only compound that, to me, doesn't seem to lend itself to any sort of recreational use is ayahuasca.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: plaster]
#14342382 - 04/24/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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plaster said: why does reflecting on your life have to mean you're having a bad time? work on your attitude or your life
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#14342433 - 04/24/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Try LSD!
I find lsd to be far less of a mindfuck than shrooms when you take about 2 or 3 doses.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: LSDylan]
#14343666 - 04/24/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The main thing about life is attitude. Live in sadness and depression and anger in the moment, yes, but don't hurt people over it. You can wake up and choose to be whatever emotion you want. You just have to try.
If you keep living a life of depression though, you're gonna stay depressed. If you're always angry and you always let your rage go, you're going to be an angry person. Just chill out, be happy, and be optimistic. Say yes to ideas that will lead you to good experiences, be careful, and don't hurt others. Those 3 things plus always wanting to have a good time, to laugh and giggle and have conversation and good drink and herb and food, and you can be happy. You just have to make it. Its a universe of endless possibilities, just open the door.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Joolz]
#14344041 - 04/24/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sounds like a good plan to me
but chemical depression/anxiety can't be cured by simply telling yourself to be happy i think for someone in a slump this might work, otherwise not, although it can't hurt
also i don't think alcohol and weed will help someone in his position, doesn't sound like he's in a state where ingesting more chemicals can help him restore balance.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
#14344201 - 04/24/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life. You've been sold a bill of goods. Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen. We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off. And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence. I remember tripping with the black kids once. It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time. No one held these drugs above or below any other drug. The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs. There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success. Look around you.
These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further. You want to meet God, you can become God. You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get. Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own. Nothing. With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status.
You want to trip and have fun? Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine. Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue. Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right? Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.
If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.
and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#14344610 - 04/24/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life. You've been sold a bill of goods. Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen. We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off. And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence. I remember tripping with the black kids once. It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time. No one held these drugs above or below any other drug. The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs. There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success. Look around you.
These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further. You want to meet God, you can become God. You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get. Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own. Nothing. With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status.
You want to trip and have fun? Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine. Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue. Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right? Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.
If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.
and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man
seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.
but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it
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joemolloy
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Led Zeppelin]
#14344621 - 04/24/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life. You've been sold a bill of goods. Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen. We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off. And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence. I remember tripping with the black kids once. It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time. No one held these drugs above or below any other drug. The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs. There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success. Look around you.
These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further. You want to meet God, you can become God. You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get. Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own. Nothing. With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status.
You want to trip and have fun? Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine. Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue. Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right? Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.
If youve ever done ayahuasca and can still say this..idk wtf youre thinking.
and the internet didn't invent the idea of psychedelics being spiritual. its been going on for 1000s of years. even in the 60s man
I did ayahuasca every Saturday for two years and my conclusions are that the experience can take the Bible, the Koran, all of eastern philosophy and a Superman comic book and bring them to life with such power and force that they're all equally believable. The feelings I got on ayahuasca were divine and revelatory. I glimpsed my own divinity, my own place in the universe. The lines between self and other were blurred until I was it all. Blah, blah, blah. Then I called bullshit on the whole thing and suddenly my trips turned into tin pot, chintzy garbage. I went from being God to just some dude getting high for fun. Get it? They do whatever you want, they just amplify whatever nonsense you have floating around in your head. If you think that's Truth, then you must believe there is lots of Truth in the mental ward too. "Hey maaaaan, how dare you try to shit on their reality!" Truth may be subjective and my opinion may be one among many, but some ideas are more rational, logical, and intelligent than others. These drugs fuck you up in all sorts of creative ways, its a big head game that you can't ever win.
Oh, I know the internet didn't create the mystical interpretation of the psychedelic experience, but it introduced many users including myself to it and had it profoundly alter the experience. Funny how that works - here's an equation (funny idea + psychedelics = funny idea skullfucking you to the point of stupidity)
Yes, I'm a believer.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14344648 - 04/24/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.
but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it 
they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked. today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
#14344682 - 04/24/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.
but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it 
Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status. If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some c
Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture?
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seriously, why the hell do you think shamans took psychoactive substances? to have a good time? many of the psychoactives that we hold near and dear (mushrooms, cactus, ayahuasca, etc.) have been used a vehicle between this world and the unseen for thousands of years.
but you're probably right, shamans read about that shit on the web in the middle of the amazon and that's why they ascribed spirituality to it 
they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked. today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.
Interesting how psychedelic enthusiasts like to elevate these backwards jungle throwbacks to such a high status. If they didn't get fucked up hallucinogens, would anyone on Shroomery give a fuck about them? Nah, you'd relegate them to the anthropology books as some curiously boring primitives. You would also laugh at their beliefs and mock their superstitious ideas. Oh, but because they get high too, their ideas suddenly have value. Especially their ideas about drugs. They get extra credit points because they mythologized their usage.
Why don't we speak lovingly about traditional Eskimo culture around these parts?
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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Anthony917]
#14344707 - 04/24/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anthony917 said: they didn't take them for fun, they took them to learn about the world, and the universe, and the mysteries of life, except nowadays we've already solved 90% of the questions they were asking. These substances were so popular back in the day because people had NO IDEA about how the natural forces of the world worked. today, things like shrooms & other psychedelics are irrelevant to the culture, because we seek our answers from science, not from mystical drugs.
while it's true in part that they did take them to try and learn about the world that surrounded them they also took them to communicate and learn from something "larger" than themselves. they communed with "the dead", with those who had crossed over into "the other", whatever that "other" might be.
while science has been able to give account for many of the things we used to ascribe mystery to it still can not explain the metaphysical.
as moderns humans we like to perceive of ourselves as the most "technologically and scientifically advanced" of our species to ever exist. while that may be true, i see our species in a state of spiritual regression that may end up bringing more harm to us a species than any past scientific ignorance could have ever brought about.
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