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What, in your opinion is our current state of government?
#14335530 - 04/22/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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All I know is Im not sure why people are so easily led astray by this Popularity contest that is our current government. The complete joke that is Republican vs Democrat and the like amazes me.
Some kind of sick and twisted game of tug and war between the two "parties" which continue to spew out asshat puppets (visible leaders) all played out on a massive stage for all to invest, believe and trust in.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14335564 - 04/22/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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this should be in the political forum so zappa can get his taste of flesh.
I agree with you. The whole democrat and republican war is completely bullshit. The american people are too busy with it to see whats really happening.
now those are the 2 super powers and nothing else can get in. its all a bunch of crock.
just like all the news networks. people actually believe that shit? its all ran by money.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61] 3
#14335570 - 04/22/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Imagine if you had a car that was so far broken and beyond repair, in order to actually fix it, you would end up replacing literally every part of it, essentially making it a new car.
Voting in a new president is like giving this broken car a new paint job, while fixing nothing else about it, and then selling it as a new car.
Or its like electing a new captain to a half sunken ship. It's like, 'Cool you're captain!........... but this ship is already sinking and we've lost half the crew and all the life support boats, so we're all fucked anyways..... but hey you're captain....... wooo...."
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335578 - 04/22/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL, thats about the best way to put it.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61] 2
#14335581 - 04/22/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I assume bad faith all around with "our" government
If you assume premeditated dishonesty from both major parties and that they are both on the same team and that any disagreement is merely play acting for the masses, then a lot of things that can't be explained start to make sense.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335585 - 04/22/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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soo true...
if they cut the fuck out of government spending. shit could get better. If they lowered the military's spending, made drugs legal, and cut out alot of the safty net programs. shit could turn around.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335589 - 04/22/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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meh, the peasants have always loved theater, it's the only thing that helps to make their pitiful lives seem somewhat exciting
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: gerryjarcia]
#14335600 - 04/22/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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until government changes weed laws i have very little respect for them , not cause i think its the most important issue but even the other way around. 60 years on they keep the fail war going
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: skatealex2]
#14335602 - 04/22/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are just to proud to admit they fucked up. Again.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: sjfrockerdude]
#14335607 - 04/22/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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our government is awesome if you don't like it you can GTFO. WE DON'T WANT YOUR KIND AROUND HERE, CRIMINAL.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335623 - 04/22/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Azure Essence said: Imagine if you had a car that was so far broken and beyond repair, in order to actually fix it, you would end up replacing literally every part of it, essentially making it a new car.
Voting in a new president is like giving this broken car a new paint job, while fixing nothing else about it, and then selling it as a new car.
Or its like electing a new captain to a half sunken ship. It's like, 'Cool you're captain!........... but this ship is already sinking and we've lost half the crew and all the life support boats, so we're all fucked anyways..... but hey you're captain....... wooo...."
Well put. I say string em' all up at the gallows and we start fresh.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: JT]
#14335625 - 04/22/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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who you talking too?
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: dshow]
#14335656 - 04/22/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shits fucked up. /thread
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335944 - 04/22/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Azure Essence said: Imagine if you had a car that was so far broken and beyond repair, in order to actually fix it, you would end up replacing literally every part of it, essentially making it a new car.
Voting in a new president is like giving this broken car a new paint job, while fixing nothing else about it, and then selling it as a new car.
Or its like electing a new captain to a half sunken ship. It's like, 'Cool you're captain!........... but this ship is already sinking and we've lost half the crew and all the life support boats, so we're all fucked anyways..... but hey you're captain....... wooo...."
Heyyyyy Ohhh
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14335967 - 04/22/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Azure Essence said: Imagine if you had a car that was so far broken and beyond repair, in order to actually fix it, you would end up replacing literally every part of it, essentially making it a new car.
Voting in a new president is like giving this broken car a new paint job, while fixing nothing else about it, and then selling it as a new car.
Or its like electing a new captain to a half sunken ship. It's like, 'Cool you're captain!........... but this ship is already sinking and we've lost half the crew and all the life support boats, so we're all fucked anyways..... but hey you're captain....... wooo...."
there needs to be a 2 term limit in ALL elected government positions. that will get rid of these career politicians that do it for a paycheck, not for the people.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
#14335973 - 04/22/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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thelivingfreekshow said: there needs to be a 2 term limit in ALL elected government positions. that will get rid of these career politicians that do it for a paycheck, not for the people.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: 4runner]
#14335985 - 04/22/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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based on the topic alone i would say "fucked"
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: 4runner]
#14335993 - 04/22/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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there needs to be a 2 term limit in ALL elected government positions. that will get rid of these career politicians that do it for a paycheck, not for the people.
paycheck? lol its more than that. They are egotistical beyond believe and narcissistic .
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: dshow]
#14336009 - 04/22/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean of you want to get a head in life become a politician.
Even in the local county government ya got the good ol boys club.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: 4runner]
#14336023 - 04/22/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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your right. hell just the person who is in charge of the roads in the state of TN makes over 100k. and thats for one of these small counties, not the state. its ridiculous.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: dshow] 1
#14336033 - 04/22/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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See, for me politics is a self regulating mechanism anyways...
If you're actually so narcissistic that you believe you should be in office..... You're not the kind of person I would vote for.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Azure Essence]
#14337363 - 04/23/11 07:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Azure Essence said: See, for me politics is a self regulating mechanism anyways...
If you're actually so narcissistic that you believe you should be in office..... You're not the kind of person I would vote for.
totally. it makes me crack up to see the hubris with which politicians operate within. these folks seem to be the best representation of megalomaniacs we have in our culture.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: gerryjarcia] 1
#14337430 - 04/23/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's like the mob.
They tell you what to do and if you don't listen they stick guns in your face and steal your shit/your freedom.
Everyone is deluded into thinking they are participants in some system. They are merely a party to their own enslavement.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: skatealex2]
#14337480 - 04/23/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: until government changes weed laws i have very little respect for them , not cause i think its the most important issue but even the other way around. 60 years on they keep the fail war going 
All this cynicism and allegations of 'theater' being posted is obviously well-deserved, but I think it should be noted that once you get to the smaller micro-political systems and look close you can see some tangible differences in policy approaches and political ideology, particularly the state and local levels. Even to the points of elections having three or more viable candidates instead of the faux 'left/right' disctinction in mass-market political theater.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Yacub]
#14337517 - 04/23/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yacub said: I assume bad faith all around with "our" government
If you assume premeditated dishonesty from both major parties and that they are both on the same team and that any disagreement is merely play acting for the masses, then a lot of things that can't be explained start to make sense.
The same could be said of assuming universal human stupidity, in gov't and outside.
People try to do what they think is right and will benefit everyone, but they're idiots so it blows up in their faces.
For example, I think Bush really thought that invading Iraq would be an easy process and end in democratic and friendly state.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
#14337537 - 04/23/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kid_Orgo said:
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Yacub said: I assume bad faith all around with "our" government
If you assume premeditated dishonesty from both major parties and that they are both on the same team and that any disagreement is merely play acting for the masses, then a lot of things that can't be explained start to make sense.
The same could be said of assuming universal human stupidity, in gov't and outside.
People try to do what they think is right and will benefit everyone, but they're idiots so it blows up in their faces.
For example, I think Bush really thought that invading Iraq would be an easy process and end in democratic and friendly state.
To be honest I do not think thats the case. I do believe these people have an agenda. What is it? Dont know. But they all cannot simply just be "dumb"
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14337610 - 04/23/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Democrats are pussies. Republicans are assholes.
'Twas ever thus.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14337787 - 04/23/11 10:52 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why is there such a media propaganda to try to convince the american people that Libya is not U.S. in charge of it's operations and invasion? To show that the national debt shouldn't be a part of this? The arms dealers and NATO? And yes, there are many arms dealears/corporations in the U.S. as well making huge profits from this and the 11 year wars.
Oil, resources, and "defense spending". Fuck it, it's going to fall sooner or later.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14337817 - 04/23/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm pretty pissed off with the government at the moment. I just found out that with my new job, the federal government is taking 25% of my pay.. not to mention another 5% taken by my state.. holy shit! I only get to see $70 out of ever very $100 I earn? seriously? what the fuck! I can't wait to marry my girlfriend and go back to 15% for federal income tax.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: BoneMan]
#14337861 - 04/23/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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america's form of politics is polarizing. the way we frame democracy in the form of opposite political ideaologies. the police seem to think they have more power all the time. nothing is getting done politically. our form of democracy and capitalism is obviously unsustainable and we are running ecology in the ground. the economy is in the shitter. american's are more apathetic and lazy than ever before. america is becoming a wasteland of trash and drugs.
that pretty much sums it up.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Silversoul]
#14337877 - 04/23/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Democrats are pussies. Republicans are assholes.
'Twas ever thus.
They're both pussies and they're both assholes and some day soon they shall get fucked. HARD.
How can you trust something that lies to you all day everyday.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Devlish2]
#14337966 - 04/23/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said:
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Silversoul said: Democrats are pussies. Republicans are assholes.
'Twas ever thus.
They're both pussies and they're both assholes and some day soon they shall get fucked. HARD.
How can you trust something that lies to you all day everyday.
That also controls media outlets for just that purpose.
Its goes on and on.
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#14337975 - 04/23/11 11:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Joseph Goebbels:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
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#14338077 - 04/23/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said: Joseph Goebbels:
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Which is why we all saw how our government reacted to the truths wikileaks brought fourth. Simple facts for all to see yet was damned by our officials with even some demanding death for the founder.
Pretty clear cut here folks.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14338085 - 04/23/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its like wrestling, all an act.
As I just stated in another thread money and thus big business controls our worlds governments.
Watch zeitgeist 3 - it explains everything. That video should be mandatory viewing for all humanity. At least then we could get everyone up to stage 1 - realization of what system we are in. We need that as stage 1 of changing anything on this planet with this current global monetary control system.
At present probably less than 1% of the planet are even aware of the system they exist in and how it operates.
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: nice1]
#14338790 - 04/23/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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So what do we as a people need to do?
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: athedrivein61]
#14338821 - 04/23/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not a lot we can do TBH.
Stop using money as much as possible, def don't join or work for armies. Learn how to forage and survive the old ways - you can opt out basically if you want. Join an eco community and join the zeitgeist movement.
If you have a job and use money then you are in a very small way supporting the system that is raping 3rd world countries. In effect we live well at the expense of the 3rd world starving to death.
Its a tough one thats for sure.
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#14338859 - 04/23/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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We need to strive for a kind of society where we work with nature, not against it. We need some equilibrium. I do not believe human beings are inherently out to destroy everything but in our current state, we are like a virus to this planet.
This man has the right idea. He is so ahead of his time in this video it's truly remarkable.
Also, check out Larry with a full head of black hair. He was really pimpin' in the 70's
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Re: What, in your opinion is our current state of government? [Re: Devlish2]
#14339018 - 04/23/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, its saddening in a way that this was known about and on TV that long ago yet nothing has changed. I spose we have a few more people aware thanks to the internet but the progress has been slow and advancement in the opposite and negative direction has been much faster.
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