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Bodhi of Ankou
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
#14334140 - 04/22/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Reppin501 said: God didnt necessarily "create" evil in the context you're referring to. Satan/Lucifer/Devil rebelled out of jealously against God, he was cast out and punished, which intensified his hatred for God. Because he cant act against God directly, he instead lashes out at God's most adored creation, man. When Eve was convinced to act against God's wishes the battle for mortal souls was on.
There are many conflicting stories when you compare the accounts of lucifer ( The morning star) being cast out of heaven. When the angels were created they were commanded to only worship Yahweh himself, which makes it a laughable that the omnipotent creators commands would go unheeded and one of his creations would grow to despise him. In the Qu'ran the arch-angel Satan is cast out because he had a infinite eternal love for God and adored him so intensely and would not bow down to anything else and it was when God created man and demanded the angels to also worship them Lucifer refused because he could not bring himself to bow down to anything inferior to himself since the angels are born of fire and man is made of clay and is is for that that he is cast out of heaven. Not his intense hatred for him, according to the Qu'ran that its.
Im not even sure of what holy text it is that you believe in, are you catholic? jewish perhaps?
EDIT: and what are your reasons for worshipping this God thing.
Edited by Bodhi of Ankou (04/22/11 04:43 PM)
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psilyguy


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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: Reppin501]
#14334228 - 04/22/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To be fair I was basically the one who changed the subject a little bit. Now that i'm more sober and rested I can see that I flawed my argument right off the bat. I created an opening for the discussion of freewill and related topics, when the original argument isn't affected either way. If God made freewill or if he didn't has no bearing on the Omnipotent/Benevolent/Evil argument.
What Epicurus said is enough. If God is Omnipotent and Benevolent than there would be no evil. If God isn't both omnipotent and benevolent than he is either an Evil God, a Nice Guy, or a Nobody.
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pfxtc
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Re: Arguments to destroy a religious person in a debate? [Re: psilyguy]
#14334546 - 04/22/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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arguing with people about religion
is fucking retarded
-------------------- koods said: Young male going by the name "Bassfreak" entered Worcester General complaining of a sharp pain in his buttock region after attending EDM event. Attending physician considered a possible diagnosis of acute rave anus, but upon further investigation it was determined there was nothing cute about patient's anus. Life-long trip report
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