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Good Friday
    #14333511 - 04/22/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So god doesn't want people to eat meat on Good Friday (fish meat, eggs, and stuff like that excepted). OK, I get it.

What I don't get is what happens to people of other faiths who never heard of that shit. Does god get mad at them or smite them or something?

What about animals who god created to be exclusive carnivores. I mean, did god fuck up there or do animals get a freebie? Or do they just not go to heaven. And if so, how do I explain to my little niece that the whole family (well OK, not me) will be in heaven waiting for her when she dies, but not fluffy the kitten?

What if there is some weird alien civilizations out there somewhere made of silicon who never even heard of meat? Do they have to abstain from... uh... what fluorine?

Plus how do they figure out which day is Good Friday considering that their planet's year is probably different from ours.

I ask these questions in all seriousness. Can a True Believer please splain me exactly how the Good Friday thing works? This religion stuff just confuses me more and more every day.

I need help. :yesnod:


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Re: Good Friday [Re: Diploid]
    #14333549 - 04/22/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

iirc, good friday is the day jesus was killed by the easter bunny. then 3 days later, he arose from the grave to feast on the brains of the nonbelievers.

i could be wrong, though. havent been to church in 20+ years.


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Re: Good Friday [Re: automan]
    #14333599 - 04/22/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The Vatican started it, it has nothing to do with religion at all it was a boost for the fishing industry which was suffering at the time, Catholics aren't meant to eat meat on any Friday and the tradition has trickled off into the many christian churches. Yeah but thats the origin of the fish on good Friday tradition

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Re: Good Friday [Re: Diploid]
    #14333684 - 04/22/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dude i don't think the christian god actually "said" not to eat meat on good friday, i think it's something jesus' boys did to honor his death and what his followers continue to do.

so i mean i guess the reason people don't eat meat today is kind of out of respect towards someone they respect?

whatever it is i believe it to be a nice show of decency; i want the people that i have touched in my life to burn a blunt and pour a 40 to my memory if i pass. :confused:

when you look at it in that light, does good friday still seem so idiotic to you?


on a side note, you can tell your neice and your family that death is all around us.  that's an inevitable part of life, and it is required in order for us to survive

tell her that "god" certainly isn't a person like you or i, so there is no worry of being judged; that "god" is just a word used to describe that which we all stem from, and where we all will go again when we die.

tell hear not to fear death but accept it, because to pity the cat who shows no fear of death is a waste of her energy.

tell her to decide what is good and what is bad with her heart, let her know that she should feel whether what she does or thinks is "good" or "bad", because good and bad are subjective opinions that differ from one person to another.


Edited by desert father (04/22/11 02:25 PM)

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Re: Good Friday [Re: Diploid]
    #14333762 - 04/22/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Diploid said:
So god doesn't want people to eat meat on Good Friday (fish meat, eggs, and stuff like that excepted). OK, I get it.

What I don't get is what happens to people of other faiths who never heard of that shit. Does god get mad at them or smite them or something?




That's a good question.

In the Catholic faith, I believe the meat eating/fasting thing is just tradition, I'm pretty sure its not in the bible (except for the old testament stuff that Jesus overruled).  Thus, I'm not sure if its even a sin to ignore it. (then again, the whole sex before marriage and abortion stuff isn't in the bible either, and yet the Catholics say you go to hell for doing that stuff, so who knows).

THis touches on one of the more unfair and stupid parts of the Catholic faith: it's very ethnocentric.  You can tell the writers of the bible and makers of the rules didn't even consider that there were people who didn't live under the reign of religious dictators and who were forced to practice and be indoctrinated, as they were.  Only later did people start to ask those troublesome questions about why some dude in South America, unknown to the writer's of the bible, should go to hell if he lived a moral life without mortal sin but never heard of Jesus?


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What about animals who god created to be exclusive carnivores. I mean, did god fuck up there or do animals get a freebie? Or do they just not go to heaven. And if so, how do I explain to my little niece that the whole family (well OK, not me) will be in heaven waiting for her when she dies, but not fluffy the kitten?




I think the Catholic position is that animals have no soul and hence they have no soul to be judged and go to heaven. I know some catholic thinkers treated animals as having only a 'vegetative soul' which was just a life force but without the 'conscious moral being' that humans had.

I think the answer is that animals don't go to heaven.  The interesting question is what everyone eats in heaven, then?  Do plants go to heaven but not animals?  Seems strange to consider a plant to have more of a soul than an animal, no?  That sounds like a contradiction to me, but if plants don't go to heaven, than what are we eating in heaven?  If god just arbitrarily makes animals and plants in heaven, why wouldn't he just have the life on earth come to heaven?  Seems a waste, as well as inconsiderate to your niece's cat.  (is your family really religious?  I know you said you're Cuban- are they Catholic?)

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What if there is some weird alien civilizations out there somewhere made of silicon who never even heard of meat? Do they have to abstain from... uh... what fluorine?





They're damned anyways if they never heard of Jesus.  Apparently its very important for them to know that Jesus died for their sins.  I'm not really sure why, but I guess if they don't 'know' that, they burn in hell.  OurGod is a loving, just, god :yesnod:

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Plus how do they figure out which day is Good Friday considering that their planet's year is probably different from ours.




Well, I think the whole good friday and the rest of the liturgical calender is just arbitrarily placed anyways, so it probably doesn't matter.  This is, though, another interesting example of how ethnocentric the bible is- strangely, despite being a work of god, it is written not from the perspective of an omniscient being, but from the perspective of the people on earth in the areas and times in which the work just happened to be recorded.  Funny how that works out: despite being god's word, its written from the narrow perspective of the ignorant inhabitants of one particular place and time- must be a coincidence, right?

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