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TV is too fucking weird yall
    #14333704 - 04/22/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tv is weird vibes. If tripping doesn't show you this, then you are weird vibes.

If I'm tripping trying to watch television, it just sounds like a bunch of crazy insect noises speeding up and slowing down. Everthings just one smeary psychedelic painting. After so many times tripping now, tv is just impossible for me to take seriously. There's so many physical things happening (physical matter being recorded with a visual device, sound separately recorded with audio devices, editing the 2 together while adding crazy lights, flashing and sounds to illicit a very specific brain response) that in the end, it's a machine capable of regurgitating the information from the recording devices in a code that says "this tiny pixel this color this shade, that tiny pixel this color this shade" giving you the illusion that sarah palin is on your television screen.

At some point I stopped being able to see Sarah palin on the screen and started picking up on the reality of the device. It's weird. Now I look at neighbors watching tv in their houses with crazy bright lights flashing through their house looking like a war is taking place in their house. They're just sittin on their fattases zombied out letting their brain normalize the stimulation.

Were a weird breed us modern humans.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14333720 - 04/22/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And how convenient that it turns out to be exactly the devices/stimulation that powerful governments discovered to be literally mind-influencing. Even more conveniently, it suddenly becomes an every-household-in-America type thing right after they discover this.

Drugs they prescribe you to undoubtedly potentiate the mind-numbing effects of television.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14333803 - 04/22/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tv is weird vibes. If tripping doesn't show you this, then you are weird vibes.





Right:  if I don't agree with you then this is itself evidence that there's something wrong with me.  Got it :thumbup:



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At some point I stopped being able to see Sarah palin on the screen and started picking up on the reality of the device. It's weird. Now I look at neighbors watching tv in their houses with crazy bright lights flashing through their house looking like a war is taking place in their house. They're just sittin on their fattases zombied out letting their brain normalize the stimulation.

Were a weird breed us modern humans.




I don't know, is this any different than the other things we do for entertainment?  TV tells stories and such- ready made entertainment.



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And how convenient that it turns out to be exactly the devices/stimulation that powerful governments discovered to be literally mind-influencing.




How is that convenient?  What is the convenience you refer to?


What powerful governments are you referring to?  How do you come to the conclusion that they discovered them to be mind influencing?  Seems that television is just another form of media that's been used forever to convey messages- I don't think it had to be discovered, its plain that anything which displays information can be used for such purposes.



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Drugs they prescribe you to undoubtedly potentiate the mind-numbing effects of television.




Who is "they"?  The previous subject was "powerful governments"- is this the "they"?  What grounds do you have to say that powerful governments are prescribing drugs- let alone mind-numbing drugs?

It seems your trying to fashion some rather grand conspiracy here, but you seem to have provided no basis whatsoever for any of your claims.  Is this whole thread just a "what if" stream-of-conciousness?  Is there any merit to any of this- any reason to believe any of it is true?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14333996 - 04/22/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I get your insight to that in my extent.  But still, media has always been a tool for propaganda but at the same time it can be entertaining and fun. 

News and politics will always seem like shit when under psychedelics IMO.  It's easy to see through.  But overall I love electronics and movies/TV.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14334009 - 04/22/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That last question you asked, yeah pretty much is the answer. I think you took it way too seriously. I truly believe though that if a human living out in nature, like a member of an indigenous tribe were to be exposed to a television, I believe they would not be able to make sense of the visual and audio stimulation in a way that seems "real". I feel like it takes a certain mode of brain-functioning to be able to look at these pixels and hear the waves produced by the device (not sarah palins vocal cords anymore, but the tv device) and perceive it as something as normal as watching sarah palin in person. Someone like an indigenous Brazilian native might look at it, and even if it's visual imagery they're familiar with in their language, I don't think it would appear the same way to them as it would to those who have been looking at it since they were babies and hearing it in the womb.

What powerful governments am I referring to? Umm Nazis
,soviets,Chinese,Japanese, US.... If you consider it a powerful government it's likely on the list of governments that were OPENLY (lol uct like this is a conspiracy) doing experiments on mind control. If you were to research these declassified projects you would see that they found television to be a highly effective means of literally influencing the mind. They also found that drugs aid in this effect. What drugs am I referring to? Alprazolam,diazepam, Prozac, zoloft, multiple different gas agents.

I'm not trying to state anything as truth when I say "how convenient that these 2 things(tv and unnecessarily prescribed drugs) have a complete bottom of the chart-top of the chart spike right after these experiments were conducted.

If you really feel the need to criticize my opening sentence and defend yourself, then You need to lighten up johnM.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14334051 - 04/22/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tv is weird vibes. If tripping doesn't show you this, then you are weird vibes.





And you're full of crap. :dumblol:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14334060 - 04/22/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And how convenient that it turns out to be exactly the devices/stimulation that powerful governments discovered to be literally mind-influencing. Even more conveniently, it suddenly becomes an every-household-in-America type thing right after they discover this.

Drugs they prescribe you to undoubtedly potentiate the mind-numbing effects of television.




So where are you getting to with all of this?
Who prescribes drugs to whom?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14334073 - 04/22/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do I really need to tell you? Do you think the overprescribing of citizens with unnecessary medications is rational? Let me guess, it's just capitalism? I'm full of crap eh? I'll pull a johnM on ya

Care to provide reference to your claim? Wait-there is none? Then your full of crap.

You guys know tv is for numb-minded ignorant slaves right? No of course not that's how effective it is!


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14334102 - 04/22/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Care to provide reference to your claim?




It seems that one doesn't need to watch TV to be mind-numbed. What claim did I make? It seems that you're just tweaking out for no particular reason. You don't like being contradicted and challenged? Stop posting here.
You claimed that there's a link between the people who have you watch tv (btw, who the hell are these people?) and the people who precribe meds. This sounds awfully paranoid, and, until you'll be able to show some evidence for your claims, expect more mocking.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14334568 - 04/22/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Do I really need to tell you? Do you think the overprescribing of citizens with unnecessary medications is rational? Let me guess, it's just capitalism? I'm full of crap eh? I'll pull a johnM on ya

Care to provide reference to your claim? Wait-there is none? Then your full of crap.

You guys know tv is for numb-minded ignorant slaves right? No of course not that's how effective it is!




Seriously I get your frustation.  But do you never find enjoyment in a movie or in a computer that you are communicating with people now?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14334591 - 04/22/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with OP.
I don't know much about prescription meds, so I won't comment on that, but I feel like a lot of the media/society is brainwashing you. You could call it a conspiracy, but it's mostly subconscious. A man in a state of nature would see money and to him it would just be paper, but to us it's something elevated, with value placed upon it. The "conspiracy" is only united by their acceptance of modern society's value system. A TV has come to mean something. It's not just the sum of its parts. And they respect that. On TV, you see this value system reflected with all the advertising. People will jump up and down on camera, making themselves into clownish mockeries; and for what? For NEW Triple Bubblemint Double Bubble Gum!

And that's the realization of the Capitalist dream...


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14334875 - 04/22/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Care to provide reference to your claim?




It seems that one doesn't need to watch TV to be mind-numbed. What claim did I make? It seems that you're just tweaking out for no particular reason. You don't like being contradicted and challenged? Stop posting here.
You claimed that there's a link between the people who have you watch tv (btw, who the hell are these people?) and the people who precribe meds. This sounds awfully paranoid, and, until you'll be able to show some evidence for your claims, expect more mocking.





Haha don't like being contradicted??? WTF u talkin bout dude? All you did was say I was full of crap. I guess that's considered challenging someone to someone who watches too much television.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14335271 - 04/22/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That last question you asked, yeah pretty much is the answer. I think you took it way too seriously. I truly believe though that if a human living out in nature, like a member of an indigenous tribe were to be exposed to a television, I believe they would not be able to make sense of the visual and audio stimulation in a way that seems "real". I feel like it takes a certain mode of brain-functioning to be able to look at these pixels and hear the waves produced by the device (not sarah palins vocal cords anymore, but the tv device) and perceive it as something as normal as watching sarah palin in person. Someone like an indigenous Brazilian native might look at it, and even if it's visual imagery they're familiar with in their language, I don't think it would appear the same way to them as it would to those who have been looking at it since they were babies and hearing it in the womb.

What powerful governments am I referring to? Umm Nazis
,soviets,Chinese,Japanese, US.... If you consider it a powerful government it's likely on the list of governments that were OPENLY (lol uct like this is a conspiracy) doing experiments on mind control. If you were to research these declassified projects you would see that they found television to be a highly effective means of literally influencing the mind. They also found that drugs aid in this effect. What drugs am I referring to? Alprazolam,diazepam, Prozac, zoloft, multiple different gas agents.

I'm not trying to state anything as truth when I say "how convenient that these 2 things(tv and unnecessarily prescribed drugs) have a complete bottom of the chart-top of the chart spike right after these experiments were conducted.

If you really feel the need to criticize my opening sentence and defend yourself, then You need to lighten up johnM.





Why do I need to lighten up if I feel the need to criticize your post?  While I don't know what you mean by 'need', as you don't explain, I surely felt a desire to criticize your post in the manner I did- how does that suggest I need to lighten up?  I responded to exactly what you said.  It would seem to me that if your post isn't expressing what you wanted it to say upon analysis that the fault lies in the author rather than the reader.  Given this is a philosophy forum, I don't think it's unreasonable to presume people intend to express what they write.

As to the drugs and television, while I'm sure they can both change your mind, you suggested a common source and use.  How do the historical examples of research that you mention establish any commonality in the producers/administers of drugs and television?  I'm sure the US government has researched chainsaws at one time too, that doesn't mean drugs and chainsaws are some conspiracy of common design.



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You guys are missing the point, who said anything about media?????




If you'll look at my post, I think it can be pretty plainly shown that I did: I compared television with other media and noted the similarity seems to cut against the presumption that TV is a particularly novel agent in use or effect and that the propoganda efforts used in TV are far preceding the later in origin.

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Yes medias been around and corrupt as long as language has durrrrrh. But television is a physical device capable of altering your brain waves. End if story. Think I'm full of shit??




What does "altering your brain waves" have to do with anything?  I'm sure a monkey screaming alters your brain waves too: so what?  I don't see what this has to do with anything.


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I know how much you demand someone elses word over the human your speaking to johnM so I saved myself the hassle by just posting those now.





No, it is not someone else's word I value, it is argument and fact.  The problem usually encountered is that individuals allege conclusions and offer no justification showing the truth of the conclusion, or premise an argument on dubiou facts that they don't bother to establish as correct.  It isn't that others are worth more than an anonymous internet poster: its that reliable sources generally have some intellectual integrity and don't go around making conclusory claims.

In any case, I'm not sure to what end this "altering brain waves" point was offered for, and I can't identify any relevance, so your sources supporting such seem unnecessary to review.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: timelapses]
    #14335276 - 04/22/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Seriously I get your frustation.  But do you never find enjoyment in a movie or in a computer that you are communicating with people now?






Not exactly, I feel like there were some movies that are an appropriate representation of life. One movie I can think of as an example is the sound of music. It has meaning and relevance in a grand sense. Meaning it's not just relevant like two and a half men can be argued as "relevant". It's relevant on a major, this is a beautiful synonym of life in the form of cinematic theater. No weird lights and circles and noises, good sound and an overall important message. The game of poker comes to mind, as I always am finding relevance with things in life, and situations with poker. Poker truly is like the struggle of life in a symbolic way and for that I have a high amount of appreciation for the game. When movies make me feel the way poker does like, "oh yeah here's another thing that is a micro/macrocosm of life" I can appreciate it. However, this is almost an entirely different topic than my original post. This is touching more on the "subject matter" that fills most tv nowadays as just being useless sitcoms as opposed to quality "subject matter". This is a totally different conversation but as far as it goes, I definitely feel as though western cinema/television has become too prolific for it's own good. That's actually a gross understatement. They're just constantly thrown another yahoo on a stupid plotted show/movie desperately trying to be original. It's like blues music. There's a certain limitation on new material you can write under the category of "blues" until your just jamming on the ole blues again. If tv is the blues, theyve ran out of new songs but they suck at jamming and keep writing stupid shit only because it's original. With the hundreds of thousands of films in the archive now, along with 100s of channels broadcasting tv 24/7, you really think everything is as special/important as a film like sound of music? Lol if you think that movies lame you probably think I'm a tool for saying that but I do t give a shit. Y'all just jealous cause I got class! Lol

But that's all just on the topic of "subject matter". That's where media and all that shit comes in. All I was really originally trying to say was, it's proven that tv has an imminent effect on your brain waves. Ordinary western folk, with our brain filters fully clogged as they are required to be in the rat race listening to tim McGraw, we dont notice this change when we watch tv. I was pointing out that this change is noticeable to me when I'm tripping. And I was posting it in a half-assed tone because it's something I didn't expect people like johnM to get all technical about so I didn't word it originally the way I would have had I had been intending on turning it in as an official statement under oath, which is what johnM was acting like.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14336136 - 04/22/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14336192 - 04/22/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I'm kinda bein forced to huh?

I just wanted to tell yall how crazy tv seems when I'm tripping. Yall foos be tryin to hate on a nig.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14337074 - 04/23/11 04:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Haha don't like being contradicted??? WTF u talkin bout dude? All you did was say I was full of crap.




Actually it's not the only thing I have said. I have also asked:

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So where are you getting to with all of this?
Who prescribes drugs to whom?




And:

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You claimed that there's a link between the people who have you watch tv (btw, who the hell are these people?) and the people who precribe meds. This sounds awfully paranoid, and, until you'll be able to show some evidence for your claims, expect more mocking.




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I guess that's considered challenging someone to someone who watches too much television.




Then you're arguing with ghosts, because I haven't been watching any TV in around six years. This doesn't stop me from seeing your paranoid ideas about TV and "people who prescribe you meds".


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14337602 - 04/23/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Watching TV can entrain the human brain into the alpha brain wave frequency that is the most ideal for hypnotism within 30 seconds. That and the fact that the scheduling of TV shows is called "programing" is most certainly wild coincidence.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14337631 - 04/23/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"They're just constantly thrown another yahoo on a stupid plotted show/movie desperately trying to be original. It's like blues music. There's a certain limitation on new material you can write under the category of "blues" until your just jamming on the ole blues again. If tv is the blues, theyve ran out of new songs but they suck at jamming and keep writing stupid shit only because it's original."



I like your insight into that and of course psychedelics open up understanding such as your experience.  So few that are open to that in society, and reading experiences such as this on the shroomery is enjoyable to me.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14337702 - 04/23/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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johnm214 Said:I'm sure the US government has researched chainsaws at one time too, that doesn't mean drugs and chainsaws are some conspiracy of common design.




:lol:It would be hilarious and scary if they both were.

Source for the government mandated chainsaw research?



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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: numonkei]
    #14337792 - 04/23/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i tried to watch tv yesterday on shrooms to see if it calmed me down when i was having a half bad trip yesterday. it just drove me insane because it made me think of how people just sit there and watch tv and get sucked into it, i felt like i was trapped in a box :confused:

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: elliev]
    #14337911 - 04/23/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14337927 - 04/23/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir, but unless you can provide evidence to this claim, your full of feces
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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14337939 - 04/23/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I smoke cannabis and it does not alter my brain waves. These "people" you mentioned can believe whatever they want about it. There's no "evidence to their claims" so just go ahead and ignore them. They watch too much tv anyways.


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    #14337964 - 04/23/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir, but unless you can provide evidence to this claim, your full of feces
Seriously, that's a terrible analogy.




Evidence for what? Are you even aware of the imbecility of your posts?


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    #14337984 - 04/23/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And while you're posting, why not answer my questions already?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14337993 - 04/23/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lol my statements were as concrete and verifiable as your post. You insisted I verify mine so I was showing you the level of imbecility you were operating under. It's funny you noticed it when it was in regards to your post.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338003 - 04/23/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The informations out there, my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything. Its just conversation, like your comment "You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?".

Cmon dude, where's the proof? If there's no proof you can't say it. Or you're full of shit. Under your logic.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338005 - 04/23/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Smoking doesn't alter your brain? You sure about that buddy?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14338009 - 04/23/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I said waves. And yes I'm sure. Chemistry? Yes. Waves? No.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder] * 1
    #14338013 - 04/23/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything




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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338019 - 04/23/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I said waves idiot. And yes I'm sure. Chemistry? Yes. Waves? No.




So it's cool if something alters your brain chemistry, but not your brain waves?

Also, altering brain chemistry will inherently alter brain waves.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder] * 1
    #14338020 - 04/23/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The informations out there, my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything. Its just conversation, like your comment "You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?".

Cmon dude, where's the proof? If there's no proof you can't say it. Or you're full of shit. Under your logic.




Again, evidence for what? For a question?
Is it sunny out? Do you have any evidence for this question?
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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338028 - 04/23/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Waves? No.




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    #14338034 - 04/23/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder said:
Waves? No.




:rofl2:

:rofl2:




Hold on now buddy, maybe he's only talking about the lack of his brain waves. Give the dude a chance to explain himself.


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    #14338069 - 04/23/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

That's not it man, it was that this wasn't really a matter of debate. I mean if someone says "I fucking hate listening to the beatles when IM tripping. Paul sounds weird. If you dont hear it, than your an alien". Would you start demanding evidence? He can debate all he wNts and say he has a efferent opinion. Show me where I have spoken against anothers opinion and your post has merit. Otherwise you're confused because I haven't bashed any kind of "debate".
Just tried to express my opinion which I didnt expect people to regard as "verifiable facts".

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338079 - 04/23/11 11:59 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:wtf:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14338088 - 04/23/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

LightShedder said:
The informations out there, my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything. Its just conversation, like your comment "You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?".

Cmon dude, where's the proof? If there's no proof you can't say it. Or you're full of shit. Under your logic.




Again, evidence for what? For a question?
Is it sunny out? Do you have any evidence for this question?
:kingtard:





Hahaha. Here's an appropriate analogy, "you mean like when pigs fly?"

Response: can you verify that pigs fly?

Your response: all I did was ask a question.

Nice logic again there. As long as your admitting that the circumstance you included with your question (people feeling bad when they think someone is "sucked into drugs"?????) is utterly baseless. I laughed real had when I retyped that.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338094 - 04/23/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ok now people are spouting out lies they either need to prove or I'll correct them.

Show me how smoking cannabis directly alters your brainwaves? I've shown how tv does. These claims are verifiable. Let's see proof.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338103 - 04/23/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Apparently mushroomtrip doesn't understand the difference between brain waves and brain chemistry. They don't teach you about that on WGN.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338114 - 04/23/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I smoke cannabis and it does not alter my brain waves.

Of course it alters your brainwaves. How else would you get stoned (or alter ANY aspect of consciousness) without altering your brainwaves?

I said waves. And yes I'm sure. Chemistry? Yes. Waves? No.

Are you aware that brainwaves are CREATED by chemical reactions in your brain? Without chemical reactions, there would be no brainwaves at all. The cessation of chemical reactions is what causes brain death.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338163 - 04/23/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not it man, it was that this wasn't really a matter of debate. I mean if someone says "I fucking hate listening to the beatles when IM tripping. Paul sounds weird. If you dont hear it, than your an alien". Would you start demanding evidence? He can debate all he wNts and say he has a efferent opinion. Show me where I have spoken against anothers opinion and your post has merit. Otherwise you're confused because I haven't bashed any kind of "debate".
Just tried to express my opinion which I didnt expect people to regard as "verifiable facts".

I guess y'all thought this was C-SPAN. Not surprised.




First of all, read the fucking description of the forum. It is meant for debate that can be backed with evidence, not for spouting opinions. Why don't you go post in OTD?

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338522 - 04/23/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

On your side man, let the mockers mock.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: timelapses]
    #14338867 - 04/23/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.




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    #14339365 - 04/23/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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On your side man, let the mockers mock.




Ya man, drugs don't alter your brain at all.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14339696 - 04/23/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir...


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14339947 - 04/23/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir, but unless you can provide evidence to this claim, your full of feces
Seriously, that's a terrible analogy.




MT used that statement to demonstrate the comparative flaw in the statement in which she was responding to.

I thought, it quite effective too.

Edit:

On a side note, completely without any assertion other than my own personal preference, I find the telly to be weird too, even when completely sober.


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    #14340239 - 04/23/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.







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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14340829 - 04/23/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Show me how smoking cannabis directly alters your brainwaves?

Here ya go, direct from the MAPS web, one of the definitive sources of unbiased information on psychedelic drugs. Plus, Google is your friend. It's not hard to find hundreds of thousands of such studies if you bother to search.

Effects of Marijuana on the EEG: A Review and Prospectus

Lukas, Mendelson, and Benedikt (1995) had six subjects report changes in their subjective mood state while EEG was recorded. During episodes of intense good effects or euphoria, significantly increases in alpha wave power were observed. Lukas, Mendelson, Amass and Benedikt (1981) also observed increases in alpha with acute administration of cannabis...

Volavka et al. (1973) observed an increase in alpha wave amplitude, and a decrease in mean alpha wave frequency when marijuana was smoked by 14 male subjects. Roth et al. (1974) observed an increase in alpha wave and a decrease in several components of the auditory evoked response in the EEG during the first several minutes after marijuana inhalation...

Struve et al (1994) observed "a significant association
between increased absolute and relative power and interhemispheric
coherence of EEG alpha wave activity over the bilateral frontal-central cortex ("alpha hyperfrontality") in daily marihuana users as contrasted with nonusers." In a group of users who had smoked marijuana daily for 15 to 24 years, an increased absolute power of theta activity over bilateral frontal-central cortex was observed, as well as significantly increased interhemispheric coherence of theta wave activity across central and posterior regions of the brain (Struve et al., 1998).


There's lots more. Read the entire study on the MAPS web here:

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14340844 - 04/23/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mature discussion. I see.

Lol there has to be evidence to back the claims in this forum?????? Hahaha obviously you haventread any of the thread titles

"free will is real true or false"

"god exists. True or false"

"you are even though you don't think you are. Discuss"

why do I even respond to such an OBVIOUSLY dumb statement like yours? Because it's funny how dumb you are. And no drugs effect your brain chemistry which later effects your brain waves, just liketurning on or off the lights technically has an end result on your brain waves. If you do t believe this, look it up in the references I provided, but tv directly alters your brain waves. Simple. Take it and do what you want with it.

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    #14340922 - 04/23/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LightShedder, if your argument is so weak that you have to resort to childish name calling instead of debating the merits of your position, there's probably something wrong with your argument.

And name calling is against the rules. Take that to the OTD forum where the children there debate by insulting each other. Here, the adults find that boring. That's why it's against the rules.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Diploid]
    #14340950 - 04/23/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder, if your argument is so weak that you have to resort to childish name calling instead of debating the merits of your position, there's probably something wrong with your argument.

And name calling is against the rules. Take that to the OTD forum where the children there debate by insulting each other. Here, the adults find that boring. That's why it's against the rules.

Take some time off to think about it.





Quote:

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.







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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: yeah]
    #14340998 - 04/23/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Attacking someone's argument, idea, philosophy, or line of reasoning is allowed and encouraged. Attacking the person you're debating with is not.

Have you read the forum rules? It doesn't appear you have. They are sticky at the top of the post list. Read them.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Diploid]
    #14341034 - 04/23/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I actually agree with you, LightShedder. Whenever I am in a situation where I'm watching TV, all I can do is think about things I'd rather be doing.


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    #14341226 - 04/23/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see that he was called stupid before responding with lighten up whinos?

Sounds like an abuse of power IMO.

Dangerous water you're treadin in, not agreeing with a mods philosophy in the philosophy forum.


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    #14341236 - 04/23/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fwiw, I don't mind television. I prefer art but I view tv as a form of art. Just to post something relevant to the original topic...


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14341248 - 04/23/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

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    #14341315 - 04/23/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I smoke cannabis and it does not alter my brain waves. These "people" you mentioned can believe whatever they want about it. There's no "evidence to their claims" so just go ahead and ignore them. They watch too much tv anyways.





oops, guess not:

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Data are reported for visual and somatosensory evoked responses recorded from frontal, central and occipital scalp 4 h after drug administration. For each response recorded under drug and placebo conditions amplitudes and latencies of consistently identifiable wave components were calculated and analyzed.

No consistent evoked response differences were found between the frequent and occasional user groups. The most prominent finding was the consistency with which Δ9-THC slowed the latency of evoked response waves while producing relatively little change in amplitude. In contrast, most drugs have been found to exert their main effects on evoked response amplitude with only slight alterations of latency. It was thus hypothesized that Δ9-THC acts to increase the threshold of cortical and subcortical neurons or neural networks involved in producing the evoked response rather than to selectively inhibit brain-stem centers.



Abstract
The effects of varying doses of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol on the human visual and somatosensory evoked response
Electroencephalography and Clinical Neurophysiology
Volume 35, Issue 4, October 1973, Pages 347-354



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I guess that's considered challenging someone to someone who watches too much television.




Then you're arguing with ghosts, because I haven't been watching any TV in around six years. This doesn't stop me from seeing your paranoid ideas about TV and "people who prescribe you meds".





lol, interesting.  I also don't have a television in my house and very rarely watch any.

I guess maybe our opinion isn't because we "watch too much television" after all.  Wow- someone having an opinion that is arrived at through logical thought rather than confirming what's in their self-interest to believe.  Who would've thought we'd ever see something like that in a the philosophy forum!


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    #14341492 - 04/24/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

Just curious.




And "winos" are people to be put down and demeaned.  Why put time into this?:learyharvard:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14342146 - 04/24/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything




Ya, how dare he assume you wanted to debate in the debate forum?





Yeah, I guess I deserve what I get for making that assumption.  Surely nobody posting in the philosophy forum wants to discuss the philosophical justifications of their idea. 

I like this "I wasn't trying to prove anything" disclaimer.  What does that have to do with anything?  The forum is for philosophical debate and it seems folks here are concerned with the ideas, not someone's intentions to prove or not prove something.  If someone says something I think I'd be pretty arrogant on my part to do as Lightshredder suggests and just assume they don't really mean what they say- as if they're too slow to actually post what they mean.

How could someone's intentions in posting be relevant to the merits of their idea at all?- unless the person's ego was bruised by the failing of their idea and is trying to backtrack by claiming "well, I didn't mean that after all".  This seems somewhat egotistical, dishonest, and not too helpful.





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johnm214 Said:I'm sure the US government has researched chainsaws at one time too, that doesn't mean drugs and chainsaws are some conspiracy of common design.




:lol:It would be hilarious and scary if they both were.

Source for the government mandated chainsaw research?



~Monk





Surely if the US had researched chainsaws, that would mean they intended to use them with drugs in some infernal conspiracy- just like lightshredder's expose of the drugs-TV plot premised on the fact that the US has both researched drugs and used TV to communicate with the public.

OMG, wait, here's some chilling evidence of the US's secret chainsaw research.  Apparently they claim to be investigating chainsaw-harvested trees and their effect on arthropod biodiversity.  Obviously by "arthropod" they can only mean.... JEWS!
http://www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/19092

Oh dear lord, they even have ready-made manuals for US agencies that need to order chainsaws from the government- clearly this ties in with their research of drugs and the use of TV for public service announcements.

http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/fas/WildlandFire2011Catalog.pdf

Oh the humanity!

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Ordinary western folk, with our brain filters fully clogged as they are required to be in the rat race listening to tim McGraw, we dont notice this change when we watch tv.





Don't we?  What does being "western" have to do with anything?  Seems like you might have some prejudices interfering with your worldviews there.

I really don't see the big deal with brainwaves anyways- seems an arbitrary criteria- like you just read something in a magazine about some study showing TV changes brainwaves and have jumped to all these conclusions about the government and westerners... and apparently get nervous if other don't immediately agree.

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I was pointing out that this change is noticeable to me when I'm tripping. And I was posting it in a half-assed tone because it's something I didn't expect people like johnM to get all technical about so I didn't word it originally the way I would have had I had been intending on turning it in as an official statement under oath, which is what johnM was acting like.





Honestly I don't get this attitude.

I've heard others say this as well, so you're not alone, but I never understood these feelings to be anything more than equivocations mixed with some resentment that you were disagreed with/potentially shown to be in error.


Really, I don't see making a post that expresses my thoughts as too difficult.  When I get my ideas shot down, its almost always because I'm just wrong, or there's a broken link somewhere in the logic I used that I didn't catch, not because I failed to communicate effectively.  Is it really that hard to post what you mean?

Either way, if you are actually claiming there's a real, supportable, credible idea that I just didn't "interpret" correctly, along with everyone else apparently, why don't you just say what it is rather than complaining about my reading of your post over and over?  That you haven't even pointed out what you "really meant to say", makes me wonder whether this is even an honest argument- whether there really is another interpretation that you intended or whether your just upset and equivocating now that your idea was criticized but don't want to own your mistake and so have equivocated.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14342170 - 04/24/11 04:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just saw someone call a dude a cunt in another p,s and p thread.

I'm stickin with abuse of power on that ban.

Disappointing for a drug community to have police-style mods.

Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb
Op calls mod dumb
Mod bans op

Who just so happened to disagree with him. I see the same infraction yet a decision on the part of the mod to only ban the person who disagrees with him. Or wait can you call "people" dumb, just not "mods". Please clarify.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342176 - 04/24/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u cant call any1 dumb...

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342180 - 04/24/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I just saw someone call a dude a cunt in another p,s and p thread.

I'm stickin with abuse of power on that ban.

Disappointing for a drug community to have police-style mods.




I'm sorry, but how is what someone called someone in another thread relevant? 

a) that someone called someone something doesn't mean it was sanctioned by the moderator
b) that you see someone violate the rules does not mean the rules are not enforced

Have you reported the incident?  You don't even state where it is.

How is the existence of some other violation of the rules relevant? 


Further, you just asked why Diploid didn't consider MushroomTrip's statement a violation of the rules.  You have not yet received an answer, and yet you've already jumped to concluding not only that Diploid doesn't have an answer, but that it is an example of an abuse of power and indicative of him being "police-style"? (whatever that means)



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Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb
Op calls mod dumb
Mod bans op




"Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb"
  You have concluded this but it does not seem to be the case as I detail below.  Even if it was, how do you justify concluding that Diploid or the website is poorly moderated because of the existence of one error?  I don't think there was an error, and I think it was perfectly correct, but even if there was a mistake you would seem out of line.  Personally, I think Diploid is one of the best moderators on this site, and I think its ridiculous for you to be making these accusations given how well this forum is ran and how neutrally the rules are enforced.

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Who just so happened to disagree with him. I see the same infraction yet a decision on the part of the mod to only ban the person who disagrees with him. Or wait can you call "people" dumb, just not "mods". Please clarify.




You've alleged in a conclusory fashion that MushroomTrip called LightShredder dumb.  You have not explained how you arrive at that conclusion.  Before you go demanding people explain this situation you need to establish your premise as accurate.  For reasons provided below, i don't think it is.



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Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

Just curious.




Diploid runs this forum, and I don't speak for him, but based on the rules:



Mushroom Trip's altered statements was:

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.




While I don't know if that's even a proper sentence, and hence it might be somewhat difficult to use grammer to deconstruct it, it seems to me that the term 'stupid' is descriptive of 'side'.  The sentence refers to a "side" as the"stupid side".

As such, in the post, the side is the thing with is criticized.  As the "side" refers to one position on a disputed subject, rather than a person who uses this message board, it is not, per se, in violation of the rules to criticize it.  As you mention, the original statement had the user's name in place of the word 'stupid', but even in this construction the user's name is descriptive of one 'side'- making it even more clear that the altered sentence could not be criticizing a user, because the user is not the term being modified.

Had MushroomTrip instead altered the sentence to say "I'm with stupid, let the mockers mock" then I would imagine Diploid would have taken it differently- as in that case, stupid is clearly referring to the user rather than the user's "side" or "position".

This isn't "official", for that you'll have to get Diploid's position, but that's how I look at it, and I have to agree with Diploid in not considering the post to be in violation of the rules as it was written.  Some people have trouble with the distinction, but it seems pretty clear to me, even if this case is somewhat closer than usual.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14342189 - 04/24/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, re-examine the prior posts. Someone said to lightshredder "I'm on YOUR side."

He said "I'm on STUPID side".

It's not really my business so I'm not tryin to argue but it does look a little sketchy.

This is way off topic, my apologies.


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    #14342193 - 04/24/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342194 - 04/24/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can't just evaluate the sentence by itself, as it was clearly in response to the post worded exactly like it, where "your" (referring to op) was replaced with "stupid" (obviously referring to op)

I can honestly say I would interpret it that way.


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    #14342195 - 04/24/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Me? Seriously? Is posting off topic or questioning the decision of a mod against the rules?


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    #14342199 - 04/24/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its clearly a bannable offense.

consider this your final warning. read the Rulez


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: quinn]
    #14342213 - 04/24/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time as the rules state will occur. It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator. I think I'll complain to a more decent one.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342252 - 04/24/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time as the rules state will occur. It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator. I think I'll complain to a more decent one.





Hey, Owsley2.0:

Diploid isn't online right now, so your not going to be getting any answers from him now.  For now, please don't continue repeating your arguments on this issue and if you wish to post in this thread, please restrict the discussion to the thread's topic of discussion. 

If Diploid feels like commenting you can see what he says or send him a PM, but unless he indicates he's cool with further off topic discussion, please cool it for now.

If you wave a problem with the way the site's ran or wish to dispute any disciplinary action you should generally speak with the moderator directly and attempt to work out any issue and if that fails you may contact the site administration via a support ticket and tell them your (stupid) side of the story.

If you want to whip up a mob the website feedback forum is always available but isn't for disputing disciplinary action.

Basically, chillout- Diploid's not coming back online any faster by posting more.

P.S.  Generally moderators have discression as to disciplinary action, and I'm unaware of any provision promising a warning prior to banning, including in this forum's rules.  Either way, I would remind you that disciplinary notices are sent only to the member concerned and can only be seen by other staff- hence it is unlikely you'd have any idea whether the individual in question was banned, warned, or stockaded previously.


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    #14343800 - 04/24/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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P.S.  Generally moderators have discression as to disciplinary action, and I'm unaware of any provision promising a warning prior to banning, including in this forum's rules.  Either way, I would remind you that disciplinary notices are sent only to the member concerned and can only be seen by other staff- hence it is unlikely you'd have any idea whether the individual in question was banned, warned, or stockaded previously.





Oops, never mind, I guess you probably would know exactly what notices LightShedder had previously received, now wouldn't you?

Using a puppet to argue this position is pretty stupid, man.

And, yeah, this time there can be no doubt who or what "stupid" refers to.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14343942 - 04/24/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time

Another know-it-all critiquing what he has no clue about.

The OP has two prior warning in his record, otherwise he would have been warned this time.

It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator.

Enforcing the rules as codified in the the rules sticky is abuse?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you refusing to read the rules deliberately so you can derail the thread and whine about a non-issue?

Calling someone's argument (someone's side) stupid is not only ALLOWED but ENCOURAGED by the rules. This works because in philosophy is it common to argue a position one doesn't believe to see if it stands scrutiny or as an academic exercise. This is why calling your argument stupid is not the same as calling YOU stupid. You are not your argument.

And this is why it's expressly allowed by the rules.

By the way, creating a puppet account as you've done to whine about your ban is itself a permaban-worthy offense. Good thing for you I'm not an abusive mod or you'd be out of here for good.

Now let's get back on topic. This thread has been derailed enough. If you have anything else to say, do it in PM.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14347330 - 04/25/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And no drugs effect your brain chemistry which later effects your brain waves, just liketurning on or off the lights technically has an end result on your brain waves. If you do t believe this, look it up in the references I provided, but tv directly alters your brain waves. Simple. Take it and do what you want with it.




:rofl2:

Maybe if you weren't already convinced that television is some evil manifestation, you'd realize that you're making up nonsensical distinctions that don't even exist. :smirk:

What's the difference between how flicking off a light switch "technically has an end result on brain waves" and how TV "directly alters your brain waves"?
There isn't one. The way the sensory information the eyes take in, in both circumstances, is processed by the brain, in effect, alters the brain waves. Same exact mechanism, slightly different results, as the sensory information is different.

Wow. :wow:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14349208 - 04/25/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus, I think some of you guys have been watching too much Law and Order or something. Re-fucking-lax!
In regards to the original post, yea, TV is pretty damn weird. The weirdest part is that it seemed so normal as a kid. 30-minute fun time cut with cereal and squirt-gun ads is pretty weird, but it was a fact of life.
And no, there probably isn't a big gov't conspiracy about using tv to brain-wash the masses, but that's the scary thing. They don't need a conspiracy. All it takes to get your opinion out to a lot of people, whether 'you' is Congress, a movie director, Proctor & Gamble, etc, is to package it on to the television medium and make it entertaining or interesting enough to keep peoples' asses glued to the seat. Same idea with newspapers, magazines, billboards, etc. 
And TV happens to be one of the most popular information mediums, so that is what most people using their power to influence others turn to. And if you're just Joe Schmoe, there are plenty of forums on the inter-web where someone will give you their attention, ha!
Sorry I didn't get into the argument, I just wanted to talk about TV being weird.


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