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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14341492 - 04/24/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

Just curious.




And "winos" are people to be put down and demeaned.  Why put time into this?:learyharvard:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14342146 - 04/24/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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my objective with this thread was not to try and prove anything




Ya, how dare he assume you wanted to debate in the debate forum?





Yeah, I guess I deserve what I get for making that assumption.  Surely nobody posting in the philosophy forum wants to discuss the philosophical justifications of their idea. 

I like this "I wasn't trying to prove anything" disclaimer.  What does that have to do with anything?  The forum is for philosophical debate and it seems folks here are concerned with the ideas, not someone's intentions to prove or not prove something.  If someone says something I think I'd be pretty arrogant on my part to do as Lightshredder suggests and just assume they don't really mean what they say- as if they're too slow to actually post what they mean.

How could someone's intentions in posting be relevant to the merits of their idea at all?- unless the person's ego was bruised by the failing of their idea and is trying to backtrack by claiming "well, I didn't mean that after all".  This seems somewhat egotistical, dishonest, and not too helpful.





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johnm214 Said:I'm sure the US government has researched chainsaws at one time too, that doesn't mean drugs and chainsaws are some conspiracy of common design.




:lol:It would be hilarious and scary if they both were.

Source for the government mandated chainsaw research?



~Monk





Surely if the US had researched chainsaws, that would mean they intended to use them with drugs in some infernal conspiracy- just like lightshredder's expose of the drugs-TV plot premised on the fact that the US has both researched drugs and used TV to communicate with the public.

OMG, wait, here's some chilling evidence of the US's secret chainsaw research.  Apparently they claim to be investigating chainsaw-harvested trees and their effect on arthropod biodiversity.  Obviously by "arthropod" they can only mean.... JEWS!
http://www.treesearch.fs.fed.us/pubs/19092

Oh dear lord, they even have ready-made manuals for US agencies that need to order chainsaws from the government- clearly this ties in with their research of drugs and the use of TV for public service announcements.

http://www.gsa.gov/graphics/fas/WildlandFire2011Catalog.pdf

Oh the humanity!

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Ordinary western folk, with our brain filters fully clogged as they are required to be in the rat race listening to tim McGraw, we dont notice this change when we watch tv.





Don't we?  What does being "western" have to do with anything?  Seems like you might have some prejudices interfering with your worldviews there.

I really don't see the big deal with brainwaves anyways- seems an arbitrary criteria- like you just read something in a magazine about some study showing TV changes brainwaves and have jumped to all these conclusions about the government and westerners... and apparently get nervous if other don't immediately agree.

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I was pointing out that this change is noticeable to me when I'm tripping. And I was posting it in a half-assed tone because it's something I didn't expect people like johnM to get all technical about so I didn't word it originally the way I would have had I had been intending on turning it in as an official statement under oath, which is what johnM was acting like.





Honestly I don't get this attitude.

I've heard others say this as well, so you're not alone, but I never understood these feelings to be anything more than equivocations mixed with some resentment that you were disagreed with/potentially shown to be in error.


Really, I don't see making a post that expresses my thoughts as too difficult.  When I get my ideas shot down, its almost always because I'm just wrong, or there's a broken link somewhere in the logic I used that I didn't catch, not because I failed to communicate effectively.  Is it really that hard to post what you mean?

Either way, if you are actually claiming there's a real, supportable, credible idea that I just didn't "interpret" correctly, along with everyone else apparently, why don't you just say what it is rather than complaining about my reading of your post over and over?  That you haven't even pointed out what you "really meant to say", makes me wonder whether this is even an honest argument- whether there really is another interpretation that you intended or whether your just upset and equivocating now that your idea was criticized but don't want to own your mistake and so have equivocated.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14342170 - 04/24/11 04:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just saw someone call a dude a cunt in another p,s and p thread.

I'm stickin with abuse of power on that ban.

Disappointing for a drug community to have police-style mods.

Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb
Op calls mod dumb
Mod bans op

Who just so happened to disagree with him. I see the same infraction yet a decision on the part of the mod to only ban the person who disagrees with him. Or wait can you call "people" dumb, just not "mods". Please clarify.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342176 - 04/24/11 04:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

u cant call any1 dumb...

unless u back it up with evidence :ohwell:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342180 - 04/24/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I just saw someone call a dude a cunt in another p,s and p thread.

I'm stickin with abuse of power on that ban.

Disappointing for a drug community to have police-style mods.




I'm sorry, but how is what someone called someone in another thread relevant? 

a) that someone called someone something doesn't mean it was sanctioned by the moderator
b) that you see someone violate the rules does not mean the rules are not enforced

Have you reported the incident?  You don't even state where it is.

How is the existence of some other violation of the rules relevant? 


Further, you just asked why Diploid didn't consider MushroomTrip's statement a violation of the rules.  You have not yet received an answer, and yet you've already jumped to concluding not only that Diploid doesn't have an answer, but that it is an example of an abuse of power and indicative of him being "police-style"? (whatever that means)



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Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb
Op calls mod dumb
Mod bans op




"Person a agrees with mod and calls op dumb"
  You have concluded this but it does not seem to be the case as I detail below.  Even if it was, how do you justify concluding that Diploid or the website is poorly moderated because of the existence of one error?  I don't think there was an error, and I think it was perfectly correct, but even if there was a mistake you would seem out of line.  Personally, I think Diploid is one of the best moderators on this site, and I think its ridiculous for you to be making these accusations given how well this forum is ran and how neutrally the rules are enforced.

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Who just so happened to disagree with him. I see the same infraction yet a decision on the part of the mod to only ban the person who disagrees with him. Or wait can you call "people" dumb, just not "mods". Please clarify.




You've alleged in a conclusory fashion that MushroomTrip called LightShredder dumb.  You have not explained how you arrive at that conclusion.  Before you go demanding people explain this situation you need to establish your premise as accurate.  For reasons provided below, i don't think it is.



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Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

Just curious.




Diploid runs this forum, and I don't speak for him, but based on the rules:



Mushroom Trip's altered statements was:

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.




While I don't know if that's even a proper sentence, and hence it might be somewhat difficult to use grammer to deconstruct it, it seems to me that the term 'stupid' is descriptive of 'side'.  The sentence refers to a "side" as the"stupid side".

As such, in the post, the side is the thing with is criticized.  As the "side" refers to one position on a disputed subject, rather than a person who uses this message board, it is not, per se, in violation of the rules to criticize it.  As you mention, the original statement had the user's name in place of the word 'stupid', but even in this construction the user's name is descriptive of one 'side'- making it even more clear that the altered sentence could not be criticizing a user, because the user is not the term being modified.

Had MushroomTrip instead altered the sentence to say "I'm with stupid, let the mockers mock" then I would imagine Diploid would have taken it differently- as in that case, stupid is clearly referring to the user rather than the user's "side" or "position".

This isn't "official", for that you'll have to get Diploid's position, but that's how I look at it, and I have to agree with Diploid in not considering the post to be in violation of the rules as it was written.  Some people have trouble with the distinction, but it seems pretty clear to me, even if this case is somewhat closer than usual.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14342189 - 04/24/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No, re-examine the prior posts. Someone said to lightshredder "I'm on YOUR side."

He said "I'm on STUPID side".

It's not really my business so I'm not tryin to argue but it does look a little sketchy.

This is way off topic, my apologies.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342193 - 04/24/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342194 - 04/24/11 04:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can't just evaluate the sentence by itself, as it was clearly in response to the post worded exactly like it, where "your" (referring to op) was replaced with "stupid" (obviously referring to op)

I can honestly say I would interpret it that way.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: quinn]
    #14342195 - 04/24/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Me? Seriously? Is posting off topic or questioning the decision of a mod against the rules?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342199 - 04/24/11 04:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

its clearly a bannable offense.

consider this your final warning. read the Rulez


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: quinn]
    #14342213 - 04/24/11 04:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time as the rules state will occur. It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator. I think I'll complain to a more decent one.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14342252 - 04/24/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time as the rules state will occur. It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator. I think I'll complain to a more decent one.





Hey, Owsley2.0:

Diploid isn't online right now, so your not going to be getting any answers from him now.  For now, please don't continue repeating your arguments on this issue and if you wish to post in this thread, please restrict the discussion to the thread's topic of discussion. 

If Diploid feels like commenting you can see what he says or send him a PM, but unless he indicates he's cool with further off topic discussion, please cool it for now.

If you wave a problem with the way the site's ran or wish to dispute any disciplinary action you should generally speak with the moderator directly and attempt to work out any issue and if that fails you may contact the site administration via a support ticket and tell them your (stupid) side of the story.

If you want to whip up a mob the website feedback forum is always available but isn't for disputing disciplinary action.

Basically, chillout- Diploid's not coming back online any faster by posting more.

P.S.  Generally moderators have discression as to disciplinary action, and I'm unaware of any provision promising a warning prior to banning, including in this forum's rules.  Either way, I would remind you that disciplinary notices are sent only to the member concerned and can only be seen by other staff- hence it is unlikely you'd have any idea whether the individual in question was banned, warned, or stockaded previously.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: johnm214]
    #14343800 - 04/24/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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P.S.  Generally moderators have discression as to disciplinary action, and I'm unaware of any provision promising a warning prior to banning, including in this forum's rules.  Either way, I would remind you that disciplinary notices are sent only to the member concerned and can only be seen by other staff- hence it is unlikely you'd have any idea whether the individual in question was banned, warned, or stockaded previously.





Oops, never mind, I guess you probably would know exactly what notices LightShedder had previously received, now wouldn't you?

Using a puppet to argue this position is pretty stupid, man.

And, yeah, this time there can be no doubt who or what "stupid" refers to.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14343942 - 04/24/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It also looks as though op was banned immediately rather than warned one time

Another know-it-all critiquing what he has no clue about.

The OP has two prior warning in his record, otherwise he would have been warned this time.

It's just not fun to see a mod clearly abuse his authority as a moderator.

Enforcing the rules as codified in the the rules sticky is abuse?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you refusing to read the rules deliberately so you can derail the thread and whine about a non-issue?

Calling someone's argument (someone's side) stupid is not only ALLOWED but ENCOURAGED by the rules. This works because in philosophy is it common to argue a position one doesn't believe to see if it stands scrutiny or as an academic exercise. This is why calling your argument stupid is not the same as calling YOU stupid. You are not your argument.

And this is why it's expressly allowed by the rules.

By the way, creating a puppet account as you've done to whine about your ban is itself a permaban-worthy offense. Good thing for you I'm not an abusive mod or you'd be out of here for good.

Now let's get back on topic. This thread has been derailed enough. If you have anything else to say, do it in PM.

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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14347330 - 04/25/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And no drugs effect your brain chemistry which later effects your brain waves, just liketurning on or off the lights technically has an end result on your brain waves. If you do t believe this, look it up in the references I provided, but tv directly alters your brain waves. Simple. Take it and do what you want with it.




:rofl2:

Maybe if you weren't already convinced that television is some evil manifestation, you'd realize that you're making up nonsensical distinctions that don't even exist. :smirk:

What's the difference between how flicking off a light switch "technically has an end result on brain waves" and how TV "directly alters your brain waves"?
There isn't one. The way the sensory information the eyes take in, in both circumstances, is processed by the brain, in effect, alters the brain waves. Same exact mechanism, slightly different results, as the sensory information is different.

Wow. :wow:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: fireworks_god]
    #14349208 - 04/25/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus, I think some of you guys have been watching too much Law and Order or something. Re-fucking-lax!
In regards to the original post, yea, TV is pretty damn weird. The weirdest part is that it seemed so normal as a kid. 30-minute fun time cut with cereal and squirt-gun ads is pretty weird, but it was a fact of life.
And no, there probably isn't a big gov't conspiracy about using tv to brain-wash the masses, but that's the scary thing. They don't need a conspiracy. All it takes to get your opinion out to a lot of people, whether 'you' is Congress, a movie director, Proctor & Gamble, etc, is to package it on to the television medium and make it entertaining or interesting enough to keep peoples' asses glued to the seat. Same idea with newspapers, magazines, billboards, etc. 
And TV happens to be one of the most popular information mediums, so that is what most people using their power to influence others turn to. And if you're just Joe Schmoe, there are plenty of forums on the inter-web where someone will give you their attention, ha!
Sorry I didn't get into the argument, I just wanted to talk about TV being weird.


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