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OfflineLightShedder
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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338103 - 04/23/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Apparently mushroomtrip doesn't understand the difference between brain waves and brain chemistry. They don't teach you about that on WGN.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338114 - 04/23/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I smoke cannabis and it does not alter my brain waves.

Of course it alters your brainwaves. How else would you get stoned (or alter ANY aspect of consciousness) without altering your brainwaves?

I said waves. And yes I'm sure. Chemistry? Yes. Waves? No.

Are you aware that brainwaves are CREATED by chemical reactions in your brain? Without chemical reactions, there would be no brainwaves at all. The cessation of chemical reactions is what causes brain death.

If brain chemistry is affected, so are brain waves.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338163 - 04/23/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not it man, it was that this wasn't really a matter of debate. I mean if someone says "I fucking hate listening to the beatles when IM tripping. Paul sounds weird. If you dont hear it, than your an alien". Would you start demanding evidence? He can debate all he wNts and say he has a efferent opinion. Show me where I have spoken against anothers opinion and your post has merit. Otherwise you're confused because I haven't bashed any kind of "debate".
Just tried to express my opinion which I didnt expect people to regard as "verifiable facts".

I guess y'all thought this was C-SPAN. Not surprised.




First of all, read the fucking description of the forum. It is meant for debate that can be backed with evidence, not for spouting opinions. Why don't you go post in OTD?

Lastly, do you honestly think implying that we like mature debates is an insult?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14338522 - 04/23/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

On your side man, let the mockers mock.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: timelapses]
    #14338867 - 04/23/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.




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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: timelapses]
    #14339365 - 04/23/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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On your side man, let the mockers mock.




Ya man, drugs don't alter your brain at all.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14339696 - 04/23/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir...


You think she's a dude? :rofl2:




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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14339947 - 04/23/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder said:
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MushroomTrip said:
You mean in the same way other people feel bad when they think about how people take drugs and get sucked into it?





Excuse me sir, but unless you can provide evidence to this claim, your full of feces
Seriously, that's a terrible analogy.




MT used that statement to demonstrate the comparative flaw in the statement in which she was responding to.

I thought, it quite effective too.

Edit:

On a side note, completely without any assertion other than my own personal preference, I find the telly to be weird too, even when completely sober.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip] * 1
    #14340239 - 04/23/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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timelapses said:
On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.







:lol:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14340829 - 04/23/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Show me how smoking cannabis directly alters your brainwaves?

Here ya go, direct from the MAPS web, one of the definitive sources of unbiased information on psychedelic drugs. Plus, Google is your friend. It's not hard to find hundreds of thousands of such studies if you bother to search.

Effects of Marijuana on the EEG: A Review and Prospectus

Lukas, Mendelson, and Benedikt (1995) had six subjects report changes in their subjective mood state while EEG was recorded. During episodes of intense good effects or euphoria, significantly increases in alpha wave power were observed. Lukas, Mendelson, Amass and Benedikt (1981) also observed increases in alpha with acute administration of cannabis...

Volavka et al. (1973) observed an increase in alpha wave amplitude, and a decrease in mean alpha wave frequency when marijuana was smoked by 14 male subjects. Roth et al. (1974) observed an increase in alpha wave and a decrease in several components of the auditory evoked response in the EEG during the first several minutes after marijuana inhalation...

Struve et al (1994) observed "a significant association
between increased absolute and relative power and interhemispheric
coherence of EEG alpha wave activity over the bilateral frontal-central cortex ("alpha hyperfrontality") in daily marihuana users as contrasted with nonusers." In a group of users who had smoked marijuana daily for 15 to 24 years, an increased absolute power of theta activity over bilateral frontal-central cortex was observed, as well as significantly increased interhemispheric coherence of theta wave activity across central and posterior regions of the brain (Struve et al., 1998).


There's lots more. Read the entire study on the MAPS web here:

http://www.maps.org/old_forum/1999/msg00015.html


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14340844 - 04/23/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Mature discussion. I see.

Lol there has to be evidence to back the claims in this forum?????? Hahaha obviously you haventread any of the thread titles

"free will is real true or false"

"god exists. True or false"

"you are even though you don't think you are. Discuss"

why do I even respond to such an OBVIOUSLY dumb statement like yours? Because it's funny how dumb you are. And no drugs effect your brain chemistry which later effects your brain waves, just liketurning on or off the lights technically has an end result on your brain waves. If you do t believe this, look it up in the references I provided, but tv directly alters your brain waves. Simple. Take it and do what you want with it.

Lol mature discussion. Lighten up whinos.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder]
    #14340864 - 04/23/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:ban:


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: LightShedder] * 1
    #14340922 - 04/23/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LightShedder, if your argument is so weak that you have to resort to childish name calling instead of debating the merits of your position, there's probably something wrong with your argument.

And name calling is against the rules. Take that to the OTD forum where the children there debate by insulting each other. Here, the adults find that boring. That's why it's against the rules.

Take some time off to think about it.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Diploid]
    #14340950 - 04/23/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder, if your argument is so weak that you have to resort to childish name calling instead of debating the merits of your position, there's probably something wrong with your argument.

And name calling is against the rules. Take that to the OTD forum where the children there debate by insulting each other. Here, the adults find that boring. That's why it's against the rules.

Take some time off to think about it.





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On stupid side man, let the mockers mock.







I find the above to be childish name calling/trolling. Is that permissible here?


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: yeah]
    #14340998 - 04/23/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Attacking someone's argument, idea, philosophy, or line of reasoning is allowed and encouraged. Attacking the person you're debating with is not.

Have you read the forum rules? It doesn't appear you have. They are sticky at the top of the post list. Read them.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Diploid]
    #14341034 - 04/23/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I actually agree with you, LightShedder. Whenever I am in a situation where I'm watching TV, all I can do is think about things I'd rather be doing.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Gibson33]
    #14341226 - 04/23/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I see that he was called stupid before responding with lighten up whinos?

Sounds like an abuse of power IMO.

Dangerous water you're treadin in, not agreeing with a mods philosophy in the philosophy forum.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14341236 - 04/23/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fwiw, I don't mind television. I prefer art but I view tv as a form of art. Just to post something relevant to the original topic...


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: Owsley2.0]
    #14341248 - 04/23/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Someone says on YOUR (lightshredder) side. Someone mockingly replaces YOUR (lightshredder) with stupid. How is that any less of an offense than "dumb" or "whinos"?

Just curious.


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Re: TV is too fucking weird yall [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #14341315 - 04/23/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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LightShedder said:
I smoke cannabis and it does not alter my brain waves. These "people" you mentioned can believe whatever they want about it. There's no "evidence to their claims" so just go ahead and ignore them. They watch too much tv anyways.





oops, guess not:

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Data are reported for visual and somatosensory evoked responses recorded from frontal, central and occipital scalp 4 h after drug administration. For each response recorded under drug and placebo conditions amplitudes and latencies of consistently identifiable wave components were calculated and analyzed.

No consistent evoked response differences were found between the frequent and occasional user groups. The most prominent finding was the consistency with which Δ9-THC slowed the latency of evoked response waves while producing relatively little change in amplitude. In contrast, most drugs have been found to exert their main effects on evoked response amplitude with only slight alterations of latency. It was thus hypothesized that Δ9-THC acts to increase the threshold of cortical and subcortical neurons or neural networks involved in producing the evoked response rather than to selectively inhibit brain-stem centers.



Abstract
The effects of varying doses of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol on the human visual and somatosensory evoked response
Electroencephalography and Clinical Neurophysiology
Volume 35, Issue 4, October 1973, Pages 347-354



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I guess that's considered challenging someone to someone who watches too much television.




Then you're arguing with ghosts, because I haven't been watching any TV in around six years. This doesn't stop me from seeing your paranoid ideas about TV and "people who prescribe you meds".





lol, interesting.  I also don't have a television in my house and very rarely watch any.

I guess maybe our opinion isn't because we "watch too much television" after all.  Wow- someone having an opinion that is arrived at through logical thought rather than confirming what's in their self-interest to believe.  Who would've thought we'd ever see something like that in a the philosophy forum!


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