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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: ManianFH]
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: Salomon]
#14331789 - 04/22/11 05:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is a god!
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: skatealex2]
#14331822 - 04/22/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes its wrong to disprove God because you cant disprove God, its a fallacy.
Not because I think he exists, but theres simply nothing to go on. "God" has no scientific definitions or parameters of functioning. You cant prove or disprove something like that.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: skatealex2] 1
#14331830 - 04/22/11 05:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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skatealex2 said: Has anyone ever disproved god
No.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: koraks]
#14331837 - 04/22/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: Here's another one for you: if God is almighty, can He disprove his own existence?
Hahah nice one. That's a pretty trippy thought. Yeah I think, hypothetically, he could.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: jobe28]
#14331894 - 04/22/11 06:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure He'd turn in to Schrödinger's cat if he did.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: koraks]
#14331903 - 04/22/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think you can demonstrate the logical inconsistency of belief in the Christian god very easily, but of course logic is not necessary for faith.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: jobe28]
#14331912 - 04/22/11 06:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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lets say you manage to meet god, and he shows u all this cool shit he can do. You'd still have to prove he was the 'right' god wouldn't u? I mean it could just be satan in disguise or aliens, it could always be aliens. Infact if i was an alien, watching tv for years, planning a first encounter, it would seem pretending to be god would be desirable would it not? The only downside would be explaining why there are so many of you, which is a very interesting question yet easily answered by quoting
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No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.
so you see God comparable to money, and like money more can be printed when needed and with different faces
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#14331967 - 04/22/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God? people choose wheather to subscribe to those beliefs or not. it's not a matter of fact or fiction but of devotion to ones own self completion(or lack of completion) as to whether one chooses to have faith. And that shit (faith) is the most mind fucking little guy in the mix. like samurai drifter said, there is no logic in faith! and like salomon said, nothingn is absolute, and therefore proveable. GOD i love this site.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: funegi]
#14331982 - 04/22/11 07:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God? people choose wheather to subscribe to those beliefs or not.
God means many things to many people. To me God equals the totality of everything.
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(faith) is the most mind fucking little guy in the mix. like samurai drifter said, there is no logic in faith! and like salomon said, nothingn is absolute, and therefore proveable.
Therefore, there only really IS faith. You put faith in logic as a system towards affecting the world around you.
Logic CANT POSSIBLY BE WRONG! To even THINK that is HERESY! The only thing you should put faith in is SCIENCE, any other faith is DELUSIONAL! Sure sounds like a medieval catholic if you put it that way no? Lets see what they say about the Church of Logic another 1000 years on.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: Asante]
#14331989 - 04/22/11 07:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh and as to..

You gotta realize that even ABSOLUT is only 40% and the actual proof in ABSOLUT is only 80/200, so there.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: Asante]
#14331997 - 04/22/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Logic CANT POSSIBLY BE WRONG!
Yes, by definition. Its validity is internal, not external. Which means that from the tenets of logic itself, it is impossible to establish the scope of subject matter to which it can be applied. I agree with Samurai_Drifter that if there is a God, then He can only exist if at least part of Him exists outside the realm of logic. The statement that logic can't be wrong is a snake that bites its own tail.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: Asante]
#14331999 - 04/22/11 07:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: You gotta realize that even ABSOLUT is only 40% and the actual proof in ABSOLUT is only 80/200, so there. 
Hey, it's still proof.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: koraks]
#14332017 - 04/22/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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An almighty god doesn't exist in my universe. I'm a buddhist.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: ROFL_my_ WAFFLE]
#14332059 - 04/22/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't try to convert or disprove god to people but I do remember who the atheists I know are and hold them to a higher regard...
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: Asante]
#14332089 - 04/22/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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logic can obviously be wrong, but its also the foundation of science. Science is based on monkey see monkey do, which as described any monkey can do. But whenever u hit a wall, thats where logic and creativity steps in, and thats why its superior or at the very least deserves alot more credit. And science doesn't exactly have a perfect track record either, its just when science makes a mistake its all hush hush no big deal because we did our best to get there. It was accepted that the atom was the smalled unit, now there saying its possibly strings and all kinds of other crap. Then there was how the "rules" suddenly don't apply to objects that small so it "technically" wasn't wrong or something. And based on that previous sentence we have these really small objects that are apparently affected/destroyed just by looking at them The bottom line is, science is a good system but its not perfect and people resting faith in it isn't good either. There's also the human factor and things being manipulated for greed and money, and more often than not, logic is going to save you quicker than science will since it takes logic to defy science in the first place and to take such a leap obviously requires faith, so to suggest people shouldn't ever use faith combine with logic, just isn't scientifically safe. Theres a reason things get tested again after having already been approved, its not just to make people feel safe, its because sometimes, science actually was wrong.
now maybe my definition of logic is different than others but i think you get what im talking about, anyways just sayin
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: PreparationH]
#14332103 - 04/22/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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logic, is simply high probability, not certainty and "certainly" not absolute or right. logic, being the result of a rigorous scientific process for theory establishment, is therefore essentially an highly probable explination but by no means absolute or right. So, if science is the basis for ones beliefs, then by its nature (science) it begs for the disproving of its own logic and therefore, is theories. when you don't question something you make it a "god"/absolute, that's not science.
Church of Logic? not logical. lol
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: funegi]
#14332120 - 04/22/11 08:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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funegi said: logic, is simply high probability, not certainty and "certainly" not absolute or right. logic, being the result of a rigorous scientific process for theory establishment, is therefore essentially an highly probable explination but by no means absolute or right.
Your confusing empirical science and logic. Logic is absolutely true by definition; there is no probability in logic. Empirical science revolves around probability and attempts to approach the cleanness of logic via that route. That the two are often in disagreement is obvious and is very well illustrated by makaveli8x8's post, which describes the process through which science builds a body of knowledge that is logically consistent: by inducing theory from observations, by deducing new theory from existing knowledge (that may in turn be either deduced or induced), by formulating hypotheses based on the newly developed theory in order to test it in an empirical setting, which in turn makes it possible to see if the new theory is consistent with both existing knowledge and empirical data. Deduction and induction are activities that involve both creativity and the application of logic. Hence, modern (empirical) science is the integration of existing knowledge, new data, creativity and logic. Therefore, I think it's difficult to maintain that any of those elements is in any way superior to the others; they are in fact complementary.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: jobe28]
#14332145 - 04/22/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: Here's another one for you: if God is almighty, can He disprove his own existence?
Hahah nice one. That's a pretty trippy thought. Yeah I think, hypothetically, he could.
he has disproven his existence and does so on a constant and daily basis
truth and experience are in-separable. all other types of knowledge are subjective. unless you have truly experienced something which can be objectively measured and experienced by others, you are taking truth for granted. excluding the importance of experience in favor of hearsay is arbitrary, you wouldnt know anything first hand and your thoughts and experiencs rest on the words and teachings of other people.
as far as im concerned the word of god only exists in the minds of people on earth, after this fact, i have seen no evidence of god, nor heard of evidence of god that can be measured objectively. the explanation of god always ends in tautology "who created order? god. who created god? god just is and always was". "seeing god" or experiencing "god" only seems to happen inside the minds of certain "special" people. at this point, god grants favors on an arbitrary basis, free will exists only for certain people.
science can objectively measure why things act in a certain "order" and what effect that has on other parts of reality.
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Re: Would it be wrong to disprove god to your parents? [Re: koraks]
#14332150 - 04/22/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the fact that something can be highly logical but still not true and therefore requires another look at evidence for its explination is a demonstration of the definition that logic is a propensity of evidence to list an explination w/a high percentage of logic. All this is exactly evident in your very argument as the the absolutism of logic.
god - logic. if you ask me both make for great little arguments.
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