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for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' * 1
    #14331431 - 04/22/11 01:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

how you do it??? cuz i've tried but i can't help but to reflect of real life matters while on psychedelics. now, don't get me wrong, there are times when i have lots of insane and crazy fun, but at the end of day, i always end up reflecting on my own personal and life issues whether i like it or not.

i can't just eat mushrooms and expect not think about what is it that life is, for me, and for those around me.

mushrooms are like an instrument, a tool, of reflection whether you like it or not. at least for many of my buddies and myself of course.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14331477 - 04/22/11 02:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with you 1000000000000000000 percent (just held down the zero key)...

For me it's only a few times a year and they [mushrooms] seem to help me reflect on what has happened in the past few months, a refreshment for the mind if you will.

Had a girlfriend once who would trip a few times a week, to be honest it was annoying, I always asked her how she could do it.  Seems a little disrespectful to the mushrooms in my opinion, never gave me a straight answer either.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: IdoItToUNWIND]
    #14331496 - 04/22/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i mean, seriously, i don't mean to speak for everyone, but mushrooms seem to kick my ass one way or another. even if it just in a little part of the trip, mushrooms are just so much powerful, i find it hard to just take em lightly.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: IdoItToUNWIND] * 1
    #14331546 - 04/22/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard] * 2
    #14331733 - 04/22/11 04:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How do I do it? Well, firstly I don't take 5000+ gram hyperspace doses.

Secondly I get together with some good friends, put on some good music and groove to the music while enjoying the day on psychedelics.

Thirdly, I don't:

  • Close my eyes
  • Lay down
  • Sit by myself in silence.


Set and setting is key. If you are in the set and setting for having a good time, you have a good time. If you are in a set and setting for pondering the inner mysteries of the universe, you ponder the inner myseteries of the universe. This doesn't just apply to drugs you know - your environment should always reflect the activity you plan on doing in it. (feng shui as the Chinese call it).

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14331747 - 04/22/11 04:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

IMO take them "for fun" and they will hand your ass to you.

There's a reason they have been used religiously since man started walking.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: BadAcid]
    #14331778 - 04/22/11 05:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It works as a medicine
the nexus of reasons that leads us to take shrooms is too complicated to map
strength depends on dosage among other things
when I start to notice the afterglow fading I take it again
lsd shroom dmt
then I am sharp as a knife again


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14331803 - 04/22/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Out of say a hundred trips (shrooms, dmt, LSD, 2cX) maybe 5 times I dosed with the intention of learning something.

Saying that someone who doses for recreational purposes is going to 'get their ass handed to them' is retarded.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard]
    #14331844 - 04/22/11 05:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with you as well. This chick Ik wants to eat shrooms on her birthday and go to the strip club:facepalm:
I told her shrooms arent meant to have a good time and party, it would be a waste to go there.
Instead I told her to go to Palisades(nice national park) and walk the trails. She liked the idea so hopefully she might.
Only psych I take for fun is 2c-b just because I dont see anything special about it. Never have flowing thoughts. Just dumbed down mind with lots of visuals


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Divinity]
    #14331862 - 04/22/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

IMO they are dual purpose.  If you want to sit meditate or think about issues, great!  Do it.

But if you wanna get a couple of friends, watch teletubies at 2AM in the morning and laugh your ass off, great!  Do it too.

We can be as multi-dimensional as the shrooms! :omgawesome:


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Odum]
    #14331863 - 04/22/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Johnny Depp said:
It gives you an altered state of mind for a short time in which you can see things from a different angle.  But that angle isn't always true. 

IMHO mushrooms lie.  So I don't take things I think about on them too seriously.  That's not to say I haven't occasionally learned something good.  It's just mostly a waste of thought.  I have thought up all kinds of theories and philosophies, and later when I'm sober thought "WTF was I thinking?"




this
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Odum said:
Saying that someone who doses for recreational purposes is going to 'get their ass handed to them' is retarded.



and this

i used to take them to learn things, and most of the time i came to the conclusion that i was just fucked up. now i just go in with the sole intention of having a good time. every now and then i actually do learn something. and it seems that ive learned more with no expectations, than when i actually tried.

Edited by awakendone (04/22/11 07:05 AM)

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Divinity]
    #14331869 - 04/22/11 06:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know... I use psychedelics for both recreation and spiritual reasons... The main difference to me is the dose.  If i'm going to a concert or just want to hang around and goof with friends or go to a concert or something i'll eat an eighth or so and when i want to lay around by myself and explore the universe i usually go 7g+


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: redrum187]
    #14331881 - 04/22/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe it depends largely on the person I could never get through an entire trip without some sort of introspection others seem to have an aversion to these types of convos and are in it only for "the fun of it."

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: shallowbastard] * 1
    #14331941 - 04/22/11 06:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You've been conditioned to believing they are introspective and that they provide you new perspectives into your life.  You've been sold a bill of goods.  Its funny that as a kid, my friends and I would trip all the time and NONE of us ever had anything mystical, spiritual, or introspective happen.  We'd just be really fucking high, tripping our balls off.  And this was tripping for years with many different people before the internet poisoned our innocence.  I remember tripping with the black kids once.  It was a laugh riot, those dudes did it all the time.  No one held these drugs above or below any other drug.  The internet helped the younger generations place a special value on this class of drugs.  There is a powerful concerted effort to raise the profile on these drugs and it has been a blazing success.  Look around you.

These drugs do anything you want them to and then take it a step further.  You want to meet God, you can become God.  You want to think about life, you'll have a psychotherapy session with Freud on steroids. You want to contemplate abstract ideas, it'll draw you a fucking picture of that physics concept you just couldn't get.  Of course, it will do nothing you can't do on your own.  Nothing.  With some low self-esteem and reinforcing drug taking behavior, you'll give credit to the drug and further elevate it to a mythical status. 

You want to trip and have fun?  Realize its intoxicant, a euphoriant, and not a medicine.  Realize its a cheap thrill, like huffing glue.  Not too many threads on glue huffing and introspection, right?  Not that huffing can't be introspective or provide access to deeper levels of your reality, it just sounds stupid and no one ever told you it could.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332087 - 04/22/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mr. Joe Molloy, quick question:

Many moons ago, when you were an innocent tripper; did you have any "bad trips"? Just an interesting thought I had reading your response...


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332095 - 04/22/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if you are were into meditation you might see that lsd etc. strengthens concentration
good that you are skeptic towards what comes from other people
how about being more wholesome about this and apply the same skepticism to your self?


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: joemolloy]
    #14332112 - 04/22/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Actually Joe, I, like yourself have tripped before the "spiritual" connection between psychedelics was very mainstream (keep in mind though humans have been using entheogens for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years). And like you said "nothing really spiritual happened, we just tripped our balls off." That being said, the psychedelic high was unlike any other. Rather than getting the high or euphoria directly from the drug, I was pulling the high from my surroundings. This gave me a renewed appreciation for life.

Later in life I started getting into eastern philosophy. One of the things I quickly realized is that some of the fleeting moments I had on psychedelics that didn't really seem important before, now truly resounded with me.

And as it stands psychedelics are something that I would consider a spiritual tool, or as Albert Hofmann put it "medicine for the soul." I do agree with you that "it will do nothing you can't do on your own." But I strongly believe that psychedelics can help skeptics and self doubters realize the true potential of their mind - which in turn can lead to long term peace and contentment down the road.

So contrary to your statement, I don't really view psychedelics as a cheap high, on par with huffing glue - because psychedelics, in my subjective opinion have the power to open people's minds to their own potential and this makes them very powerful and medicinal indeed.

I don't think the answer is telling OP to realize psychedelics are an intoxicant like any other, but rather guide him into taking them with pleasure in mind. As I said earlier and as you said yourself, "psychdelics do anything you want them to and then take it a step further". If OP trips to have a good time, and makes sure he takes the precautions and creates good set and setting for himself he'll surely have a great time.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14332142 - 04/22/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've yet to experience anything spiritual or profound on shrooms...but I've only had low doses. I hope I do one day, but until that day, I see no problem with having fun with them. They also inspire a calmness that lasts for days. Which is definitely a great thing for me. I don't see how using them for these things is disrespectful.


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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: thieves]
    #14332193 - 04/22/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Real life matters ARE fun. Life is dead serious and hilarious at the same time. So are psychedelics.

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Re: for those of you who take psychedelics 'for fun' [Re: Dawks]
    #14332194 - 04/22/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

great post Dawks
I just want to add that if we try to detach ourselves from this topic
we are left mainly with the fact that psychedelics expand consciousness
this is knowledge that I wish would expand throughout all users of psychedelics

when music resonates in a prolonged way
when flies leave visible trails in the air
when thoughts last longer
try to see that all in mind is mind-objects, or thoughts if you will
the fading of this stuff, consciousness, prolongs
the signals extend and layer (build on top of each other)
this is the essential effect of psychedelics

a natural consequence of this is that more associations resonate in the mind and as the best match is always the one to resonate most
better matches occur
mentality improves
this very improvement lasts for days
if you are very sensitive (meditation) you will still be able to discern your state from totally sober after 5 days


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