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French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban
    #14331908 - 04/22/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

French riot police threaten to strike over alcohol ban

France's riot police have complained about being "treated like children" following a new ban on drinking alcohol while on duty.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk
By Peter Allen in Paris
2:27PM BST 21 Apr 2011


The CRS has always been renowned for employing particularly tough officers Photo: REUTERS

The CRS (Republican Security Companies), which made its name quelling student demonstrators during nationwide disturbances in 1968, has always enjoyed a glass of beer or wine with its meals.

However, following photos of riot police drinking bottles of beer during Paris street protest, police chiefs have decided to put an end to the tradition.

They were wearing body armour and carrying weapons as they sipped from beer and wine bottles. Some were also smoking.

Didier Mangione, national secretary of the police union, said bosses were "trying to turn us into priests, but without the altar wine".

"Nobody should object to a small drink on jobs," he said. "CRS officers do not have any more or less alcohol problems than anybody else in society. They should be allowed to drink in moderation."

While British police are strictly barred from drinking on duty, the French have traditionally been allowed 25cl of wine or a small beer with their main meal of the day.

It was normally served on an official tray and sometimes eaten in full view of the public, often outside riot-control vans.

"Our right to drink alcohol with our food is protected by the law and our members are very unhappy at being treated like children," Mr Mangione added.

The CRS, which was formed after the Second World War to "protect" the Republic from internal threats, has always been renowned for employing particularly tough officers.

They are often seen bracing themselves for action on the streets of major cities like Paris, Marseilles and Lyon.

Whenever a riot is threatened in a housing project or outside a university, it is invariably the CRS who are called to mobilise. Their tactics involve responding swiftly, and often violently.

Mr Mangione said he would be making a formal appeal against the new rules to the police authority.

A spokesman for the CRS central directorate said they had no plans to reconsider their decision.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #14331972 - 04/22/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The French  :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Toe_Jam]
    #14332153 - 04/22/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Look at it from their point of view.  Wine has almost been traditional with their meals.  So exempting them from the rest of society is a pretty big deal, it would like saying "you can't handle such a small amount of wine."  Which btw, 25 cl is the same as one US cup.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: MidRange]
    #14332252 - 04/22/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hell let them drink, just take away their clubs.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14332298 - 04/22/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I don't care how goddamn "moderately" you think you're drinking, alcohol and firearms do not (RESPONSIBLY) mix, dillhole.  We know this.

Coupled with a duty and responsibility to do your job the very BEST and most considerately you can, should you choose to pursue this line of work, it's obvious to any imbecile that you ought find a different time to do your drinking, hmm?


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #14332357 - 04/22/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Our right to drink alcohol with our food is protected by the law and our members are very unhappy at being treated like children," Mr Mangione added.




Now they know how we as responsible adults in the US feel. :mad:


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: SuperD]
    #14332709 - 04/22/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #14332828 - 04/22/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Jesus Christ, France. Seriously?


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: SuperD]
    #14332888 - 04/22/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Our right to drink alcohol with our food is protected by the law and our members are very unhappy at being treated like children," Mr Mangione added.




Now they know how we as responsible adults in the US feel. :mad:




Yeah, for real. Well guess what? We in the US feel like we're being treated like children. And not just on the job, but off of it, too.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #14332893 - 04/22/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"Nobody should object to a small drink on jobs," he said. "CRS officers do not have any more or less alcohol problems than anybody else in society. They should be allowed to drink in moderation."




Don't they see that's the problem? :facepalm:


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14333084 - 04/22/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As others have said it's well known that in France "children have a glass of red wine with supper" and that it helps with heart disease or whatever.

France and Germany are heavily alcohol-inspired countries.  One with wine, the other beer.

Disallowing ANY drinking is different from disallowing being drunken.  Having a drink doesn't necessarily mean you're impaired when we're talking a bottle of beer or glass of wine with your meal.

Do French riot police have guns?


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Humility]
    #14333733 - 04/22/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm against government interference on personal issues, but this doesn't seem like a personal problem to me. Men with guns should not be drinking, and if your employer decides to impose a new policy, then either adhere to it our find a new job. But I know I sure as hell would not want to meet a drunk cop while he's on duty


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Humility]
    #14333785 - 04/22/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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As others have said it's well known that in France "children have a glass of red wine with supper" and that it helps with heart disease or whatever.

France and Germany are heavily alcohol-inspired countries.  One with wine, the other beer.

Disallowing ANY drinking is different from disallowing being drunken.  Having a drink doesn't necessarily mean you're impaired when we're talking a bottle of beer or glass of wine with your meal.

Do French riot police have guns?




I understand it's part of their culture, but riot police do not work 24/7, so if they're such moderate drinkers they should be fine with waiting to get home before they have their one or two glasses of the day.

As it is, even small amounts of alcohol couldn't possibly have benefits to the cops' ability to do their jobs, unless they're serious alcoholics and are in withdrawal, in which case they should get some librium from the doc on their free healthcare system :kingcrankey:


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14333913 - 04/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Tchan - the whole point is that alcohol in Europe isn't always what alcohol is so frequently in the U.S. is.  In a lot of ways it's an elevated cultural thing and isn't about becoming inebriated.

It isn't about them needing to drink, it's about upsetting multiple cultural norms.  These are men; men who work in a high-intensity profession, and men who come from a country where EVERYONE and not just men drink regularly, like daily.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Humility]
    #14333935 - 04/22/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Tchan - the whole point is that alcohol in Europe isn't always what alcohol is so frequently in the U.S. is. In a lot of ways it's an elevated cultural thing and isn't about becoming inebriated.

It isn't about them needing to drink, it's about upsetting multiple cultural norms.  These are men; men who work in a high-intensity profession, and men who come from a country where EVERYONE and not just men drink regularly, like daily.




Have you been to Europe before? I'm in England right now and I suppose you're right. People seem to display far less shame around here about getting completely pissed and wetting their pants in the streets.

I say fuck it. Inebriating substances should not be allowed for people who are doing hazardous public work. The fact that this is even a conversation is just completely :picard: to me.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14334100 - 04/22/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It's widely known that England has no culture.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Humility]
    #14334118 - 04/22/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:lol: Got me.

But seriously though... there's no rational justification for drinking any amount on a job like that. Even the minor impairment caused by one glass of wine could lead to small misjudgments that carry serious consequences. If you're a French riot cop trying to preserve the unimpeachable tradition of having one or two glasses of wine a day, then you can definitely wait until your shift is over.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14337409 - 04/23/11 08:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well drunk people shoot people by accident all the time, Would it be different if they were all Twacked out,  You wouldnt want a twacked out cop, or a drunk one.  Make them smoke pot, that way when there is a riot, they are like fuck it,maybe later


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14338218 - 04/23/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I can NOT believe the responses here.....
This place is going to hell!
As aforementioned, we are referring to about eight US ounces.
Leave it to a bunch of (mostly) whiny Amerikans to agree with more restrictions.
I dare say there are a multitude of other distractions/impairing situations in a riot cops day in Paris than less than 20ml of Etoh
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    #14338514 - 04/23/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

8 US ounces of alcohol is like one bowl of mids. It just takes the edge off, but it doesn't really get you drunk so that you make crazy decisions. At least imo. In a place like France (I've been to Italy, both places have huge alcohol heritage and the Italians would've flipped SHIT if they couldn't drink a little here or there on the job) I could see this strike going towards the police.

Honestly, they should let them drink anyways. Alcohol makes you numb, so that way when there's a riot they can go out there partially tipsy and kick some ass. You guys saying shit like "people accidentally die all the time from being drunk and shooting guns" well, these are riot police. Like, shield, club, taser, mace. I'm sure they have guns too, but I doubt they get used.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Joolz]
    #14342682 - 04/24/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea  8oz turns into a lot more, i know how it goes when you just stop by for a drink. turns into a lot more. Wich in turn makes you wanna beat some ass, And since they are riot police whats the problem?


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: 2jew4u]
    #14343142 - 04/24/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hell let them drink, just take away their clubs.





Yeah, drunk cops without weapons are fine.  I'm for it.


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Re: French riot police threaten to strike over on-duty alcohol ban [Re: Odd_Nonposter]
    #14344612 - 04/24/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm telling you, even 8oz has a psychoactive effect, and small amounts of alcohol have a tendency to be stimulating and disinhibiting on some level. You can call me a puritannical American all you like, but I also drink like an Irishman, and even I feel small effects from that much alcohol. For a job like riot cop you can NOT afford that.


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