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Ogla



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4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms
#14328083 - 04/21/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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so 4-AcO-DMT turns into psilocin when ingested. How close are the effects to mushrooms? it is better than mushrooms in ur opinion?
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bholzer
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Ogla]
#14328118 - 04/21/11 02:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: so 4-AcO-DMT turns into psilocin when ingested. How close are the effects to mushrooms? it is better than mushrooms in ur opinion?
To me, it feels damn near identical to mushrooms. However, I prefer the shrooms because you don't have to worry about the chemicals. I just like the natural route. Not that i'm against chemicals by any means.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14328581 - 04/21/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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close, aside from no nausea or paranoia. and higher doses are much closer to dmt than shrooms in my opinion (45mg+).
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: millzy]
#14329440 - 04/21/11 07:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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always found 4-aco-dmt had a shorter duration, more intense and detailed visuals, and a DMT-ish body buzz feeling that i don't get on mushrooms
i've taken it to 60+mg though, and its quite a different beast up there
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Ogla]
#14329680 - 04/21/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: so 4-AcO-DMT turns into psilocin when ingested
Has that been confirmed? I read it was still a theory Not saying that in an asshole way, am just curious
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: chooken]
#14330087 - 04/21/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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One of my friends did 45 mg 4-AcO-DMT and the way he described his trip wasn't like a normal shroom trip on that level.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: chooken]
#14330122 - 04/21/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i would roughly compare 1g of mushrooms to 10mg 4-aco-dmt
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Ogla



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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: plaster]
#14330214 - 04/21/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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definitely sounds like a chemical worth exploring
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Janamil


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Ogla]
#14330389 - 04/21/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It seems like 4-aco-dmt is active by itself, both flushing my skin and causing my heart to race.
I honestly believe 4-aco-dmt has more of a "dmt" aspect to it due to its slow deacetylation. Having a slow steadying pace seems to change the trip immensely, or it could be the active O-Acetylpsilocin but I dont believe its that active. It seems like the majority of the trip comes from psilocin after it is slowly metabolized. It seems like for me at least, the most I get out of 4-aco-dmt not metabolized is a shitty body high and flushing of my skin and a change in the level of my choline for nootropics.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14330477 - 04/21/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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losfreddy said: so 4-AcO-DMT turns into psilocin when ingested. How close are the effects to mushrooms? it is better than mushrooms in ur opinion?
To me, it feels damn near identical to mushrooms. However, I prefer the shrooms because you don't have to worry about the chemicals. I just like the natural route. Not that i'm against chemicals by any means.
psilocybin is a chemical too.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14330494 - 04/21/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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physicist said:
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bholzer said:
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losfreddy said: so 4-AcO-DMT turns into psilocin when ingested. How close are the effects to mushrooms? it is better than mushrooms in ur opinion?
To me, it feels damn near identical to mushrooms. However, I prefer the shrooms because you don't have to worry about the chemicals. I just like the natural route. Not that i'm against chemicals by any means.
psilocybin is a chemical too.
I know, but not a human synthesized one, at least not in the mushrooms.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: bholzer]
#14331085 - 04/22/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've taken lower doses of 4-aco-dmt. honestly i thought it was pretty lackluster. i can see how people who've only experienced it at that level wouldn't be impressed. the real show is in the high dose sessions imo. it's like a dmt trip without the loss of body awareness and entity contact.
i'm really interested in trying 4-ho-met. i've heard that one opens you up to entity contact.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: millzy]
#14331640 - 04/22/11 03:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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shrooms be organic, much more reassuring. Ive been pondering getting some of this for a good while. have not been bought yet, as it would be sort of a waste of currency when the good ol one is free and rarely nauseates me.
Does this have a similar chemical shitty taste and feel as something in the 2cx?
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: lasdR]
#14332010 - 04/22/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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the reassurance is only in your mind. it tastes better than most chems, kind of a stale flavour. not that unpleasant, even in only a few mLs of water
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: plaster]
#14332134 - 04/22/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if it's been proven specifically for 4-AcO-DMT but the human body has a lot of non-specific esterases (enzymes that cleave a wide range of esters) so it's likely. There's a way to estimate mathematically if a drug can cross the blood brain barrier I'm not sure if psilacetin (4-AcO-DMT) can cross the bbb but if it can it could be a drug all on it's own as well. I think the main difference between shrooms and 4-AcO-DMT is the fact that shrooms contain a couple other interesting substances as well like 4-PO-NMT which may add to a trip.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Ogla]
#14332783 - 04/22/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ive done a lot of both, and i dont think they have a lot in common.
Shrooms feel really natural, everything seems to flow together nicely.
4-aco-dmt, I was looking across the lake and the water was every color of the rainbow, and the trees on the other side of the lake looked like they were smashing into each other and fighting.
4-aco is more intense i suppose. The comedown is harder too. I prefer shrooms
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Janamil


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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Kevin_X2]
#14373735 - 04/29/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kevin_X2 said: Ive done a lot of both, and i dont think they have a lot in common.
Shrooms feel really natural, everything seems to flow together nicely.
4-aco-dmt, I was looking across the lake and the water was every color of the rainbow, and the trees on the other side of the lake looked like they were smashing into each other and fighting.
4-aco is more intense i suppose. The comedown is harder too. I prefer shrooms
With a drug that needs to be deacetylated, it is quite common to get sparatic results differing from peoples metabolism. Not fat metabolism, much different.
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Janamil]
#14374014 - 04/29/11 06:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is it similar to 5-MeO-DMT or 2-CI/2-CE?
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Re: 4-AcO-DMT vs Mushrooms [Re: Janamil]
#14381943 - 05/01/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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makes sense. I have hypoglycemia, and a hyper fast metabolism.
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GrandfatheredInn said: Is it similar to 5-MeO-DMT or 2-CI/2-CE?
it has a couple of the same letters in the name, otherwise... They are all different!
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